No Amare, No KT, No Bell... What's your excuse now Faker fans??

[bko32]

Much more of a fight than most, if not all, Suns fans expected.

Only because of the blown call at the end of Game 4. Otherwise it's already Suns in 6.

no, only because of nash's turnover at the end of regulation. either way, the lakers deserve some credit for even being competitive in this series. even had the refs not blown the call in OT and this series is over, the lakers hung in there with a good suns team that was supposed to walk right over them. the fact that the lakers were within striking distance in all the games was surprising

 

[Yuma]

Glad the series is over.

Oh...wait....

4-2 Dog! Heh heh....

Honestly, Odom should be a fifty point scorer. I look at that guys skills and if he was as aggressive as Kobe, the Lakers would be unstoppable. Kwame is building up a good base of play to build on for next season. If he quits bodying PGs and getting in foul trouble, he will be a load. I don't understand how LA hasn't closed out Phoenix in this series....

 

[bko32]

4-2 Dog! Heh heh....

Honestly, Odom should be a fifty point scorer. I look at that guys skills and if he was as aggressive as Kobe, the Lakers would be unstoppable. Kwame is building up a good base of play to build on for next season. If he quits bodying PGs and getting in foul trouble, he will be a load. I don't understand how LA hasn't closed out Phoenix in this series....

because the 2 guys you just talked about didn't get the ball enough down the stretch. at least give these guys touches down low where they have an opportunity to make a play. frustrating game by kobe last night.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

that's an excuse??

i'm pretty sure that was a joke. and i thought it funny too.

 

[elindholm]

And are you talking about the Luke call, the pushoff from Nash immediately prior to that, the shooting foul not called when Kobe tied the game in regulation, or the pull on Diaw with .7 seconds left.

I'm talking about the Walton out of bounds. The rest are garden variety "judgment" calls that will usually be ignored at the end of a close game. There's no "judgment" about a guy having hit foot completely out of bounds and being awarded a jump ball. It's just an outright, unequivocal mistake.

 

[elindholm]

no, only because of nash's turnover at the end of regulation.

I ask you again: Should the Suns have simply forfeited the game at that point, or did they still have the right to try to win in overtime?

 

[bko32]

no, only because of nash's turnover at the end of regulation.

I ask you again: Should the Suns have simply forfeited the game at that point, or did they still have the right to try to win in overtime?

no they shouldn't have forfeited the game. but i'll ask you this: when the refs called the jump ball, should the lakers have denied that and instead insist that nash shoot free throws instead? or did the lakers still have the right to try and win in overtime?

you guys keep harping on the bad call by the refs in ot. i'm just stating that had nash not turned the ball over in regulation, ot would never have ever happened.

 

[elindholm]

when the refs called the jump ball, should the lakers have denied that and instead insist that nash shoot free throws instead?

Huh? No, of course not. But you'd think that their fans would be smart enough to recognize that the "win" is bogus.

What if the Suns won by a single point, and later it was discovered that the official scorer had accidentally, somehow, given them two extra points earlier in the game? (Let's say the scorer was confused about a goaltending call or something.) Would the Suns be expected to give the game up? No, of course not -- but even so, any idiot would recognize that the win wasn't legitimate.

i'm just stating that had nash not turned the ball over in regulation, ot would never have ever happened.

That's obvious. The point is, in spite of that blunder, the Suns should have won anyway. That's how dominant they were: They endured a horrific collapse at the end of regulation and were still the rightful winners of the game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What if the Suns won by a single point, and later it was discovered that the official scorer had accidentally, somehow, given them two extra points earlier in the game? (Let's say the scorer was confused about a goaltending call or something.) Would the Suns be expected to give the game up? No, of course not -- but even so, any idiot would recognize that the win wasn't legitimate.

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that's actually an interesting question. i wonder what they WOULD do. at least in your scenario if they decided to overturn the miscue it would still result in a win for one team and a loss for another. in fact, a more interesting question would be what if they won by TWO points 'cuz then reversing the error STILL wouldn't provide a winner, but rather a tie ball game, overtime for 5 mins at the place of the original game?

 

[elindholm]

that's actually an interesting question. i wonder what they WOULD do.

They would let the result stand, arguing that too much else had taken place since the error. This happens once in a while in baseball -- a team accidentally gets four outs in an inning, or (more common) the home-plate umpire loses track of the ball-strike count.

Also, there was an incident at Wimbledon a couple of years ago where Venus Williams's opponent was incorrectly awarded an extra point in a critical tiebreaker. They let that stand too.

 

[bko32]

when the refs called the jump ball, should the lakers have denied that and instead insist that nash shoot free throws instead?

Huh? No, of course not. But you'd think that their fans would be smart enough to recognize that the "win" is bogus.

What if the Suns won by a single point, and later it was discovered that the official scorer had accidentally, somehow, given them two extra points earlier in the game? (Let's say the scorer was confused about a goaltending call or something.) Would the Suns be expected to give the game up? No, of course not -- but even so, any idiot would recognize that the win wasn't legitimate.

i'm just stating that had nash not turned the ball over in regulation, ot would never have ever happened.

