Not even kinda close! (Jordan and Rose)

[D-Dogg]

believe me there wasn't anything cute about 6-24 and the fact that you're getting so ridiculously riled about it only makes me think I'm right. 23 FTs in the 4th quarter... brought back shades of Game 6 2002 all over again.

now go ahead and swear or you use bold strokes to prove how much you mean what you say... but deep down you know I'm right, otherwise, why get so indignant about it?

5:56 64-64 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
5:56 Glen Davis loose ball foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul) 64-64
5:56 64-64 Official timeout
5:56 64-65 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
5:56 64-66 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
5:37 Ray Allen misses 18-foot jumper 64-66
5:35 64-66 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
5:22 64-68 Kobe Bryant makes 17-foot two point shot
5:20 Boston full timeout
5:20 Rasheed Wallace enters the game for Glen Davis 64-68
5:01 Paul Pierce misses 27-foot three point jumper 64-68
5:00 64-68 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
4:37 Kevin Garnett shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 64-68
4:37 64-69 Pau Gasol makes free throw 1 of 2
4:37 64-70 Pau Gasol makes free throw 2 of 2
4:20 Ray Allen misses two point shot 64-70
4:16 64-70 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
3:57 64-70 Kobe Bryant misses 19-foot jumper
3:56 Kevin Garnett defensive rebound 64-70
3:45 Paul Pierce makes 15-foot two point shot (Rajon Rondo assists) 66-70
3:20 Paul Pierce shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul) 66-70
3:20 66-70 Kobe Bryant misses free throw 1 of 2
3:20 66-70 Los Angeles offensive team rebound
3:20 66-71 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2

That proves what I say. When the chips were down, and the stakes were high, Kobe got three HUGE boards, and drove for FTs to get the game in favor of the Lakers.

You can giggle like a schoolgirl or Bill Simmons, same thing really, about 6-24. I instead see 15 rebounds and 16 championships. 15 ridiculously important rebounds for a SG that averages around 7 per game. In a series where the team with the most rebounds won every game. Yeah, 6-24 was reaaaaaly important.

 

[D-Dogg]

he practically shot them out of that game

the team as a whole shot 32.5% percent. His 25% wasn't "shooting them out of the game" ffs. The celts shot 40%. It was ugly, ugly basketball, and rebounds decided it. Kobe and Pau had 7 fewer rebounds combined than the ENTIRE CELTIC team...there was no "shotting them out of that game" on anyone's part. Everyone shot like crap. FISH was the only guy over .500, going 4-6.

That game was brick city, all around. Kind of like Jordan's 9-26 brickfest against Utah in 98..oh, wait...he never had a bad game in the playoffs, ever ever ever.

 

[Mulli]

the team as a whole shot 32.5% percent. His 25% wasn't "shooting them out of the game" ffs. The celts shot 40%. It was ugly, ugly basketball, and rebounds decided it. Kobe and Pau had 7 fewer rebounds combined than the ENTIRE CELTIC team...there was no "shotting them out of that game" on anyone's part. Everyone shot like crap. FISH was the only guy over .500, going 4-6.

That game was brick city, all around. Kind of like Jordan's 9-26 brickfest against Utah in 98..oh, wait...he never had a bad game in the playoffs, ever ever ever.

Jordan's SIX Finals MVP's made people forget.

And 7 50 point plus playoff games. 30 40-49 point games 71 30-39 point playoff games.

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/statistics/points_60_50_40_30_20_10.htm

 

[slinslin]

Kobe Bryant is so far away from being on the same level as MJ.

 

[Mulli]

Kobe Bryant is so far away from being on the same level as MJ.

Even Kobe said so. I think Kobe comes closer than anyone else has. Except for Baby Jordan, Harold Minor, of course.

