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seriously?

I’d trade Ayton for KAT in a heart beat.

Rubio, Oubre and Saric could all be upgraded. This team sucks in case you haven’t noticed.

I have noticed. But Ayton for KAT isn't happening (and by the way I would support that trade as well).

Saric is gone at the end of the year (thank God), but there is nobody out there to replace him, except in the draft...unless we make a play for someone like Aaron Gordon.

Oubre is likely gone after next year.

And warts and all, we are stuck with Rubio and his $17 million a year contract.

What you are proposing as our biggest need is a scorer, and now you are saying a starter. To me, by far the most obvious candidate for an upgrade is Saric, but please note that this team also needs someone to defend other than Bridges and Ayton, someone to rebound other than Ayton, and someone to rim protect other than...nobody...

And Luke freaking Kennard would solve this problem...HOW?!?!?
 

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Second round picks again prove they have trade value in Sixers trade. Need to have room to absorb the contracts though.
 

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Problem is that Sarver will never hire that kind of GM because he doesn’t want anyone standing up to him.
That's why I'm hoping that his buddy, Larry Fitzgerald, will knock some sense into his head, now that he has the title of part-owner.

I am not going to give up on that idea until we see the same old-same old. That is not by choice. We have no other choice, as you posted.
 

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That's why I'm hoping that his buddy, Larry Fitzgerald, will knock some sense into his head, now that he has the title of part-owner.

I am not going to give up on that idea until we see the same old-same old. That is not by choice. We have no other choice, as you posted.

We ARE seeing the same old-same old...
 

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I get that. If we are giving up our first round pick, use it on a starter. We can get a sixth man without using our first round pick. Just reading the scouting report on Kennard, and then reading we may have been using our first round pick to do it, I could GM that way.

Ok, how do we do acquire a good scoring Sixth Man then? You say that like there is a deal waiting to take place but almost all of the deals happening right now involve 1st round picks, whether starters are involved or not. If a Sixth Man were available some other way, why hasn't that happened? Word is that the 1st rounder in the Kennard deal is what held things up because Okobo and Carter weren't enough on their own. It's not like the Suns have a lot of other young pieces that will bring back a return. So again, how do they acquire a Sixth man without parting with a 1st round pick?
 
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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn

Sixers are working on additional trades to create roster spots needed to add Burks and Robinson III, league sources tell ESPN. Without a deal before the 3 PM ET deadline, Philadelphia will have to waive two players.

9:56 PM - 5 Feb 2020
 

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Derozan or DLO. I think both can realistically be had for the right price.

And what would you propose they do with Oubre, Bridges and Rubio in that scenario?

(BTW, I am all for getting DLo, and I was the first on the board to propose acquiring him from the Warriors, though I also acknowledged that it would require somehow flipping Rubio either directly in the deal or elsewhere for a power forward. At this point, since Towns isn't going anywhere, I think that at this point acquiring DLo is our only hope for keeping Booker.)
 

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Makes sense, since I don't believe there is a single free agent actually willing to switch teams who is worth more than that.

So, the Suns have accumulated $26 million in cap space to spend...on nothing...

Like... a week ago you were frothing at the mouth, arguing we had no cap space, now you're quoting more than the figure you went to war with me over.

Ibaka, Gallinari, Favors, Millsap (as a stopgap), Portis, all will be on the market. All would represent an upgrade at forward, all could be easily had with our space and probably on short term deals.

There is not a star player to be had but there are plenty value signings, especially in a buyers market.
 

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Like... a week ago you were frothing at the mouth, arguing we had no cap space, now you're quoting more than the figure you went to war with me over.

Ibaka, Gallinari, Favors, Millsap (as a stopgap), Portis, all will be on the market. All would represent an upgrade at forward, all could be easily had with our space and probably on short term deals.

There is not a star player to be had but there are plenty value signings, especially in a buyers market.
Jerami Grant is another interesting name at the PF position that should hit the market (player option). Could be a nice 1-2 punch if we can pair him with a young PF from the draft (assuming we keep our pick).
 

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Ja Morant is the kind of talented, exciting player than can alter the course of a franchise.
It makes our drop down to #6 in the draft despite arguably the worst season in Suns history that much more depressing.
 

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they also play hard af night in and night out.

