Obtainable Point Guards this off-season

[SirStefan32]

I actually think someone like collison would make a bigger difference then most would expect, the sun's horrendous shooting output from their point guards last year lost them at least 10 games , collison is a great 3pt shooter that difference alone probably would have added at least 5 wins last year if not a few more

I agree. Suns don't necessarily need a "star" at PG. They just need someone who can handle the basic point guard duties, hit an open three, and defend. Honestly, the Suns looked good last year for a brief stretch when everyone was healthy and Johnson settled in.

 

[Mainstreet]

No it isn’t.

I have found him to be very accurate when it comes to his suns news.

People try to claim he got the draft wrong last year, but he didn’t. The news he reported only turned out wrong once philly offered bridges.

If he says Holmes is gone I believe him.

Gambadoro gets some things right but he is not my first choice for breaking Suns news.

 

[SirStefan32]

This would concern me more if not for Gambo's record of being wrong almost all of the time.

That said, if the Suns let Holmes go, it will be a huge mistake. He was one of their biggest difference-makers last season.

I agree. I want the Suns to bring back Holmes and Oubre. Those two did an amazing job last year with their energy, defense, attitude, and hard work. They each have some major flaws in their game, but they play hard, defend, and have a little bit of a nasty attitude. Those are exactly the players you want to keep.

 

[Yuma]

I just read Bleacher Report saying we have a priority on signing Oubre. Supposedly we want Dinwiddie and possibly Tobias Harris. Plus Gambo said previously we were interested in Julius Randle. We can kind of see what they are rumored to be interested in.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just read Bleacher Report saying we have a priority on signing Oubre. Supposedly we want Dinwiddie and possibly Tobias Harris. Plus Gambo said previously we were interested in Julius Randle. We can kind of see what they are rumored to be interested in.

It's great to hear. I knew I should have subscribed to The Athletic when they had that special over Memorial Day.

 

[1Sun]

I agree. Suns don't necessarily need a "star" at PG. They just need someone who can handle the basic point guard duties, hit an open three, and defend. Honestly, the Suns looked good last year for a brief stretch when everyone was healthy and Johnson settled in.

A brief stretch, as in a single week. They looked good for a single week in December as well. Don't be fooled there.

 

[Mainstreet]

A brief stretch, as in a single week. They looked good for a single week in December as well. Don't be fooled there.

We really don't know because injuries occurred shortly afterwards.

 

[1Sun]

We really don't know because injuries occurred shortly afterwards.

But before the injuries occurred, the team had come crashing back to earth already, most notably in that blow-out home loss to Utah.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Its funny to read the Nets boards and Suns boards on RealGM. Nets guys value Dinwiddie less than the Suns guys do. Both teams fans talking about a deal. You would think something should be able to be done that would make both teams happy.

When another team’s fans don’t value their player I say “buyer beware.” I was totally pro dinwiddie. But if nets fans don’t value him I’m unsure how much we should either . . .

 

[Hoop Head]

When another team’s fans don’t value their player I say “buyer beware.” I was totally pro dinwiddie. But if nets fans don’t value him I’m unsure how much we should either . . .

Nets fans seem convinced they're getting Kyrie so it's not so much they don't like Dinwiddie but they think getting value for him now is better than waiting. I view this similar to when the Suns almost signed Aldridge. Everyone was game to send Markieff out for whatever he could bring back, if anything, but when the deal fell through we were left with a disgruntled starter who had basically been replaced by the fans without doing anything other than playing to his peak. Of course Markieff had issues playing without Marcus but I think it is similar if you don't involve the weird twin drama.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nets fans seem convinced they're getting Kyrie so it's not so much they don't like Dinwiddie but they think getting value for him now is better than waiting. I view this similar to when the Suns almost signed Aldridge. Everyone was game to send Markieff out for whatever he could bring back, if anything, but when the deal fell through we were left with a disgruntled starter who had basically been replaced by the fans without doing anything other than playing to his peak. Of course Markieff had issues playing without Marcus but I think it is similar if you don't involve the weird twin drama.

That is considerably different than the way I remember it. Once the Marcus trade occurred, Markieff did the exact opposite of "playing to his peak". He actively sabotaged us and the cries to get rid of him came about because he was clearly dogging it, prior to that he still had a lot of supporters. It wasn't until well after the season started that fans reached the point where they'd take anything back for him. There were some fans still upset over the off the court incident but Marcus was the only one I expected us to trade due to his run-ins with the head coach.

 

[Hoop Head]

That is considerably different than the way I remember it. Once the Marcus trade occurred, Markieff did the exact opposite of "playing to his peak". He actively sabotaged us and the cries to get rid of him came about because he was clearly dogging it, prior to that he still had a lot of supporters. It wasn't until well after the season started that fans reached the point where they'd take anything back for him. There were some fans still upset over the off the court incident but Marcus was the only one I expected us to trade due to his run-ins with the head coach.

I know Markieff whined during the next season, I meant playing up until we went after Aldridge. We had a so-so year the year prior and Markieff had a good season but then free agency rolls around and we rolled out the red carpet for Markieff's replacement. Markieff had just received an extension from us, like Dinwiddie did with Brooklyn, and looked to be a part of their future, like Markieff was in Phoenix, but that all changed once free agency started. I know Markieff seemed more turned off by trading Marcus than signing Aldridge but it's similar in how he thought he was a piece for the future and then next thing you know, the teams they signed extensions with are looking to max out All-Stars who play the same position, leaving them as the odd man out.

