Niners Vs. Arizona by position

[cardsfanmd]

A.Peterson had his two worst games against us.

Let me preface this by saying that you are currently my favorite visiting fan. Don't leave the board.

Moving right along, Adrian Peterson had the worst game of his career against us. Playing against your great run-stuffing line last year he had 85 yards on 19 carries and a 4.5 per carry average. Against us on MNF he had 13 carries for 19 yards and a 1.5 ypc average

http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/gamelogs?id=PET260705

 

[az1965]

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

One word: Potential!

and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

I will make this one easy... Yours!

 

[cardsfanmd]

And trust me, the Cheerleaders aren't even debatable... come to a game and you'll see what I mean.

Unfair comparison. In SF they ;look for different qualities in their cheerleaders... like strong hands and Adam's apples


"GO NINERS!!!!!!!!"

 

[49erTroll]

LOL.

Yeah, call the Cardinals in Scottsdale, tell them to cancel the season. The facts are out, and we are screwed.

The Niners are improving, and there is no doubt they are the biggest threat to our NFC West defense in 2010.

But we will see.

BTW, You forgot to compare coaching staffs as well.

I called them and they said to eff off....so cant say I didnt try.

I did provide an analysis of the coaching staff when it was brought up Its on pg 3

 

[Longcolts]

I called them and they said to eff off....so cant say I didnt try.

I did provide an analysis of the coaching staff when it was brought up Its on pg 3

Those are not analysis of opposing coaching staffs. One article is nothing more than a fan vote for 1 particular week and the other is nothing more than a discussion about CoY honors in which your HC wasn't even mentioned.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

Here's where we are better:

Your assessments are myopic but I'll tell you what I think.

Our coach is 100x better
Our homefield is better
We have actually finished over .500 this decade,
Our RB's are better (Yes Beanie will have a better year then Gore - hes always injured and not the same player he was in 2008 and Coffee cant touch Hightower),
Your OL may have four first round picks (Hey how is the 2005 NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK going for ya?) but it was terrible last year and IMO you added two busts to the line. Conversely ours started a Super Bowl two years ago.
Your WR's aren't even on the same planet
Your DLine isnt better by stats, name recognition, or here in our universe and LOL no one in your secondary would start on this team.

But other then that you are spot on

You losers have one year where you finish below us but managed to win two games against us (after we went 2-0 the year prior AND TO THE SUPER BOWL) and you get all uppity because your excited about your 8-8 season.

Get a GM and then come talk to us. You guys are finishing behind us AGAIN. But this years going to hurt more then the two previous as we will do it with Matt this time. Fraking jokes.

 

[49erTroll]

Davis is no where near the best tight end in the league. I would take Health Miller over Davis any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Patrick Willis IS the best linebacker in the league by a long shot tho. I don't have too much faith in Singletary as a head coach, but it would be crazy to not think he is turning Willis into a beast through his coaching, and knowledge of the position.

Good thread tho. Nice to stir up the board a little bit on a lazy post-draft weekday.

Thanks, I cant post on my own board, to many homers and to sensible
Ex. " Man, Alex Smith better do good this year its his last shot"
A: "Yeah totally its his last chance but we should be fine, we have frank the tank!"

Its funner to get told your an idiot than to be told your right....I already know that

As far as being the best I believe Davis is ranked #2 behind Clark and Heath is ranked #8 but if you think about it Clark is playing on one of the best passing offenses in the league. Davis is not. Davis also has more ypc as well as touchdowns oh and did I mention hes a great blocker with incredible speed and strength.

So maybe I exxagerated a lil...but he still better than what you got.

As far as singletary goes...you do realize we beat you twice right? And the fact that the team has just added great depth to a top 10 D and filled in our holes on O-line by grabbing the Iupati and Davis ....I guess that has nothing to do with singletary. The fact that V.D. used to be a primma donna and now hes singletarys biggest supporter says something. Ive heard him speak publicly twice and I walked away feeling good both times. I cant imagine the effect he has on a locker room.

 

[49erTroll]

Those are not analysis of opposing coaching staffs. One article is nothing more than a fan vote for 1 particular week and the other is nothing more than a discussion about CoY honors in which your HC wasn't even mentioned.

He has been a head coach for one year.

Not much to say other than he has us on the right track and many analyst have a soft spot for him. Probably cause of his playing days. Little known fact-he a professional inspirational speaker, before coaching he would go around and get paid to do it. He was an in depth knowledge for the game of football. Has managed to pull us from the bottom of the NFC and make us a contender. Does that make him better than the WIZ?? uh no. The wiz is great and you should good to have him as coach.

