Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[Ronin]

Sounds like the stage name of a hiphop DJ.

lol

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Trade up for Porter Jr please.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Trade up for Porter Jr please.

He's reportedly a ball stopper; a heavy ISO player. Throw in the fact he's had a back injury that necessitated surgery and I have zero interest. I wouldn't mind taking his brother though.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

He's reportedly a ball stopper; a heavy ISO player. Throw in the fact he's had a back injury that necessitated surgery and I have zero interest. I wouldn't mind taking his brother though.

His brother is returning to Missouri.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

He's reportedly a ball stopper; a heavy ISO player. Throw in the fact he's had a back injury that necessitated surgery and I have zero interest. I wouldn't mind taking his brother though.

Ball stopper Kevin Durant is doing OK. And that's his comp. I think Porter Jr will be the best player in this draft. Also thought that about Durant over Oden. I wouldn't take him first because of the injury, but if he falls past 5 I would do everything I could to get him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ball stopper Kevin Durant is doing OK. And that's his comp. I think Porter Jr will be the best player in this draft. Also thought that about Durant over Oden. I wouldn't take him first because of the injury, but if he falls past 5 I would do everything I could to get him.

I don't know anything firsthand on Porter but his reputation says he's very ball dominant, quite a bit more so than with Durant. And he often ignores teammates, even on fast breaks. KD, OTOH, averaged 5.4 assists per game this season with reasonable usage numbers.

He may well become a star but the health risks make him a poor target for us, IMO. Don't forget, roughly 75% of players that have had disk-related surgery end up having further back problems during their careers (from injury expert Jeff Stotts via Sporting News).

 

[Chaplin]

I don't know anything firsthand on Porter but his reputation says he's very ball dominant, quite a bit more so than with Durant. And he often ignores teammates, even on fast breaks. KD, OTOH, averaged 5.4 assists per game this season with reasonable usage numbers.

He may well become a star but the health risks make him a poor target for us, IMO. Don't forget, roughly 75% of players that have had disk-related surgery end up having further back problems during their careers (from injury expert Jeff Stotts via Sporting News).

Not saying I disagree with your overall premise, but you're seriously comparing Durant's stats from this season in the NBA to Porter's college career?

 

[Ronin]

scott bordow‏Verified account@sbordow 26m26 minutes ago
Also, from today's workout: McDonough said it's a "strong possibility" Suns will use No. 59 pick on player they can stash overseas. Doesn't want to add 4 rookies to already young roster

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Not saying I disagree with your overall premise, but you're seriously comparing Durant's stats from this season in the NBA to Porter's college career?

Porter didn't have a college career unfortunately. But Durant averaged 1.3 assists in college and it's hard to imagine Porter would have been significantly worse than that. Ball sharing is something that can be improved and controlled by coaching and scheming, as we see with KD going from complete ball stop in college (1apg) to 5+ apg as a veteran with the Warriors. It doesn't concern me much unless the 'ball stop' is your point guard like Russ.

 

[BC867]

scott bordow‏Verified account@sbordow 6m6 minutes ago

Bates-Diop could be a candidate at No. 31 for Suns.

Did they call him Master when he was too young to be called Mister?

'Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not saying I disagree with your overall premise, but you're seriously comparing Durant's stats from this season in the NBA to Porter's college career?

Say what? I did nothing of the sort. Porter has no college career, just 53 minutes or something like that. I used Durant's current stats to address the accusation that he was a ball stopper. His usage isn't out of whack and he picks up assists. That doesn't equal ball stopper IMO.

 

[Chaplin]

Say what? I did nothing of the sort. Porter has no college career, just 53 minutes or something like that. I used Durant's current stats to address the accusation that he was a ball stopper. His usage isn't out of whack and he picks up assists. That doesn't equal ball stopper IMO.

Ok, sorry, you compared Durant to Porter's high school stats. That's even worse. What makes more sense is doing an apples to apples comparison, not an apple to apple pie comparison.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ok, sorry, you compared Durant to Porter's high school stats. That's even worse. What makes more sense is doing an apples to apples comparison, not an apple to apple pie comparison.

Again, no, I DIDN'T COMPARE DURANT or his stats to anybody, anytime. I simply used KD's most recent year to disagree with the claim that Durant was a ball stopper. He isn't a ball stopper although he is an ISO player at heart. In college, perhaps, he was a ball stopper because of this teammates.