They always have. That's part of establishing a culture. It will take time for the Suns to instill anything close to what Memphis has. Even when the Grizzlies sucked last year, it's hard not to think of them as the grit and grind Grizzlies.

If the Suns really want to change their culture they need to do more than they have already. Bringing in Monty was a good step and has helped on the court but they need to do more to change how they're viewed, sooner than later. They need a complete facelift, new logo, new court, and probably new color scheme. The Diamondbacks did it years back, that should show them that fans here can handle it.

There is a whole generation now that doesn't know what it's like to see the Suns as a successful organization, by any measure. Showing them the Nash years just shows them how little has changed. The court is essentially the same, so is the logo, and the jerseys are pretty similar. Everything looks like they're trying to be what they were over a decade ago and even that wasn't that great. Carve a new path completely.

Don't let people see the Suns and be given visual cues at what they were. Best case scenario is people will be reminded of the run & gun Suns of years past and that does no favors for a team like they're currently trying to build, the team we saw that started the season. That was a team that fought for stops and didn't give an inch. It was vastly different than any Suns team in the past. It didn't matter if the shots weren't falling because their defense kept teams from gaining any momentum.
 
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Derozan or DLO. I think both can realistically be had for the right price.

Of the two I probably like Russell because he is young and can spread the court with his shooting. Also he could grow with the Suns young core. This does not solve the Suns defensive woes but at least they would score consistently.
 
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It's interesting that a player like Gallinari can get a contract extension before being traded.

If so, the Suns should have had more interest in expiring contracts. Of course maybe the player has to want to play there.
 

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If the Suns aren't at least calling about DLo and Kat, they they are not doing their jobs. I don't care what people say about the perfect fit of those players, or thats it unrealistic (which I know it probably is)...this team SUCKS, and has sucked for a decade. To act like "we could have looked in to those players, but we chose not to" is a slap in the face to fans.

You call Minny and say Ayton, Tyler Johnson and 2 unprotected 1st rounds picks for Kat....how close are we? And you let them come back with an answer? Unless their answer is "we will not trade Kat for anything", then you make it work.

You call Golden State and say Kelly, any player you want not named Booker, and picks for D-Lo...how close are we?

I know I'm ranting and this things are unrealistic, but I absolutely cannot stand a team as bad as the Suns, who look like hot garbage on a nightly basis, putting out the attitude of "We decided we didn't want D-Lo or Kat". Who the heck do you think you are!! I don't care if you end up with 5 Guards in the starting lineup, you should be looking for talented basketball players anywhere you can find them! You are not in a position to be choosy. AND...this idea that the suns will one day magically attract an all-star free agent is the biggest load of crap in the last 20 years of AZ sports. NO ONE is coming.
 
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I think Russell is the most obtainable and realistic. I'd trade an unprotected 2021 pick for him plus expiring contracts. They might want more but it's a starting point.

Ayton can be more than KAT.
 

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Name one person on here who doesn’t think that Power Forward is the biggest need on the team? But just because that is our #1 need doesn’t mean that we should just ignore all of our other needs.

I think they need a franchise PG more.


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If the Suns aren't at least calling about DLo and Kat, they they are not doing their jobs. I don't care what people say about the perfect fit of those players, or thats it unrealistic (which I know it probably is)...this team SUCKS, and has sucked for a decade. To act like "we could have looked in to those players, but we chose not to" is a slap in the face to fans.

You call Minny and say Ayton, Tyler Johnson and 2 unprotected 1st rounds picks for Kat....how close are we? And you let them come back with an answer? Unless their answer is "we will not trade Kat for anything", then you make it work.
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We have no bench and are going to struggle to bring in free agents, yet, the solution is to give away not only our second best player who’s 21 years old, but also TWO unprotected picks in the process?? That’s two opportunities to get a significant playmaker for this team that it wouldn’t get in free agency

In addition, you inherit KAT’s albatross contract, which further hinders your ability to add depth to the roster.

Moreover, is KAT even worth sacrificing your franchise to acquire? In the end, you get a player who’s unathletic and lazy on defense.

The reality is, if KAT is better than Ayton, it’s not by much, and unquestionably not two unprotected firsts better than him. I get that fans are looking for instant results, but KAT’s not the solution to our problems.
 
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A tidbit that could be important down the line.

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