new uni's and helmets

[Djaughe]

Copper...Copper....Copper...

:runsfromroom:

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Copper...Copper....Copper...

:runsfromroom:

NO...NO...NO...

Always ready to rebuke copper!

 

[vini]

once again i love this helmet

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[BigRedMO]

There is no copper in the logo. So why would they choose to heavily use copper? The Patriots face in their logo matches the helmet color. I do not think it will happen. If that was the intention it would have been included in the logo. The new logo uses the same colors as the old logo. So logically uniform will use same colors.

The Cards logo has 4 colors (red, black, yellow and white). Those are the teams official colors. Many teams logos dont have that many colors. Because there are already so many colors in the logo I dont see them adding another to the uniform scheme. I think red, white, black and yellow are the choices for the uniform.

There is too much tradition in the colors for Bidwill to change them. They go back to his dad or uncle (not sure which) owning the team. That would be like him turning his back on them. Not going to happen.

 

[coloradosun]

There is no copper in the logo. So why would they choose to heavily use copper? The Patriots face in their logo matches the helmet color. I do not think it will happen. If that was the intention it would have been included in the logo. The new logo uses the same colors as the old logo. So logically uniform will use same colors.

The Cards logo has 4 colors (red, black, yellow and white). Those are the teams official colors. Many teams logos dont have that many colors. Because there are already so many colors in the logo I dont see them adding another to the uniform scheme. I think red, white, black and yellow are the choices for the uniform.

There is too much tradition in the colors for Bidwill to change them. They go back to his dad or uncle (not sure which) owning the team. That would be like him turning his back on them. Not going to happen.

I believe az-red's by line (signature) has the history of the Cardinals uniform and the original uniforms had bronze pants. So there is a history of a muted form of copper in the evolution of the teams colors. Go to one of his posts to see the changes.

As far as the NE, TB and Philly. Both the Pats and Bucs went from white helmets to metallic silver and pewter, respectively. The Eagles went from silver to Gunmetal green. I would hope the Cardinals do the same, get away from the white and go to a Cardinal helmet just as the Eagles did in moving to the primary team color.

 

[TruColor]

I believe az-red's by line (signature) has the history of the Cardinals uniform and the original uniforms had bronze pants. So there is a history of a muted form of copper in the evolution of the teams colors. Go to one of his posts to see the changes.

As far as the NE, TB and Philly. Both the Pats and Bucs went from white helmets to metallic silver and pewter, respectively. The Eagles went from silver to Gunmetal green. I would hope the Cardinals do the same, get away from the white and go to a Cardinal helmet just as the Eagles did in moving to the primary team color.

In the early days of the NFL, all teams used Khaki colored pants. They weren't bronze. In 1994, the Cardinals wore Khaki-colored pants to symbolize that era.

Just a nit-picky thing: the Eagles went from Kelly Green helmets to Midnight Green helmets in 1996. The Eagles have never worn Silver helmets.

And...the Cardinals went from a stark-White helmet to a Metallic White finish about two seasons ago.

 

[Scott MS]

And...the Cardinals went from a stark-White helmet to a Metallic White finish about two seasons ago.

Not to nitpick, but I thought that the change to metallic white was around 2000.

 

[BigRedMO]

The Cardinals wearing khaki pants is too remote in time to be considerd traditional. They used to wear leather helmets and no logos too. If they were going to go to copper why isnt it in their logo? I also never recall the Eagles wearing silver helmets.

 

[TruColor]

Not to nitpick, but I thought that the change to metallic white was around 2000.

Could be. I should know this, given my website and all, but the helmet gurus will know.

 

[TruColor]

All the rumors I'm hearing is that Copper is NOT going to be a part of the color-scheme. At least on the helmets. But, I don't know this for sure.