If we had signed Aldridge, we would have shopped Markieff, most likely, since his role would have been filled. We might have kept him because he was on a team friendly deal but we didn't need to worry about keeping him because he didn't factor into the core any longer and wouldn't have been a starter, similar to what will happen with Dinwiddie if Kyrie is signed in Brooklyn. Dinwiddie's value will go down if they wait until Kyrie is signed. They can get more now and if it looks like a sure thing Kyrie is going to Brooklyn anyway, then you might want to take that chance if you're Brooklyn.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know Markieff whined during the next season, I meant playing up until we went after Aldridge. We had a so-so year the year prior and Markieff had a good season but then free agency rolls around and we rolled out the red carpet for Markieff's replacement. Markieff had just received an extension from us, like Dinwiddie did with Brooklyn, and looked to be a part of their future, like Markieff was in Phoenix, but that all changed once free agency started. I know Markieff seemed more turned off by trading Marcus than signing Aldridge but it's similar in how he thought he was a piece for the future and then next thing you know, the teams they signed extensions with are looking to max out All-Stars who play the same position, leaving them as the odd man out.

If we had signed Aldridge, we would have shopped Markieff, most likely, since his role would have been filled. We might have kept him because he was on a team friendly deal but we didn't need to worry about keeping him because he didn't factor into the core any longer and wouldn't have been a starter, similar to what will happen with Dinwiddie if Kyrie is signed in Brooklyn. Dinwiddie's value will go down if they wait until Kyrie is signed. They can get more now and if it looks like a sure thing Kyrie is going to Brooklyn anyway, then you might want to take that chance if you're Brooklyn.

Actually Markieff played some of his best ball at the center spot when Frye was playing PF next to him so I'm sure we were planning on playing them together.

We were committed to splitting up the twins after that gym fight and Marcus was the obvious choice to go due to his clashes with Hornacek. Maybe we would have moved Keef even if he'd played hard but I don't think so, Sarver got along great with the twins and I don't think he was thrilled about moving Marcus in the first place (just a guess). IMO The whining wasn't that big of a deal, him just going through the motions and sabotaging us night after night forced us to make the move.

But all that aside, I understand what you're saying about Dinwiddie. I don't know about his value going down though. We hear that said often when a team is kind of forced to sell but it all depends on who wants him. If there's multiple teams in play, the fact the guy is excess to needs means little, the market will determine his value.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When another team’s fans don’t value their player I say “buyer beware.” I was totally pro dinwiddie. But if nets fans don’t value him I’m unsure how much we should either . . .

Naw. I think all the New Yorkers with self-image issues cheer for the Nets! The arrogant delusional ones go for the Knicks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is considerably different than the way I remember it. Once the Marcus trade occurred, Markieff did the exact opposite of "playing to his peak". He actively sabotaged us and the cries to get rid of him came about because he was clearly dogging it, prior to that he still had a lot of supporters. It wasn't until well after the season started that fans reached the point where they'd take anything back for him. There were some fans still upset over the off the court incident but Marcus was the only one I expected us to trade due to his run-ins with the head coach.

You remember correctly.

 

[Mainstreet]

But before the injuries occurred, the team had come crashing back to earth already, most notably in that blow-out home loss to Utah.

You have referred to the loss to Utah loss before but that is only one game. The Suns have a history of getting blown out by the Jazz.

 

[1Sun]

You have referred to the loss to Utah loss before but that is only one game. The Suns have a history of getting blown out by the Jazz.

Not by 17 points at home in a game that was never even that close

 

[Mainstreet]

Not by 17 points at home in a game that was never even that close

Losing badly to the Jazz is nothing new. It's almost like they have the Suns number.

 

[1Sun]

Losing badly to the Jazz is nothing new. It's almost like they have the Suns number.

Also, that wasn't the only loss with the full new line-up, just the most notable in what happened to be the last game with the full new line-up.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How many people here believe that when an absolutely horrible team gets healthy and then shows significant improvement, the improvement only matters if the team goes on to win every game afterwards?

 

[Raindog]

The rumor that seems to be gaining legs is Dinwiddie, Nets pick at 17, and Musa for the 6th pick, plus (one would assume) whatever contract is necessary to balance trade. If that is true, I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The rumor that seems to be gaining legs is Dinwiddie, Nets pick at 17, and Musa for the 6th pick, plus (one would assume) whatever contract is necessary to balance trade. If that is true, I would do that in a heartbeat.

Is it a rumor or just a lot of people passing around something someone said on a chat board or that Sidery concocted?

 

[Yuma]

The rumor that seems to be gaining legs is Dinwiddie, Nets pick at 17, and Musa for the 6th pick, plus (one would assume) whatever contract is necessary to balance trade. If that is true, I would do that in a heartbeat.

Musa. Wow. Talk about your throw in player. This guy almost registers no minutes per game. Mostly a G leager. Without a guy on our side to see why Musa is included, I am flumoxed why he's part of the deal. An unused g leage SF! We don't need MORE of those. Like I said, this deal is missing who we send on our side that we would need Musa's small contract in on this.

 

[Raindog]

This time of the year, who knows how legit a rumor it is. But it seems to be coming from sources (legit or not) on the Nets side of things.

I assume either Warren or Jackson would be included in any deal like this. Warren seems to line up best, since his salary is close to matching Dinwiddie's.

 

[Yuma]

The rumor that seems to be gaining legs is Dinwiddie, Nets pick at 17, and Musa for the 6th pick, plus (one would assume) whatever contract is necessary to balance trade. If that is true, I would do that in a heartbeat.

That's like saying, we will give you X for that Big Mac you got there. Wait! Why do I have to take a peice of poop on the same plate? I am trading you something good for it!