That's obvious. The point is, in spite of that blunder, the Suns should have won anyway. That's how dominant they were: They endured a horrific collapse at the end of regulation and were still the rightful winners of the game.

not sure what your definition of dominant is, but, imo, the suns weren't dominant. the game went to OT. if the suns were dominant, they would have easily won the game in regulation. the suns played better than the lakers in that game, but i wouldn't go as far as saying they were dominant. as for the bogus win, the lakers still had to take advantage of the crappy call by the refs. the lakers were still down one when the jump ball took place. had the lakers been up one and the jump ball took place, thereby negating a chance for the suns to even attempt a shot, than yes, bogus win for the lakers. but the lakers were the ones that were losing at that time and they hit the big shot to win. don't expect you to give them credit for that and i'm not trying to change your mind. just trying to give you a perspective from a laker fan.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Seriously is this what this has evolved to? We are watching one of the five best opening round series EVER with so many plots twists, and just enough chippiness that it keeps you involved. Both teams are playing at a high level and offensivly and defensivly the coaches have been remarkable with their adjustments. We have the two best players at their positions over the last decade going at it and almost every game has been in doubt with 2 minutes left.

And all anyone wants to talk about is the f--king officating and how Raja bell is a thug. Its not just this board either, its national. What a joke.

There is no reason the Suns should be in this series with all the personnel loss and the best player and coach in the league on the other sideline. But that just goes to show you how good our guys really are. Can we just quit griping about the calls and let it be known there is no conspiracy behind the Suns. If there was, the series would have been over last night. Breaks go to the aggressor and thats the case here too....

I'm stoked for this upcoming game and worried too. Simmons said it best in his column today. He said (paraphrase) " I want a halt put to all MJ/Kobe comaprisons if Kobe doesn't come out and drop 55 on Bell in Game 7. Not only would Jordan have done that, he would have guarded Nash and desemboeled D'Antoni too after what happened in Game 5"

This is true and Kobe knows it. His whole life is dedicated to being the next Jordan so i expect something big out of him Saturday night. But after watching my boys for the last two years, i will say this....I would'nt bet against them...

BTW Laker fans so you know. You have had every break. We are missing one of the five best players in the league, one of the five best post defenders in the league, and the one guy we do have that plays legit defense was out for Game 6.

After watching this series i will say this. I'm not sure what the records would be, but if you switched Kobe and Nash, Kwame and Lamar would both be 20-10 guys and all-stars. You cant tell me that Boris diaw and Eddie House were more likely to be studs this year than Kwame Brown and Devean George......

I would say the pressure is on you guys. As soon as Amare went down so did our title chances this year. But we are playing with House money. And if we beat you guys, theres not a snowballs chance in hell we let a outfit like the LA clippers beat us. Not after this......

 

[bko32]

BTW Laker fans so you know. You have had every break. We are missing one of the five best players in the league, one of the five best post defenders in the league, and the one guy we do have that plays legit defense was out for Game 6.

After watching this series i will say this. I'm not sure what the records would be, but if you switched Kobe and Nash, Kwame and Lamar would both be 20-10 guys and all-stars. You cant tell me that Boris diaw and Eddie House were more likely to be studs this year than Kwame Brown and Devean George......

yes, the lakers have gotten all the breaks. some breaks they've capitalized on, others they haven't. if the suns were 100% healthy, the lakers would have been at home watching the playoffs a week ago. as for kwame and lamar being 20-10 guys, it depends on the roles that nash would play for the lakers. kobe was asked to play the scorer's role during the regular season, not the distributor's role. because of this role, his teammates were left to pick up his scraps. had kobe been playing like he did in the first few games of this series, than i think kwame and lamar would have had better regular season numbers. if nash played the scorer's role for la, i don't think his teammates, no matter who they are, would put up great numbers. any coach that would try and make nash a scorer would also be a freakin' idiot. nash is great because the strongest part of his game is penetrating and dishing to his open teammates. he is the best in the nba at this. kobe could not play the role that nash plays because that would not suit kobe's strongest skills and nash could not play kobe's role because that would not suit nash's strongest skills. imo, comparing these two players to each other is like apples to oranges

 

[elindholm]

as for the bogus win, the lakers still had to take advantage of the crappy call by the refs. the lakers were still down one when the jump ball took place... but the lakers were the ones that were losing at that time and they hit the big shot to win.

That's basically like saying, "Yes, I stole the lottery ticket, but I still had to scratch off the gray stuff by myself."

 

[bko32]

as for the bogus win, the lakers still had to take advantage of the crappy call by the refs. the lakers were still down one when the jump ball took place... but the lakers were the ones that were losing at that time and they hit the big shot to win.

That's basically like saying, "Yes, I stole the lottery ticket, but I still had to scratch off the gray stuff by myself."

not quite because the lottery ticket in your scenario was a guaranteed winner. were the lakers guaranteed a win because the jump ball was called?

 

[elindholm]

were the lakers guaranteed a win because the jump ball was called?

Virtually. Walton has six inches on Nash, and Bryant is deadly in the open floor.