Oh, and there are plenty of examples of colors that aren't in the teams' primary logo:

Buffalo Bills (logo is Royal Blue and Red, yet no Dark Navy Blue or Nickel)
Kansas City Chiefs (no Gold)
New York Giants (Gray is an official color, but it's only present in the pants and the facemask)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (no Pewter in the logo, although there's Metallic Silver in the logo in place of the Pewter)

 

[BigRedMO]

If you just went to the trouble to redesign your logo and you wanted to include copper as a new color why wouldnt you include it in the logo? I just cant see it being used in large amounts if not in the logo. I have seen suggestions where almost whole uniform is copper. I just dont see that happening. If you had not redesigned the logo I could see adding a color into the uniform that is not in the logo. The fact that the logo uses the same colors as the old one would lead me to bet the farm those are the colors you will see on a uniform.

 

[TruColor]

Those teams typically dont have as many colors in the logo. The Chiefs have three colors. Red, white and black.

Yeah - Red, White and Black. In the logo. Red, Gold and White in the uniforms.

Black in the logo, not in the uniforms. Gold in the uniforms, not in the logo. They're next on my "hit list"...

 

[BigRedMO]

If you look at the history of the uniforms worn by the Cards to my knowledge they are all a combination of Cardinal red, white and black with the exception of the khaki pants. Some said that was like white pants in that era. I dont know if it is true or not. That said based on over 100 years of history look for Cardinal red, black and white. To expect a change from those colors would be like expecting the Bears to drop navy blue, orange and white or the Packers to drop yellow, green and white.

I now do recall seeing old film footage of the Eagles with white helmets, not silver, and green wings. They realized if the helmet is light the logo needs to be dark and vice versa for the logo to stand out.

 

[coloradosun]

I stand corrected, I did skip a generation and had the wrong color with the Eagles helmets.

If what the Bidwells said is that they needed to get the logo out because some the icons were going into the stadium that was sooner or latter it was going to be exposed. And for integrity of the authenticity of an actual cardinal, they wanted to keep the birds colors to scheme, not like the eagles who only have a representation of an eagle. As far as I know bald eagles don't have any silver feathers.

In regards to the uniforms, they stated there is still some tweeking going on. My issue with white helmets are that they look like the plastic one's I had as a kid and only look good on road uniforms when the jersey is white.

 

[Scott MS]

If you just went to the trouble to redesign your logo and you wanted to include copper as a new color why wouldnt you include it in the logo? I just cant see it being used in large amounts if not in the logo. I have seen suggestions where almost whole uniform is copper. I just dont see that happening. If you had not redesigned the logo I could see adding a color into the uniform that is not in the logo. The fact that the logo uses the same colors as the old one would lead me to bet the farm those are the colors you will see on a uniform.

I agree with you. I think Copper is out, or maybe they would have put a Copper border around the bird, or a Copper beak, or something like that.

I think you'll see red, black, and white unis with some yellow/gold trim on them. I suppose that would be similar color schemes as the Redskins or Chiefs, but not exactly the same. Both Redskins and Chiefs still have the "classic" striped sleeves. Cards may be the first with a modern design in these colors.

 

[vini]

maybe there will be a variation of the old khaki pants with more of a so-called sand color. that might be sweeeeeetttt

 

[BigRedMO]

My guess is the uniform will be Falcon-Broncoesque.

White helmet no stripes with red jersey that has black sleeves with Cardinal logo on the sleeves and a black stripe down the sides of the jersey. The pants will be white with red and black stripes down the seam. Numbers will be white outlined in black. White socks with red stripe several inches wide at the top. Road will be white helmet no stripes with white jersey with black or red sleeves along with corresponding color stripe down the side of the jersey. Logo on the sleeves. Pants will be red with black and white stripes down the seam. Numbers will be red outlined in black or black outlined in red. White socks with black stripe several inches wide at the top. I am not really into face mask color so no opinion there.

If I was building that new stadium I would put any Cardinal logos or names on with velcro. If several years from now Bidwill has not turned it around and attendance is 15-20 thousand then he might bolt for another market.

 

[azdad1978]

If I was building that new stadium I would put any Cardinal logos or names on with velcro. If several years from now Bidwill has not turned it around and attendance is 15-20 thousand then he might bolt for another market.

