OK, I've seen enough of Kurt today

[Russ Smith]

Well, down 14 they came out throwing and it led to being down 21. Regardless, I'm a firm believer that a team shouldn't alter their approach so early. Generally speaking, it just compounds the issue.

To me, it's the equivalent of trying to hit a 5 run home run.

Unfortunately, the bigger problem under Whis as OC has been predictability. That improved against Chicago.

So now you're saying throwing one pass on first down equals coming out throwing? Coming out throwing implies repeatedly, we have no idea what the rest of that drive would have been like because the first play was a picksix.

For all we know they would have continued to mix the plays but suddenly we're down 21 and Whiz wanted to try and get a score before half and threw again, another pick.

The reality was Kurt had a bad game, and then followed it up with a brilliant game. It wasn't the playcalling in either game it was execution one game after not executing the week before.

Kurt himself was ESPN2 this morning and he said the difference was we didn't try and get big plays that weren't there, we took what they gave us and didn't force the ball downfield.

 

[moklerman]

It wasn't the playcalling in either game it was execution one game after not executing the week before.

I really don't see it that way and the offense struggled for more than just the Carolina game. Even the Jacksonville game didn't seem like the offense was really clicking.

Also, the bubble screen was much more prevalent in the Chicago game than it has been all year. Screens were being called at much better times(even though Hightower dropped a couple of them). The TE's were much more involved in the passing game as well.

I certainly don't see how the Chicago game would be considered the same play calling as we've seen all year but the players finally started executing properly.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He has no reply.He has NO POINT.Me thinks he's one of the many Matt dreamers that dominate the main CARDINALS board.Its pure insanity over there.

He is going to be the QB sooner or later. The Matt-Bashers are just as stupid and over-dramatic as the Matt-Lovers.

And the Warnerphiles ????

No comment........

Eventhough, to be fair, I believe I saw a negative thread created by Moklerman, on Kurt Warner last week. Needless to say I sent a sweater to hell, Attn: Satan.



How about 2 facts:

Fact: Warner is going to have "one of those days" every now and then. Might be worth buying into the fact that when Warner is "off" he is "off". Nothing is going to get him on track.

Fact: Leinart is our QOF.

Until those change, by way of our coaches, or by some fate beyond what the last 10 years have told us, the situation is what it is.

Not much to debate about IMO, at least not for 8 pages.

 

[Russ Smith]

I really don't see it that way and the offense struggled for more than just the Carolina game. Even the Jacksonville game didn't seem like the offense was really clicking.

Also, the bubble screen was much more prevalent in the Chicago game than it has been all year. Screens were being called at much better times(even though Hightower dropped a couple of them). The TE's were much more involved in the passing game as well.

I certainly don't see how the Chicago game would be considered the same play calling as we've seen all year but the players finally started executing properly.

We ran more 2 TE sets I would guess(don't know for sure). As for the TE's more involved, there were 2 TD passes to TE's on Sunday and neither one was by design, they were both checkdowns when the primary option wasn't open. Hell the one to Patrick he was like 3rd or 4th read, I was watching ESPN yesterday and Jaws was praising Kurt on that play for having the cool to sit there and go through the reads, fake, "reset his feet" and find the TE.

The one to Becht he wasn't the first read either from the way it looked. Hard to be sure but Kurt was looking at Fitz, pumped to him and then came back to Becht who was inside Fitz. Maybe that was by design hard to know.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009110801/2009/REG9/cardinals@bears#tab:watch

That's the point I've been trying to make, if you base the perception of playcall on where the ball ends up, you're missing out. Teams are good in the NFL they often take away the first option and the ball goes somewhere else.

I've been saying since last year use the TE's more, Patrick had 11 catches last year, which led our TE's. Kurt has really never thrown to the TE much in his career, he's always had elite WR's on the good teams he's been on. This year if we play more 2 TE, as I think we should, he'll have to start using them, so it was nice to see him do just that Sunday.

Chicago was missing key players all over the field, no Urlacher, Harris out, missing 2 starters in their secondary etc.

 

[40yearfan]

Hey I was the one that gave you a million dollars just for the heck of it.You did'nt ask for it.You also NEVER thanked me for it when I only had a few million.I only saw you complain you did'nt have much money and I gave to you.I just gave when I did'nt have much.I like you jaguar.Glad to have another Matty fan aboard.Don't spend that at any of his parties now.lol

No people don't have time to post at ALL when Kurt Warner plays well but they find time to make plenty of POSTS,not threads when Warner plays bad.I'm retired and have plenty of time to post POSITIVE STUFF every day I can.Nothing negative about Matt.His time won't start till Kurt is gone if they want to pay him his bonus'.We'll have to see.