I love singletary though.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Thanks, I cant post on my own board, to many homers and to sensible
Ex. " Man, Alex Smith better do good this year its his last shot"
A: "Yeah totally its his last chance but we should be fine, we have frank the tank!"

Its funner to get told your an idiot than to be told your right....I already know that

As far as being the best I believe Davis is ranked #2 behind Clark and Heath is ranked #8 but if you think about it Clark is playing on one of the best passing offenses in the league. Davis is not. Davis also has more ypc as well as touchdowns oh and did I mention hes a great blocker with incredible speed and strength.

So maybe I exxagerated a lil...but he still better than what you got.

As far as singletary goes...you do realize we beat you twice right? And the fact that the team has just added great depth to a top 10 D and filled in our holes on O-line by grabbing the Iupati and Davis ....I guess that has nothing to do with singletary. The fact that V.D. used to be a primma donna and now hes singletarys biggest supporter says something. Ive heard him speak publicly twice and I walked away feeling good both times. I cant imagine the effect he has on a locker room.

The game is played on the field, and until then you haven't filled anything.

There are issues of character and dedication around Davis, and Iupati was an absolute "holding" machine throughout Senior Bowl and Combine.

They maybe answers to your problems in year's to come, but in 2010... THEY GO TO SCHOOL with the big boys!

 

[49erTroll]

Here's where we are better:

Your assessments are myopic but I'll tell you what I think.

Our coach is 100x better (interesting, considerin he couldnt beat a rookie headcoach with the best WR tandem in the league and a future HOF QB)
Our homefield is better (god yes! but then again we could play in the park and we would keep on beating you.)
We have actually finished over .500 this decade, (Ouch!Not to far from the truth but Im pretty sure you dont want to play who has the better history game! im just saying)
Our RB's are better (Yes Beanie will have a better year then Gore - hes always injured and not the same player he was in 2008 and Coffee cant touch Hightower), (now you havent been the only fan guilty of this but in alarming numbers ARZ fans keep saying hes better than Gore. Yet he has never ever done anything near what gore has done. SO LETS STOP HUH. I dont call crabtree better than FItz becuase "hes a rookie, tremedous upside blah blah blah...." YOU have what you have and just because he was hurt and you " feel" that hes better doesnt make it so. Numbers dont lie and If you go to any other board and repeat what you just said theyll laugh at you.
Your OL may have four first round picks (Hey how is the 2005 NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK going for ya?) but it was terrible last year and IMO you added two busts to the line. Conversely ours started a Super Bowl two years ago. ( I didnt realise your an NFL scout Ill let them know they shouldnt sign the best gaurd in the draft becuase hes gonna bust...You cant seriously what you spew right. Take a note from some of your cardinal brothers and formulate an opinion based on something solid instead of typing just to type.)
Your WR's aren't even on the same planet ( You must not of heard of crabtree) remember his name. Fitz is better by far...today)
Your DLine isnt better by stats, name recognition, or here in our universe and LOL no one in your secondary would start on this team. (Wrong, wrong, wrong...since you are spewing pure opinion and provided NO stats to back up it up I can tell you to go and do some more research cause Smith has more tackles and the most pressures in the league and condidered the best 3-4 d-end in the league. Abroyo Franklin Is FAR than what you have now...so all you have thats better is 1 of 3. YOU LOSE.

But other then that you are spot on

You losers have one year where you finish below us but managed to win two games against us (after we went 2-0 the year prior AND TO THE SUPER BOWL) and you get all uppity because your excited about your 8-8 season.

Get a GM and then come talk to us.(Dont need one to beat you) You guys are finishing behind us AGAIN. But this years going to hurt more then the two previous as we will do it with Matt this time. Fraking jokes.

Wow you ARZ fans are a naive bunch. As I started typing I began wondering why I even reponded to this drivvle. Silly me.

 

[49erTroll]

The game is played on the field, and until then you haven't filled anything.

There are issues of character and dedication around Davis, and Iupati was an absolute "holding" machine throughout Senior Bowl and Combine.

They maybe answers to your problems in year's to come, but in 2010... THEY GO TO SCHOOL with the big boys!

Your absolutley right. 100%

With them we were decent and we beat yall twice and havent lost any body and considering first round gaurds have the highest turnover rate Im feeling pretty confident.

 

[Mulli]

Your absolutley right. 100%

With them we were decent and we beat yall twice and havent lost any body and considering first round gaurds have the highest turnover rate Im feeling pretty confident.

So, based on the high turner rate, the new first round guard will likely be replaced after a year or two?

