Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[pokerface]

I think Young's best fit is as the 12 time All Star starting point guard in the NBA for whatever team he plays for. Yes, I'm a Trae Young fan if that isn't clear. Honestly, I think comparing him to Shai is like comparing Nash to Kris Dunn or Elfrid Payton.

Well defense plays a part in this game too. I think with Book, Ayton, Warren, and eventually Jackson I think offensively we will be alright. I mean there is only one basketball.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was reading about Nash the other day and the article mentioned he should have shot the ball more sort of like Curry to be more of an offensive threat. That was not his style but it fits the style of the new NBA.

I think that article gives Nash a little too much credit. He didn’t have Curry’s ridiculous range nor did he have that lightning quick release Curry does to get his shot off at any time against anyone.

 

[pokerface]

I was reading about Nash the other day and the article mentioned he should have shot the ball more sort of like Curry to be more of an offensive threat. That was not his style but it fits the style of the new NBA.

Why can't Booker take those shots? Nash didn't have a Kobe clone to share with

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah but we already have a dominant shooing guard. That plus potentially having Ayton with his offensive firepower. Don't see a real need for Youngs offense. Then on defense he'd be a liability.

Shai has been shooting good percentages . His three point shooting would be killer. His defense could cover point guards and shooting guards.

As others have noted, we were actually a worse offensive team than on D.

And Young is a better passer than he is a shooter. In fact, I'd say he's the best passing guard I've watched in college basketball. He'd make everyone better.

There are players who make team offense run so smooth that you're just about guaranteed to win a lot of games, there is no such thing on the defensive side. I think Young has the potential to be that kind of player.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think that article gives Nash a little too much credit. He didn’t have Curry’s ridiculous range nor did he have that lightning quick release Curry does to get his shot off at any time against anyone.

Nash did have that great shooting touch. Looking back, John Stockton should have shot the ball more. However, those were different eras.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well defense plays a part in this game too. I think with Book, Ayton, Warren, and eventually Jackson I think offensively we will be alright. I mean there is only one basketball.

We had all those players minus Ayton and we were the worst offense in the NBA. The rules all favor perimeter ballhandler/shooters, that's not the position to start an average player at IMO. I might agree with you if we were talking about a dynamic defender but that isn't Shai.

 

[Mainstreet]

Why can't Booker take those shots? Nash didn't have a Kobe clone to share with

Booker needs someone to take the defensive focus off him. Young would do that.

Also Nash wore down under the defensive attention.

 

[pokerface]

We had all those players minus Ayton and we were the worst offense in the NBA. The rules all favor perimeter ballhandler/shooters, that's not the position to start an average player at IMO. I might agree with you if we were talking about a dynamic defender but that isn't Shai.

Ayton is going to help others get open looks and provide offense on his own...plus his rebounding will provide more scoring opportunity. Jackson will get better offensively.. probably much better. We dont need to pay a premium for Youngs offense.

 

[Phrazbit]

Ayton is going to help others get open looks and provide offense on his own...plus his rebounding will provide more scoring opportunity. Jackson will get better offensively.. probably much better. We dont need to pay a premium for Youngs offense.

If Young is as good offensively as his potential shows... that cost is a pittance.

I'd gladly swap all our picks (besides the 1st obviously) and the Milwaukee pick. That would be a heist. Even if all Young ends up being is an above average guard with good shooting and passing, that type of player is waaaaaaay mor

Yes, there is only one ball, but there also are only 5 players on the court at a time. There is a saying that expresses the quality over quantity in the league well; "in the NBA 4 quarters do not equal a dollar". Four decent, even good players, players do not remotely equal one true star. Young has star potential, the odds of us getting even a capable starter with all those picks we're trading are pretty slim.

I'd honestly throw in our 1st rounder next year with only like top 5 protection.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ayton is going to help others get open looks and provide offense on his own...plus his rebounding will provide more scoring opportunity. Jackson will get better offensively.. probably much better. We dont need to pay a premium for Youngs offense.

The Suns do need a scoring PG. @ColdPickleNachos is right about this.

I guess I'm more willing to be patient than give Walker the next big contract.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Young is as good offensively as his potential shows... that cost is a pittance.

I'd gladly swap all our picks (besides the 1st obviously) and the Milwaukee pick. That would be a heist. Even if all Young ends up being is an above average guard with good shooting and passing, that type of player is waaaaaaay mor

Yes, there is only one ball, but there also are only 5 players on the court at a time. There is a saying that expresses the quality over quantity in the league well; "in the NBA 4 quarters do not equal a dollar". Four decent, even good players, players do not remotely equal one true star. Young has star potential, the odds of us getting even a capable starter with all those picks we're trading are pretty slim.

I'd honestly throw in our 1st rounder next year with only like top 5 protection.

And the future Miami pick as well?

 

[Phrazbit]

And the future Miami pick as well?

That one would give me more pause... but I doubt I'd let it be a sticking point. Maybe do something where we get to keep the better of our pick vs Miami's in that season.

So when 2021 comes about and we just won the title we still get to keep Miami's 1st overall pick and send our own 30th to... Orlando or whomever.

To get Young I do think it's Orlando we'll have to swap with, or jump ahead of. I don't see him slipping beyond them.

 

[Mainstreet]

That one would give me more pause... but I doubt I'd let it be a sticking point. Maybe do something where we get to keep the better of our pick vs Miami's in that season.

So when 2021 comes about and we just won the title we still get to keep Miami's 1st overall pick and send our own 30th to... Orlando or whomever.

To get Young I do think it's Orlando we'll have to swap with, or jump ahead of. I don't see him slipping beyond them.