But this is a silly ESPN argument.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That game was brick city, all around. Kind of like Jordan's 9-26 brickfest against Utah in 98..oh, wait...he never had a bad game in the playoffs, ever ever ever.

no one ever said Michael never had bad games. and you're comparing a 31 year old guy to a guy who's 35... that's your proof of MJ being bad. funny.

should have brought up 3-18 against the Knicks back in Game 3 of the '93 ECF as better proof of.. well... whatever it is you're trying to prove... although not sure that would work considering the Bulls kicked the crap out of the Knicks in that game as opposed to Kobe shooting his team into a 13 point 3rd quarter deficit in the biggest game of his life.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

BS, I was a PG, so I watch and bitch about PG play in every game I watch on every team. PGs offensively get away with sick amounts of hand contact, and defenders lean on them ALL the time...not just Fish...they all do it. Body to the pick, then push off, then hand on hip. There is so much effing contact on the perimeter that it makes me crazy, on both sides...in legitimately reffed games, you can't pull the crap that either offensive or defensive PGs pull in the NBA...it is my personal pet peeve about the sport.

Ha, comparing Fisher to other point guards undermines any credibility you have on the matter. Even the most homerific Lakers fans I know are objective enough to know that Fish gets away with more raping than anyone else in the league. (Insert Kobe joke here) Perhaps you just haven't noticed Fish humping players up and down the court over the last 10 years, and in total shock whenever refs actually enforce the rules? It's shameful, and ruins the beauty of basketball.

 

[Mulli]

Ha, comparing Fisher to other point guards undermines any credibility you have on the matter. Even the most homerific Lakers fans I know are objective enough to know that Fish gets away with more raping than anyone else in the league. (Insert Kobe joke here) Perhaps you just haven't noticed Fish humping players up and down the court over the last 10 years, and in total shock whenever refs actually enforce the rules? It's shameful, and ruins the beauty of basketball.

Donald is the most homerific fan you know. I am definitely not, and I say Fisher doesn't get away with as much as you seem to be saying.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Donald is the most homerific fan you know. I am definitely not, and I say Fisher doesn't get away with as much as you seem to be saying.

You're saying Fisher doesn't ride opposing PG's up and down the court? Interesting.

 

[Mulli]

You're saying Fisher doesn't ride opposing PG's up and down the court? Interesting.

Not as bad as you make it sound.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Not as bad as you make it sound.

OK, well off the top of your head, can you name 5 players that ride opposing players as hard as Fisher?

 

[Mulli]

OK, well off the top of your head, can you name 5 players that ride opposing players as hard as Fisher?

No. But that is more of a sign that I just follow the Bulls. I would say Paul Pierce, Rondo, and few of the Spurs, off the top of my head.

 

[desertdawg]

OK, well off the top of your head, can you name 5 players that ride opposing players as hard as Fisher?

Sasha was the head humper on the Lakers.

 

[Bert]

Coincidentally, this is the "Today in sports history" on ESPN today.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6394479

 

[desertdawg]

Coincidentally, this is the "Today in sports history" on ESPN today.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6394479

That was a great game!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

No. But that is more of a sign that I just follow the Bulls. I would say Paul Pierce, Rondo, and few of the Spurs, off the top of my head.

Ha, well if it makes you feel any better, I hate them all, and think they're everything that's wrong with the current game. I love the NBA, but officiating that BS is nearly impossible. Just ask Pat Riley, in the 90's he pretty much dared officials to do their job, and most of the time, they wouldn't.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Donald is the most homerific fan you know. I am definitely not, and I say Fisher doesn't get away with as much as you seem to be saying.

I think most of us Suns fans would put Fisher at the top of this list but to be fair, he probably doesn't get away with this all that often during the regular season. Come playoff time though, I'd definitely put Fisher at the top of this list. Being a Bulls fan, you probably haven't watched much playoff basketball for the last several years so you might have missed the mugging Fisher gets away with in the postseason. For regular season play, I'd probably give Rondo the league-wide nod.

I think it bothers me more with Fisher than anyone else though because it's the only reason he's in the NBA. If he were limited to playing basketball by the rules, he'd have been unemployed a decade ago.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ha, well if it makes you feel any better, I hate them all, and think they're everything that's wrong with the current game. I love the NBA, but officiating that BS is nearly impossible. Just ask Pat Riley, in the 90's he pretty much dared officials to do their job, and most of the time, they wouldn't.