I've never watched Porter play. I know nothing about him firsthand. I made that point in my earlier post. But according to what I've read and heard, he tends to barrel through the key with his head down, ignoring his teammates. Even when surrounded by top level teammates.

 

[Chaplin]

Again, no, I DIDN'T COMPARE DURANT or his stats to anybody, anytime. I simply used KD's most recent year to disagree with the claim that Durant was a ball stopper. He isn't a ball stopper although he is an ISO player at heart. In college, perhaps, he was a ball stopper because of this teammates.

But isn't that really irrelevant to the discussion since Durant is so much older AND has a lot more experience than Porter? Maybe that's what you were trying to prove from the start.

 

[AzStevenCal]

But isn't that really irrelevant to the discussion since Durant is so much older AND has a lot more experience than Porter? Maybe that's what you were trying to prove from the start.

Well, I didn't bring him into the conversation.

I don't want Porter, mostly due to his back surgery. But the little I know of him as a player has me concerned. I don't know how much these on-line scouting reports matter or whether Seth Greenberg really knows what he's talking about but apparently some people have a problem with the way Porter plays the game. Can he unlearn and relearn? I have no idea.

 

[Hoop Head]

But isn't that really irrelevant to the discussion since Durant is so much older AND has a lot more experience than Porter? Maybe that's what you were trying to prove from the start.

Somebody else mentioned Durant, Steve was replying to that, here's the post someone made when Steve said he'd pass on Porter because he's reportedly a ball stopper...

Ball stopper Kevin Durant is doing OK. And that's his comp. I think Porter Jr will be the best player in this draft. Also thought that about Durant over Oden. I wouldn't take him first because of the injury, but if he falls past 5 I would do everything I could to get him.

Then Steve posted Durant's stats to say that he isn't really much of a ball stopper anymore so it's probably not much of a comparison. He's more disputing the idea that Porter will be like Durant, not pushing the idea that they're the same.

 

[Mainstreet]

scott bordow‏Verified account@sbordow 6m6 minutes ago

Bates-Diop could be a candidate at No. 31 for Suns.

After reading the snippet from the article below, I'm almost ready for the Suns to draft a player like Bates-Diop at #16. He is a versatile player who can guard multiple positions. Have to like the wingspan and outside shooting.

I guess I'm greedy because the Suns can get a PG at #31 although they might trade up from #16 for a top PG candidate.

Bates-Diop then raised his stock at the combine when his wingspan was measured at 7-3. McDonough said Bates-Diop can be player who guards four different positions and can play a small-ball center offensively.

“Boy, he’s really long and versatile,” McDonough said. “One of the things that stood out at the workout today and at Ohio State is that he’s able to step out and make shots from the perimeter. With his length he can get into the paint and into the post area and score over the top.

“Defensively he’s really versatile. Again, that length and freakish wingspan helps and he also slides pretty well. … So he’s a unique player, a versatile player and the kind of player every team is looking for.”

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...eita-bates-diop-corliss-williamson/661852002/

 

[Chaplin]

Somebody else mentioned Durant, Steve was replying to that, here's the post someone made when Steve said he'd pass on Porter because he's reportedly a ball stopper...



Then Steve posted Durant's stats to say that he isn't really much of a ball stopper anymore so it's probably not much of a comparison. He's more disputing the idea that Porter will be like Durant, not pushing the idea that they're the same.

Got it. Sorry Steve. My reading comprehension has been off since we got the #1 pick.

 

[overseascardfan]

I wonder what PHXs goal is this offseason.

They could build their bench on the cheap with all the draft picks if they want to move veterans in trades or replace them if they are FAs.

Second option would be to use draft picks to move up and take a second Top 10 guy like Young or Doncic.

I don’t think there is a big FA piece that can be added or worth offering a max contract. RFAs like Capela, Gordon, Parker & Randle won’t be cheap and it’s not a guarantee that their current teams won’t match offers.

I am not sold on Chriss / Bender as long term PF option. Chriss didn’t take that next step in development and still showed signs of immaturity and lack of discipline. Bender’s game also didn’t take off when given larger amount of minutes. If there is a better PF option available in a trade I wouldn’t hesitate to include either in a package.

If Kokoskov can develop Payton’s jump shot then I think he is our PG unless PHX is trading up in draft for a PG.