Why would Bidwill bolt for another City considering he has the sweetheart deal with the new stadiums. He will pocket the parking,naming rights and I don't know what else he got when prop 302 passed. Beside if this team hasn't turned around who will give him another new stadium?

 

[BigRedMO]

There will at least in the owners mind allways be greener pastures. The law of supply and demand with limited number of NFL teams. If the team loses for another 10-20 years there is no way attendance wont drop off. If that happens there will always be another city thinking that their city will be the one to turn the Cards around and they will offer a sweet deal. Any owner would find it convenient to blame the teams troubles on lack of fan support and be looking for a city that would support the team. There are no guarantees. Nothing is forever. You fool yourself if you think the Cards or any other NFL team could not move in the future. There was a time when the Cards were very popular in STL and there was absolutely no talk of the team ever leaving. Attendance in AZ is last in the league at only 35,000 or so a game. That has to pick up if the team is to stay in AZ. Winning will be the only way to increase fan support.

I hope it does not happen to the Cards or any other team. It is hard on the fans.

 

[Scott MS]

Clearly the Cards problems are due to them not putting a winning team on the field. I posted some attendance figures a few months back and the highest attendance in the last few years was -- 1999, the year after they went to the playoffs.

Unfortunately, nobody wants to see a losing team and how do you get NEW fans (not talking about us) to show up to games? They have to want to cheer for the Cardinals. Put a competitive team on the field and people will come. Part of the problem is the last several years of losing.

Of course, the stadium is also an issue. New stadium, competitive team -- people should come out.

 

[coloradosun]

maybe there will be a variation of the old khaki pants with more of a so-called sand color. that might be sweeeeeetttt

I agree. Metallic Bronze. Copper is a tough color to match with Cardinal.

 

[TruColor]

Trying to differentiate between colors by using descriptive names is really subjective. This is partially why I care so much about Pantone colors. Most times, "Metallic Bronze" and "Copper" can mean the same thing (876 C). "Sand", on the other hand, can be loosely defined as a non-metallic Beige to Tan.

I wish I could do HTML on this board; I could visually provide some examples of what I mean...with my site down until the 24th of this month, you'll just have to trust me (!)...

 

[coloradosun]

Trying to differentiate between colors by using descriptive names is really subjective. This is partially why I care so much about Pantone colors. Most times, "Metallic Bronze" and "Copper" can mean the same thing (876 C). "Sand", on the other hand, can be loosely defined as a non-metallic Beige to Tan.

I wish I could do HTML on this board; I could visually provide some examples of what I mean...with my site down until the 24th of this month, you'll just have to trust me (!)...

I am familar with Pantone colors but they never match thread colors. Once you get a tone on the chart it never matches how it looks in the actual fabric or thread. The Pewter in the Bucs pants or helmets can never be matched with a pantone.

That's why I am refering to Metallic Bronze referring to how it will look in a spandex fabric.

 

[TruColor]

I am familar with Pantone colors but they never match thread colors. Once you get a tone on the chart it never matches how it looks in the actual fabric or thread. The Pewter in the Bucs pants or helmets can never be matched with a pantone.

That's why I am refering to Metallic Bronze referring to how it will look in a spandex fabric.

Actually, the NFL specifies Pantone Textile colors (along with solid colors for print and custom process colors) for all of the colors used by the teams. Other leagues specify Robison-Anton, Madeira, and/or Marathon thread colors as well (and often list Liebe or Stahl's twill colors), and they all can be matched fairly accurately with Pantone solid colors (coated, usually).

Metallics are harder; although most of the thread manufacturers have metallic sets as well. Pantone Textiles (cotton or paper - all 1,900+ of them) however are usually flat colors.

In fact, the Pantone Textile that the Buccaneers use for their Pewter is called "Major Brown"...

 

[coloradosun]

In fact, the Pantone Textile that the Buccaneers use for their Pewter is called "Major Brown"...

So the Cardinals should use "Minor Brown".