I'm so glad you quoted me panther .That needed to be reminded here that there is no qbotf on this team.

This is Warners team.Whiz has proven that.He won't lose it by injury either.

Which by the way,every summer the Matt lovers only post how old man kurt won't make it to game five and Matt will step in and lead the team to glory.

Yet the old man KEEPS ON TICKING AWAY.To the tune of **5** Touchdowns and could have been many more against this defense if Whiz would have let Warner go for them.Belicheat lets Brady rack them up.

Even after Warner wreck of a week last week he is only one touchdown behind 2 quarterbacks in the league on TD passes.So everyone can calm down about KURT WARNER for a few weeks now.Its not CRITICAL.

It just tickles you to death that an old guy like Warner can be so productive, doesn't it?

PS: Me too. Us old guys have to stick together.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It just tickles you to death that an old guy like Warner can be so productive, doesn't it?

PS: Me too. Us old guys have to stick together.

Wow!

Are you saying that Doug might have been around to see your 13 birthday ?

I better stop with the old jokes or I could be caned to death in AZ.

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[40yearfan]

Wow!

Are you saying that Doug might have been around to see your 13 birthday ?

I better stop with the old jokes or I could be caned to death in AZ.

You must be registered for see images attach

Pertinent young whippersnapper.

 

[moklerman]

I've been saying since last year use the TE's more, Patrick had 11 catches last year, which led our TE's. Kurt has really never thrown to the TE much in his career, he's always had elite WR's on the good teams he's been on. This year if we play more 2 TE, as I think we should, he'll have to start using them, so it was nice to see him do just that Sunday.

I have no way to know for sure about the TE's in terms of the play calling either but I know the running game and quick screens to the WR's were called more than they have all year. That isn't to say Whis completely revamped his approach but a few little things here and there were improved IMO. It could just be the difference between a healthy Doucet compared to a hobbled Boldin.

I haven't re-watched the game yet so I'll have to try and see if there's anything I can identify and point to or if it just seemed better compared to week's past.

As far as Warner throwing the to his TE's, Conwell, Robinson and Shockey all were thrown the ball on a regular basis so I don't think it's a foreign concept to him. But it does lead me back to a point that I think is true. Warner spreads the ball around much better, it seems, with Boldin out of the lineup.

 

[Russ Smith]

I have no way to know for sure about the TE's in terms of the play calling either but I know the running game and quick screens to the WR's were called more than they have all year. That isn't to say Whis completely revamped his approach but a few little things here and there were improved IMO. It could just be the difference between a healthy Doucet compared to a hobbled Boldin.

I haven't re-watched the game yet so I'll have to try and see if there's anything I can identify and point to or if it just seemed better compared to week's past.

As far as Warner throwing the to his TE's, Conwell, Robinson and Shockey all were thrown the ball on a regular basis so I don't think it's a foreign concept to him. But it does lead me back to a point that I think is true. Warner spreads the ball around much better, it seems, with Boldin out of the lineup.

I agree on the screens and I think that probably was a Doucet to Boldin thing, Anquan hasn't had any burst after the catch so they weren't doing that to him.

On TE's, 99 they threw 530 passes, 31 catches by the TE, about 9% of the completions were to TE's.

2000 383 completions, 16 to the TE's(Conwell had 5 all year) that's 4%.

2001 379 completions, 50 to the TE(Conwell had 38). That's 13%.

I thought 99 was their best overall offensive year they would have scored even more points if they didn't have such big leads in the first half. Warner had something like 29 TD passes in just the first half of games.

2001 was their best record of the 3 year run, 14-2 regular season.

So I guess we could say one of those 3 years they used the TE's quite a bit, one year a fair amount, one very littl. 2000 wasn't all Warner, he got hurt and Green played too.

 

[PACardsFan]

I have no way to know for sure about the TE's in terms of the play calling either but I know the running game and quick screens to the WR's were called more than they have all year. That isn't to say Whis completely revamped his approach but a few little things here and there were improved IMO. It could just be the difference between a healthy Doucet compared to a hobbled Boldin.

I haven't re-watched the game yet so I'll have to try and see if there's anything I can identify and point to or if it just seemed better compared to week's past.

As far as Warner throwing the to his TE's, Conwell, Robinson and Shockey all were thrown the ball on a regular basis so I don't think it's a foreign concept to him. But it does lead me back to a point that I think is true. Warner spreads the ball around much better, it seems, with Boldin out of the lineup.

That's because Boldin cries when the ball isn't thrown his way!!