 

[49erTroll]

Well you are trying to convince us I guess! Everything on your team is better. You don't say, How, why, or who you think is better. Granted we always seam to have problems beating the Niners, to say they are bettter just because, is just what a 9 year old would say after puting a finger in each ear and wigggle them. Grow up youngster.

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I didnt personally insult you bro. I gave an oversimplified but accurate assement of us vs. you.

But if you feel that a 9 year is below you than please dont feel like you have to respond

 

[nashman]

Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better Umm. no their not Wells/Hightower better combo than Gore/any of yoru backups. Wells excelled in his first season better than Gores rookie campaign if you care to look it up. Wells 794 yards in limited role with 7TD's, Gore 608 yards with 3 TD's. Wells has the size and speed and power every team would love to have and I bet any team in the league would take wells over Gore at this point!.

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)Push

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)Our line is better currently you may get better but will take time to materialize.

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)agree for now but we do have some talented youngsters that will get better

Our TE is the best better than ours but not the best in the game.

Our DBS are better couldn't be further from the truth our secondary is better!

Your WR is one of the best one of the few things you got right and we have other talented recievers to round out what should still be one of the best WR cores of any team.

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

Since Leinart and Smith have neither had great success in the NFL so far we could look further back and make the case Leinart has a MUCH greater chance of being the real deal than Smith, but for now we can just wait and see. And without question we have better looking cheerleaders than the Niners, I didn't even know they had girls in SF haha!

 

[cardsfanmd]

I didn't even know they had girls in SF haha!

If you want to call them that.

 

[49erTroll]

You might not be aware so I'll grant you some slack... but Beanie missed most of training camp last season - as a rookie. He came on extremely strong in the 2nd half of the season last year and many experts believe we are about to see an incredible break-out season from him. Hightower is a scoring machine. He's been in the league for 2 seasons and already had 18 TD's! Gore's been in the NFL fro 5 seasons and has 32 TD's. So again, the combination of Wells and Hightower is > than Gore.



You seem like a fairly intelligent football fan -for a being a 9er fan anyway... I'm sure you would agree that a first rounder D-Lineman has a far greater opportunity and it way more likely to contribute in his rookie season, than are rookie o-lineman - right?

First I have to say I love talking to fans like you.

Your right, I didnt know that about beanie and let me just say that IMO beanie is fast and elusive and it appears Hightower(awesome name) is your "pound the rock" guy. And YES when they come together like a power ranger esque super running back their better. But the thread is not best duo's or best running team its best players position by position. So yes, you do have the edge of Hightower, Wells v. Coffee,Gore.

Second point, I think if you thought about how hard it is to be a 3-4 DT then you might revise that statment. Good DTs are paid higher and more coveted than good gaurds because If a gaurd flails initially, he has two guy directly on either side of him to help. If a DT fails, the entire D is in trouble. I think D. williams will be a good player personally and I think he should have gone much much earlier. But If hes not good then the LBS have got to be that much better. We gave Franklin our franchise tag for this very reason...when was the last time you heard a G getting a tag?

 

[49erTroll]

If you want to call them that.

funny

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I dont buy most of what this troll is saying. The Cards DL and Secondary are much better than the niners across the board, and the coaching comparison is laughable. Ill take Singletary if I need someone to fire up the sales troops at the office, but not so much for strategy and X and O's.

But he is right about one thing. Gore alone is better than the Cards RB's combined. It sint that Wells and Hightower arent good (In fact Wells should be a 1200 yard rusher this year if healthy and we committ to the run like i think we will) but Gore is a frickin beast.

5 yards a carry
52 receptions
1500 combined yards
13 TD's

Gore is better. Hands down.

 

[cardsfanmd]

DAD?!?!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

First I have to say I love talking to fans like you.

Your right, I didnt know that about beanie and let me just say that IMO beanie is fast and elusive and it appears Hightower(awesome name) is your "pound the rock" guy. And YES when they come together like a power ranger esque super running back their better. But the thread is not best duo's or best running team its best players position by position. So yes, you do have the edge of Hightower, Wells v. Coffee,Gore.

Second point, I think if you thought about how hard it is to be a 3-4 DT then you might revise that statment. Good DTs are paid higher and more coveted than good gaurds because If a gaurd flails initially, he has two guy directly on either side of him to help. If a DT fails, the entire D is in trouble. I think D. williams will be a good player personally and I think he should have gone much much earlier. But If hes not good then the LBS have got to be that much better. We gave Franklin our franchise tag for this very reason...when was the last time you heard a G getting a tag?

G?

He is a tackle. You do realize that guards play on the offensive side of the football, right? Oh, and tackles are franchised nearly every year.