I'm not this confident in Young to give up all these assets. Ayton... yes (if it were necessary).... Young.... I'm not so sure.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not this confident in Young to give up all these assets. Ayton... yes (if it were necessary).... Young.... I'm not so sure.

Again, we're talking 2 or 3 mid to late first round picks and a couple second rounders.

The odds of getting even a starting caliber player from ALL those picks individually are slim, the odds of getting a potential star are virtually nil.

If all we had to give up was our remaining picks this year and Milwaukee's pick next year I'd do it in a heart beat, and the team that made that trade with us would get roundly mocked in real time... and likely in perpetuity.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Young is as good offensively as his potential shows... that cost is a pittance.

I'd gladly swap all our picks (besides the 1st obviously) and the Milwaukee pick. That would be a heist. Even if all Young ends up being is an above average guard with good shooting and passing, that type of player is waaaaaaay mor

Yes, there is only one ball, but there also are only 5 players on the court at a time. There is a saying that expresses the quality over quantity in the league well; "in the NBA 4 quarters do not equal a dollar". Four decent, even good players, players do not remotely equal one true star. Young has star potential, the odds of us getting even a capable starter with all those picks we're trading are pretty slim.

I'd honestly throw in our 1st rounder next year with only like top 5 protection.

I would too.

Young/Booker/JJ/Ouchie/Ayton would be zinging the hell out of teams in a couple years.

 

[taz02]

We don't need any pics outside of the top 5-10 this year or next. we have more young players than we know what to do with.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Again, we're talking 2 or 3 mid to late first round picks and a couple second rounders.

The odds of getting even a starting caliber player from ALL those picks individually are slim, the odds of getting a potential star are virtually nil.

If all we had to give up was our remaining picks this year and Milwaukee's pick next year I'd do it in a heart beat, and the team that made that trade with us would get roundly mocked in real time... and likely in perpetuity.

Yeah, it's a no brainer to me. But if you don't believe in him, I can see passing. I believe in him though, more than any other player in this draft minus Ayton. I know the current NBA comps have him closer to Bibby or Jason Williams than Nash or Curry but even if they are right (and I am wrong), that's not a bad player for a collection of middling picks.

 

[taz02]

Is it correct that we have six pics slated for this year and next

 

[Mainstreet]

Again, we're talking 2 or 3 mid to late first round picks and a couple second rounders.

The odds of getting even a starting caliber player from ALL those picks individually are slim, the odds of getting a potential star are virtually nil.

If all we had to give up was our remaining picks this year and Milwaukee's pick next year I'd do it in a heart beat, and the team that made that trade with us would get roundly mocked in real time... and likely in perpetuity.

I would do this without thinking twice.

It's the future Miami pick that makes me nervous. That could be a good pick especially if the Heat blow it up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah, it's a no brainer to me. But if you don't believe in him, I can see passing. I believe in him though, more than any other player in this draft minus Ayton. I know the current NBA comps have him closer to Bibby or Jason Williams than Nash or Curry but even if they are right (and I am wrong), that's not a bad player for a collection of middling picks.

Yup. Bibby was the floor general for a couple of the best teams to never win a title... and it was never his fault they didn’t win them.

 

[overseascardfan]

I know there should be a lot of hype about Curry but I believe someone on this thread brought up Elie Okobo of France and after watching some footage of him I would take him at #16 (right now NBA Draft Net has him at #30). Guy is around the same size as Young but looks stronger with a 6'8 wingspan, his numbers aren't as impressive as Young but he is a better defender and more explosive. I think his shooting ability is similar to Young. Check out his pass at 3:27, a magician couldn't explain how he made it.

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[AzStevenCal]

I know there should be a lot of hype about Curry but I believe someone on this thread brought up Elie Okobo of France and after watching some footage of him I would take him at #16 (right now NBA Draft Net has him at #30). Guy is around the same size as Young but looks stronger with a 6'8 wingspan, his numbers aren't as impressive as Young but he is a better defender and more explosive. I think his shooting ability is similar to Young. Check out his pass at 3:27, a magician couldn't explain how he made it.

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I don't know much about him but his clips are intriguing. I wouldn't mind seeing us go this way too if they believe he's the real deal.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know there should be a lot of hype about Curry but I believe someone on this thread brought up Elie Okobo of France and after watching some footage of him I would take him at #16 (right now NBA Draft Net has him at #30). Guy is around the same size as Young but looks stronger with a 6'8 wingspan, his numbers aren't as impressive as Young but he is a better defender and more explosive. I think his shooting ability is similar to Young. Check out his pass at 3:27, a magician couldn't explain how he made it.

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I know @Chaplin has brought him up. Maybe others as well. I like what I see.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Defensively speaking he has great length and smarts, but is lacking in bulk and quickness. Early on, he'll get eaten alive by twitchy-quick guards (which the league is laden with). And he'll get exposed against physically dominant Gs (basically the other half of the NBA).

If he bulks up, he'll cut his deficiencies in half, but he'll always struggle against speed (on both ends). That doesn't mean he can't be successful, it's just going to take a lot of work.

I don't hate Shai, I just would rather take a guy like Brunson at 31 who can help NOW rather than another prospect at 16 we have to wait and hope develops.

Here’s the magic . . . we have the 16th and 31st picks. We can take both.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Here’s the magic . . . we have the 16th and 31st picks. We can take both.

You know that expression, "When you have two quarterbacks, you really have zero"?

Knight Payton Ulis Harrison Canaan Shai Brunson

Seven point guards, Not a one I like as the starter! (Of course, I'm lower on Shai than most)