Nice Try Owners.

[slanidrac16]

So the Owner's announce THEY have voted to ratify athe new CBA, camps open on Saturday and the new season will start on Wednesday July 27th as long as the players re-certify as a union by then or else the new cba will remain the same as the last CBA.

WHAT?

The player's have not even seen a full document of the "new" CBA. The Owner's are way out of line here.

What should have been said was ," The Owner's have agreed in principle to a new CBA. The season will commence pending player's approval and recertification. Thank You."

To me this is the Owner's way of tilting public approval to their side and to put pressure on the NFLPA. They are trying to shove an agreement down the players throat and make the player's look like the bad guys.

It ain't going to work like this. Don't go buying your season tickets and NFL Ticket just yet.

 

[Buckybird]

So the Owner's announce THEY have voted to ratify athe new CBA, camps open on Saturday and the new season will start on Wednesday July 27th as long as the players re-certify as a union by then or else the new cba will remain the same as the last CBA.

WHAT?

The player's have not even seen a full document of the "new" CBA. The Owner's are way out of line here.

I'm quit sure the players & DeMaurass Smith & the owners had pretty much come to an agreement on 99% of the issues. I really find it hard to believe the owners would have ratified an agreement without thinking they had a deal.

Instead the players & their leader dont seem to be willing to re-certify or give up on issues for damages of collusion & a few others. But they want to play football for the fans...yeah right!!!

 

[Stout]

Baloney. Numerous player reps have admitted that their side has received the document, but they just haven't had the 'time' to review the details. This is a stall tactic by the players to prove that it took them lots of deliberation and work to recertify, so that they can pull the out and out sham of decertifying again in ten years. Nothing more, nothing less. And it is complete crap.

 

[PDXChris]

Baloney. Numerous player reps have admitted that their side has received the document, but they just haven't had the 'time' to review the details. This is a stall tactic by the players to prove that it took them lots of deliberation and work to recertify, so that they can pull the out and out sham of decertifying again in ten years. Nothing more, nothing less. And it is complete crap.

This

 

[Mulli]

Who cares? What is one day? Let them take a day now so they can't complain later.

 

[slanidrac16]

Baloney. Numerous player reps have admitted that their side has received the document, but they just haven't had the 'time' to review the details. This is a stall tactic by the players to prove that it took them lots of deliberation and work to recertify, so that they can pull the out and out sham of decertifying again in ten years. Nothing more, nothing less. And it is complete crap.

Really?

Then why do the player's have to recertify? Why don't they just let it stand the way it is and be independent contractors?
Why. Because the Owner's NEED them to recertify for antitrust laws. And how can the Owner's make a statement that " The player's must recertify by July 27th or the rules of the old CBA will be put in place for the next 10 years".

The only thing I am accusing the Owner's of is a PR tactic. You can't announce you have an agreement in place and the league will start up Saturday or anything else providing the NFLPA recertifies "or else", when the other party hasn't voted on it yet.

The Owner's jump the gun and I hope it doesn't backfire.

 

[Stout]

Who cares? What is one day? Let them take a day now so they can't complain later.

Because it really sounds like this is going to take much longer than one day.

Really?

Then why do the player's have to recertify? Why don't they just let it stand the way it is and be independent contractors?
Why. Because the Owner's NEED them to recertify for antitrust laws. And how can the Owner's make a statement that " The player's must recertify by July 27th or the rules of the old CBA will be put in place for the next 10 years".

The only thing I am accusing the Owner's of is a PR tactic. You can't announce you have an agreement in place and the league will start up Saturday or anything else providing the NFLPA recertifies "or else", when the other party hasn't voted on it yet.

The Owner's jump the gun and I hope it doesn't backfire.

Because any CBA is contingent on them recertifying as a union, and it has been all along. If they aren't a certified union, they cannot agree on a CBA. Collective bargaining happens with unions. Otherwise, each individual player works on terms agreed between that player, the team and the league.

Besides, almost everyone, including most of the players that have spoken out, admit that the NFLPA actually has the deal and has agreed in principle, but that they need to take time to review it. Uh, duh, they have CLEARLY had plenty of time to do that. If you can't look over a contract, with a team of legal advisers and union (yeah, still a union--I'm sayin' that) leadership, in a whole day, then you're a gibbering moron. It's a BS excuse and the players are way out of line.

The owners are saying that they are done with the quibbling, that they've already agreed to this deal and that they aren't going to let the players wriggle and wrangle and make the receertification look good. They're saying 'do the deal that we agreed to NOW, or it is OFF the table'. And I applaud them for it.

 

[Billy Bob]

It's all about the anti-trust suit, they cant recertify until thats settled.

 

[40yearfan]

It's all about the anti-trust suit, they cant recertify until thats settled.

They can drop it and then recertify. No reason to have an anti-trust suit if you have an agreement in place.

 

[Billy Bob]

They can drop it and then recertify. No reason to have an anti-trust suit if you have an agreement in place.

what D.Smith said, every time he metioned recertifing he said the owners need to settle the suits , this was before the confrence call...... Greed!

 

[40yearfan]

what D.Smith said, every time he metioned recertifing he said the owners need to settle the suits , this was before the confrence call...... Greed!

I can guarantee you the owners won't agree to anything as long as there are still suits hanging around.

 

[oaken1]

Really?

Then why do the player's have to recertify? Why don't they just let it stand the way it is and be independent contractors?
Why. Because the Owner's NEED them to recertify for antitrust laws. And how can the Owner's make a statement that " The player's must recertify by July 27th or the rules of the old CBA will be put in place for the next 10 years".