 

[49erTroll]

The funny thing is that us and the 49ers have alternated season sweeps since 2006. In 2006, Cards swept. 2007 49ers swept. 2008 Cards swept. 2009 49ers swept.

With that said, history is not on the 49ers side in 2010.

And I'll say this. There is only one certainty in the NFC West this season and that's the Rams will finish last again. But the more the media and the division rivals doubt the Cardinals, the sorrier they're going to be come season's end

Im a firm believer in history....hmmm I should quit now then

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Thanks, I cant post on my own board, to many homers and to sensible
Ex. " Man, Alex Smith better do good this year its his last shot"
A: "Yeah totally its his last chance but we should be fine, we have frank the tank!"

Its funner to get told your an idiot than to be told your right....I already know that

As far as being the best I believe Davis is ranked #2 behind Clark and Heath is ranked #8 but if you think about it Clark is playing on one of the best passing offenses in the league. Davis is not. Davis also has more ypc as well as touchdowns oh and did I mention hes a great blocker with incredible speed and strength.

So maybe I exxagerated a lil...but he still better than what you got.

As far as singletary goes...you do realize we beat you twice right? And the fact that the team has just added great depth to a top 10 D and filled in our holes on O-line by grabbing the Iupati and Davis ....I guess that has nothing to do with singletary. The fact that V.D. used to be a primma donna and now hes singletarys biggest supporter says something. Ive heard him speak publicly twice and I walked away feeling good both times. I cant imagine the effect he has on a locker room.

Ah!

I get you. So if we want to talk stats on paper then sure, Davis and Clark are great tight ends.

But in reality tight ends are 1/2 WR and 1/2 OL. So, for 50% of what you need at tight end Clark and Davis are tops in the league.

If you are talking about a TE that does it all, include throwing the best sealing block I have seen in the NFL Health Miller reigns over the NFL like a man amongst boys.

Thus lies the difference. Davis throws blocks like he is stepping on ice. And I am a Cardinals fan, I know all about poor blocking from the tight end position.

If you ask Ozzie Newsome and Todd Christianson, blocking doesn't matter, it won't get you money, and it won't get you in the Hall. But, it makes a WORLD of difference when it comes to wins and loses.

 

[john h]

Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

Forget all this stuff and look at who won the division the last two seasons. Until you finish better than us then stay back in the corner. We are still the Man of the West until someone else can prove it on the field and not on paper.

 

[Krangodnzr]

To throw my opinion on this topic out there again:

We've basically become optimistic about this team; Coach Whisenhunt and his staff have taught us that if they say something like "This player is going to be a stud" it's usually going to be true.

The team no longer is looking to only fill today's needs, it now looks to fill tommorrow's needs (O'Brien Schofield, John Skelton, and to a lesser extent Andre Roberts). The team is proactive now and gets players that would've been a luxury in other years (Alan Faneca, Bryan Robinson). They look to build quality depth and competition at every position (Derek Anderson, Rex Hadnot, Faneca) that there is uncertainty.

I don't see this approach with the Niners IMO. Where is the player to challenge Alex Smith? Sure David Carr could be considered that but Singletary has said that Smith is the unquestioned starter and it doesn't look like it's a competition. Also, the Niners didn't even try to address the offensive line with veterans, which would be more effective right away.

I would not rate Iupati as a top 30 player in the draft; only Steve Hutchinson types are top 30 players and Iupati isn't even close to as good as Hutch was coming out. He was not the best available player, nor the best available talent at a position of need. He was strictly a luxury pick and an overreaction. At the moment our signee Rex Hadnot is a better player and he was had quite cheaply, and he was one of the better starting guards in the NFL last year. All it would've taken was signing him and then using that pick on a player.

Despite what you think or may hope 49esTroll, Nate Clements was terrible the past two seasons, and has been one of the worst cornerbacks in the NFL. Notice I didn't say one of the worst STARTING cornerbacks, since many nickelbacks have outperformed him. Addressing cornerback at 17 would've allowed the 49ers to drastically improve the depth at the position and bumped Clements out of the starting lineup and allowed Clements to focus on ONLY covering big receivers. But Singletary's obsession with "smashmouth" 1980's Bears football (which is antiquated in today's NFL) lead to this IMO, terrible pick.

Also, look at the cap economics of paying FOUR first round offensive lineman....it's just a terrible waste of draft capital and shows no trust nor creativity. Look at many of the olines across the league and you will see that most of the good teams have quite a few late round guys starting; it's just not a value position and paying for FOUR 1st round linemen is going to come back and haunt the 9ers down the road (like I said earlier shortsightedness and the inability to develop players).

 

[SECTION 11]

The Niners are big poopy heads.