 

[Raze]

I'm having a harder time deciding who I'd like at #16 than either at #1 or #31. It's just a bad spot in this draft. I'm just hoping someone in my top 3 tiers falls to us. FWIW my tiers go:

Tier 1

Ayton
Doncic

Tier 2

Bagley
Jackson
Bamba
Porter
Carter
Mikal Bridges

Tier 3

Young
The other Bridges
Sexton
R. Williams
Jerome Robinson

That's 13 players. That leaves us picking between:

Shai - not exactly the right fit with Book, but a talent nonetheless
Knox
Thomas
Trent
Simons (Man his film looks awful. I'm sure he's better than what I saw. Low release = lots of blocked shots. That said, he's a horrible fit next to Book and NOT a PG)

I just don't see anyone I just HAVE to have outside of the top 3 tiers. I'd take ANY of those guys at #16 though. (I really like Jerome Robinson even though he's another SG.)

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm having a harder time deciding who I'd like at #16 than either at #1 or #31. It's just a bad spot in this draft. I'm just hoping someone in my top 3 tiers falls to us. FWIW my tiers go:

Tier 1

Ayton
Doncic

Tier 2

Bagley
Jackson
Bamba
Porter
Carter
Mikal Bridges

Tier 3

Young
The other Bridges
Sexton
R. Williams
Jerome Robinson

That's 13 players. That leaves us picking between:

Shai - not exactly the right fit with Book, but a talent nonetheless
Knox
Thomas
Trent
Simons (Man his film looks awful. I'm sure he's better than what I saw. Low release = lots of blocked shots. That said, he's a horrible fit next to Book and NOT a PG)

I just don't see anyone I just HAVE to have outside of the top 3 tiers. I'd take ANY of those guys at #16 though. (I really like Jerome Robinson even though he's another SG.)

I'd move up for Young if he falls to your 3rd tier.

I like Shai at #16 as well. However, the Suns might get as good a PG at #31 as #16.

I'm not a fan of Knox but at #16 I would like him.

 

[JerkFace]

I'm having a harder time deciding who I'd like at #16 than either at #1 or #31. It's just a bad spot in this draft. I'm just hoping someone in my top 3 tiers falls to us. FWIW my tiers go:

Tier 1

Ayton
Doncic

Tier 2

Bagley
Jackson
Bamba
Porter
Carter
Mikal Bridges

Tier 3

Young
The other Bridges
Sexton
R. Williams
Jerome Robinson

That's 13 players. That leaves us picking between:

Shai - not exactly the right fit with Book, but a talent nonetheless
Knox
Thomas
Trent
Simons (Man his film looks awful. I'm sure he's better than what I saw. Low release = lots of blocked shots. That said, he's a horrible fit next to Book and NOT a PG)

I just don't see anyone I just HAVE to have outside of the top 3 tiers. I'd take ANY of those guys at #16 though. (I really like Jerome Robinson even though he's another SG.)

I have it tiered just a little different. I see 4 tiers and then a big drop off:
Tier 1
Ayton
Doncic

Tier 2
Bagley
Bamba
Jackson
Porter
Young

Tier 3
Carter
Bridges
Other Bridges
Sexton

Tier 4
Shai
Knox
Walker

The main thing we have in common though is that we believe that someone is going to have to slide a bit to be available at 16. If no one slides I don’t see a huge difference in who will be available at 16 and who is available at 31. If no one slides to 16 then I am all for trading 16 for a veteran and take the bpa at 31. Or we could just trade 16 with some other stuff to move up in the draft (my first choice but it takes a dance partner).

 

[pokerface]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...e-kenneth-faried-should-the-suns-dial-them-up


Denver might deal #14

 

[JCSunsfan]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...e-kenneth-faried-should-the-suns-dial-them-up


Denver might deal #14

The Suns are talking about bringing in two vet free agents this summer, I just do not see them doing this.

 

[Hoop Head]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...e-kenneth-faried-should-the-suns-dial-them-up


Denver might deal #14

Maybe 16 and 59 for 14. No more than that. If we're owed a 2nd rounder from anyone they can have that instead of 59, maybe. The right to swap a future 2nd with the Suns wouldn't bother me. It's 2 spots and it's not a lot really. The Clippers have 12 and 13 and they could probably use a PG also so it's difficult to determine what's worth giving up to 14 to possible have our plans fall through because of the Clippers. Work out a 3 way trade. Suns get #12, Clippers get 14, Denver gets 16 and the Clippers get 31 and the Nuggets get the 59 or the option to switch their 2nd round pick with us next season and only next season.