The only thing I am accusing the Owner's of is a PR tactic. You can't announce you have an agreement in place and the league will start up Saturday or anything else providing the NFLPA recertifies "or else", when the other party hasn't voted on it yet.

The Owner's jump the gun and I hope it doesn't backfire.

It is likely to get the players, and player reps, to put pressure on those individuals who still want to get paid from their lawsuit....they have to close those suits before the union can re-certify.
Those few players who just gotsta gets theirs can ruin it for everybody.

 

[Billy Bob]

I can guarantee you the owners won't agree to anything as long as there are still suits hanging around.

I agree

 

[Evil Ash]

Really?

Then why do the player's have to recertify? Why don't they just let it stand the way it is and be independent contractors?
Why. Because the Owner's NEED them to recertify for antitrust laws. And how can the Owner's make a statement that " The player's must recertify by July 27th or the rules of the old CBA will be put in place for the next 10 years".

The only thing I am accusing the Owner's of is a PR tactic. You can't announce you have an agreement in place and the league will start up Saturday or anything else providing the NFLPA recertifies "or else", when the other party hasn't voted on it yet.

The Owner's jump the gun and I hope it doesn't backfire.

There are some minor issues that remain that can only be resolved when the league re-certifies (new drug testing, benefits). Its a legal and a protocol issue mostly.

This was all agreed upon - you can't ratify an agreement unless there's an agreement.

The NFLPA is now trying to figure out how to re-certify in a legal manner and whether or not to force the issue of having an "out" clause in 7 years

 

[NJCardFan]

So the Owner's announce THEY have voted to ratify athe new CBA, camps open on Saturday and the new season will start on Wednesday July 27th as long as the players re-certify as a union by then or else the new cba will remain the same as the last CBA.

WHAT?

The player's have not even seen a full document of the "new" CBA. The Owner's are way out of line here.

What should have been said was ," The Owner's have agreed in principle to a new CBA. The season will commence pending player's approval and recertification. Thank You."

To me this is the Owner's way of tilting public approval to their side and to put pressure on the NFLPA. They are trying to shove an agreement down the players throat and make the player's look like the bad guys.

It ain't going to work like this. Don't go buying your season tickets and NFL Ticket just yet.

Um, I'm quite sure the owners weren't sitting at the table by themselves. The players have been represented. IMO, the players are looking bad here. If I were the owners I'd open camps up.

 

[Big Deal]

Really?

Then why do the player's have to recertify? Why don't they just let it stand the way it is and be independent contractors?
Why. Because the Owner's NEED them to recertify for antitrust laws. And how can the Owner's make a statement that " The player's must recertify by July 27th or the rules of the old CBA will be put in place for the next 10 years".

The only thing I am accusing the Owner's of is a PR tactic. You can't announce you have an agreement in place and the league will start up Saturday or anything else providing the NFLPA recertifies "or else", when the other party hasn't voted on it yet.

The Owner's jump the gun and I hope it doesn't backfire.

Really? So the owners negotiated with themselves, then signed the agreement, then ratified their one sided agreement? Doesn't work like that, this is player spin, the deal is done, they just want to get the extra nut, to give them leverage on one of the final negotiating points.

 

[wierwolf]

am i wrong but the reason for the push in the first place was the judge was going on vacation and wanted to see if they could get something done so didnt have to wait...

 

[ajcardfan]

Are we sure we really want a season at all? This is all so EXCITING!

 

[Shane]

I don't think I have ever seen a more off base thread EVER!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I agree!

The player reps have been negotiating for 8 weeks and the players haven't seen "the document"

This is clearly the owners fault. I mean 5 days to sign "the document"? Do you realize how long it is going to take these guys to get "the document" to each player?

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If only there was some sort of magical way to transport documents in an instant anywhere.

The players should have hired this guy to help.

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One EMAILUS FAXICUS spell and these guys could read "the document" tonight and vote tomorrow.

As is, guys in California may never get "the document" at all if the Injuns have anything to say about it.

Those damn Injuns and their hatred of the Pony Express

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[Shane]

I agree!

The player reps have been negotiating for 8 weeks and the players haven't seen "the document"

This is clearly the owners fault. I mean 5 days to sign "the document"? Do you realize how long it is going to take these guys to get "the document" to each player?

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If only there was some sort of magical way to transport documents in an
instant anywhere.

The players should have hired this guy to help.

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One EMAILUS FAXICUS spell and these guys could read "the document" tonight and vote tomorrow.

As is, guys in California may never get "the document" at all if the Injuns have anything to say about it.

Pretty irrelevant. Guarantee 80% of the players wouldn't have a clue what they are reading anyway. That why they have a negotiating team looking out for there interests that is there every step of the way and can decipher all the legal BS.

Been through four collective bargaining agreements in last 15 years and before we ever voted to ratify we were never given all the fine print and asked to read it. Not even feasible.

A negotiating rep would come to a briefing give us all the highlights on what matters and then we would vote. Even less feasible for 2000 players spread across entire country.

Conference call to hit all the high points and move on. Do you even realize how long that would take? Do you know how Lon it would take some of these guys to even read the agreement?

Owners werent negotiating with themselves through this. Don't buy what you and players are selling at all.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

LMAO I was being snarky. The players are crying they haven't "read it"

 

[Shane]

LMAO I was being snarky. The players are crying they haven't "read it"

Oh **** my bad. Lol shoulda known!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Oh **** my bad. Lol shoulda known!

I literally just listened to a player on the radio saying "We haven't reviewed the document so we can't vote"

I am thinking "WTF did they send it via the US Post Office?"

 

[The Commish]

OP must be a union employee