He watched what Chuck Daly's Pistons did to his Lakers and when he couldn't get justice from the league and the refs, he decided to copy that style in New York.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

I think most of us Suns fans would put Fisher at the top of this list but to be fair, he probably doesn't get away with this all that often during the regular season. Come playoff time though, I'd definitely put Fisher at the top of this list. Being a Bulls fan, you probably haven't watched much playoff basketball for the last several years so you might have missed the mugging Fisher gets away with in the postseason. For regular season play, I'd probably give Rondo the league-wide nod.

I think it bothers me more with Fisher than anyone else though because it's the only reason he's in the NBA. If he were limited to playing basketball by the rules, he'd have been unemployed a decade ago.

Steve

I have watched plenty because I wanted the Lakers to beat the Spurs and the Celtics. In fact, I was in LA when Fish was drafted so I have sort of watched him his whole career with the Lakers. I will admit Fisher keeps a hand on guys, but any decent PG should be able to get away from the guy pretty easy.

I think you just have Sunsfansrefsaremeantousitis.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have watched plenty because I wanted the Lakers to beat the Spurs and the Celtics. In fact, I was in LA when Fish was drafted so I have sort of watched him his whole career with the Lakers. I will admit Fisher keeps a hand on guys, but any decent PG should be able to get away from the guy pretty easy.

I think you just have Sunsfansrefsaremeantousitis.

I definitely suffer from refsaremeantousitis although the rash is mostly gone now. However, I still think Fisher gets away with more in the playoffs than any other player. If it was just his hands, you'd be right about players being able to get away from him, but he's a master of using his hip on players also.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

I definitely suffer from refsaremeantousitis although the rash is mostly gone now. However, I still think Fisher gets away with more in the playoffs than any other player. If it was just his hands, you'd be right about players being able to get away from him, but he's a master of using his hip on players also.

Steve

They feel sorry for him because he is so slow.

 

[AzStevenCal]

They feel sorry for him because he is so slow.

Yeah I know, I asked him a question once at Disneyland and it took him like 30 seconds to come up with an answer.

Steve

 

[D-Dogg]

Ha, comparing Fisher to other point guards undermines any credibility you have on the matter. Even the most homerific Lakers fans I know are objective enough to know that Fish gets away with more raping than anyone else in the league. (Insert Kobe joke here) Perhaps you just haven't noticed Fish humping players up and down the court over the last 10 years, and in total shock whenever refs actually enforce the rules? It's shameful, and ruins the beauty of basketball.

I didn't say he didn't. I said PG offensive fouls and defensive fouls make those matchups almost unwatchable these days. PGs commit fouls like crazy, and it's rarely called on either side.

Fish's "defense" is ugly as sin. Never said it wasn't.

 

[Michael]

That proves what I say. When the chips were down, and the stakes were high, Kobe got three HUGE boards, and drove for FTs to get the game in favor of the Lakers.

You can giggle like a schoolgirl or Bill Simmons, same thing really, about 6-24. I instead see 15 rebounds and 16 championships. 15 ridiculously important rebounds for a SG that averages around 7 per game. In a series where the team with the most rebounds won every game. Yeah, 6-24 was reaaaaaly important.

With the teams shooting 40 and 32 percent, respectively, of course Kobe grabbed more rebounds than he usually does. If he had shot better than 25% from the field, wouldn't have missed all of his six threes and 4 free throws, the game wouldn't have been this close. And how a player that gets so much attention and who has talented bigs in his team can only get 2 assists (with 4 turnovers) is another matter altogether.

 

[desertdawg]

Good times, watching "first Take" this morning and now I remember why they don't put Skip Bailess and Steven A Smith on the same stage at the same time. I don't know which is more annoying.

They were arguing about what Pippen said regarding Queen James being a better player than Sir Michael Jordan. Pippen is a chump for saying that, and even though I still like Pippen, I saw it as pure haterade.

Sitting there with all them rings, that you got because of Michael Jordan, and then say that Lebron is better because he can get others the ball?
Stupid words from a jealous man who should know personally that Jordan distributed the ball.