On-side kicks

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wouldn't be surprised to the NFL do away with the type of kick that got Fitz injured.

I don't think they'll do away with onside kick altogether rather the kind that pops into the air and leaves the receiver defenseless like what happened to Larry. I don't know what rule they could come up with but I think something will be done.

To me that play has the potential to cause more head injuries, injuries in general, than hits in the open field. You have about 6 guys running 10 yards and launching themselves into a guy trying to field the ball. A guy of Fitz's stature getting concussed will defnitely raise the league's awareness on plays like that.

 

[NJCardFan]

I wouldn't be surprised to the NFL do away with the type of kick that got Fitz injured.

I don't think they'll do away with onside kick altogether rather the kind that pops into the air and leaves the receiver defenseless like what happened to Larry. I don't know what rule they could come up with but I think something will be done.

To me that play has the potential to cause more head injuries, injuries in general, than hits in the open field. You have about 6 guys running 10 yards and launching themselves into a guy trying to field the ball. A guy of Fitz's stature getting concussed will defnitely raise the league's awareness on plays like that.

Yeah, that's what we need, more regulation to limit play in the league. At what point do they change to a flag football league?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah, that's what we need, more regulation to limit play in the league. At what point do they change to a flag football league?

Consistency.

If a receiver is defenseless and hitting with the crown of your helmet is illegal when thrown from a QB, why isn't it illegal when the ball is kicked off of the ground?

They pushed back kickoffs 5 yards due to the amount of crazy hits that people take, and yet the common onside tactic is to have the first wave of players get a 10 yard head start and just hit the guy as hard as you can?

I agree with Cbus that something should be done. I just have no idea what.

 

[Buckybird]

I wouldn't be surprised to the NFL do away with the type of kick that got Fitz injured.

I don't think they'll do away with onside kick altogether rather the kind that pops into the air and leaves the receiver defenseless like what happened to Larry. I don't know what rule they could come up with but I think something will be done.

To me that play has the potential to cause more head injuries, injuries in general, than hits in the open field. You have about 6 guys running 10 yards and launching themselves into a guy trying to field the ball. A guy of Fitz's stature getting concussed will defnitely raise the league's awareness on plays like that.

They might as well fold up the tent, teach all the players how to play bad mitten & burn down every empty stadium if it does indeed ever happen! At some point all the BS has to stop, especially the ******* players who are causing this with their "pay me or sue me attitude" Because of injuries! Its football dammit. Past & future players are 100% responsible for ruining NFL as we knew it IMO

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They might as well fold up the tent, teach all the players how to play bad mitten & burn down every empty stadium if it does indeed ever happen! At some point all the BS has to stop, especially the ******* players who are causing this with their "pay me or sue me attitude" Because of injuries! Its football dammit. Past & future players are 100% responsible for ruining NFL as we knew it IMO

Not sure if this post is dripping with sarcasm or not.......

 

[Jetstream Green]

They do not have to change it, but rather enforce the rules. The rule still applies that a receiver must have ample space to catch the ball regardless of where it happens on the field on a ball in the air. That was a penalty for not providing the returner (and that was what Fitz was on the field) room in attempting to catch the ball. I think the hit to the head was incidental but if it is illegal, then you call it because one cannot get subjective with a rule. So two penalties happened on that play.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They do not have to change it, but rather enforce the rules. The rule still applies that a receiver must have ample space to catch the ball regardless of where it happens on the field on a ball in the air. That was a penalty for not providing the returner (and that was what Fitz was on the field) room in attempting to catch the ball. I think the hit to the head was incidental but if it is illegal, then you call it because one cannot get subjective with a rule. So two penalties happened on that play.

The first rule that you talk about doesn't apply because the ball had already hit the ground. The rule isn't the same as returning a punt for example.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Did not know that. thanks. I'm not being sarcastic here but the tee then counts as the ball touching the ground after leaving the foot I guess

 

[thephoenixson28]

This would be dumb. It's part of the game, if Fitz doesn't get hurt we wouldn't be talking about this.

 

[cardncubfan]

Consistency.

If a receiver is defenseless and hitting with the crown of your helmet is illegal when thrown from a QB, why isn't it illegal when the ball is kicked off of the ground?

They pushed back kickoffs 5 yards due to the amount of crazy hits that people take, and yet the common onside tactic is to have the first wave of players get a 10 yard head start and just hit the guy as hard as you can?

I agree with Cbus that something should be done. I just have no idea what.

Definitely agree with this.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Did not know that. thanks. I'm not being sarcastic here but the tee then counts as the ball touching the ground after leaving the foot I guess

Even though the ball is on a tee, the kicker hits the ball near the very top of the ball causing it to hit the ground and then bounce really high.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This would be dumb. It's part of the game, if Fitz doesn't get hurt we wouldn't be talking about this.

I beg to differ. There is always a discussion about illegal hits. There was talk about Johnson hit in the end zone, and no one got hurt there.

 

[juza76]

Why there was not protection to the jumper during onside kick.if there was 2 guys in front of him,he could catch the ball easily

 

[thephoenixson28]

I beg to differ. There is always a discussion about illegal hits. There was talk about Johnson hit in the end zone, and no one got hurt there.

Then eliminate kicking in General. It's football injury are going to happen no matter what sport you play. People need to quit sugar coating this sport it's a physical game. Play it the way it should be played.

 

[thephoenixson28]

Why there was not protection to the jumper during onside kick.if there was 2 guys in front of him,he could catch the ball easily

It was a great onside kick, Fitz had to go up high for it.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Then eliminate kicking in General. It's football injury are going to happen no matter what sport you play. People need to quit sugar coating this sport it's a physical game. Play it the way it should be played.

There should always be rules regulating safety. Even the UFC has rules and that is hand to hand combat if you will.

It was a great onside kick, Fitz had to go up high for it.

Absolutely. I said the exact same thing to my wife when it was kicked. I told her the ball must have gone 30 feet in the air.

 

[thephoenixson28]

There should always be rules regulating safety. Even the UFC has rules and that is hand to hand combat if you will.



Absolutely. I said the exact same thing to my wife when it was kicked. I told her the ball must have gone 30 feet in the air.

But you can't continue to eliminate the stuff that you have no control over. Just cuz they eliminate hits like that, doesn't mean it won't happen, and flagging a guy that is trying to make a play. That's why plays like rashard johnson gets penalized. And you bring up UFC, just imagine if they eliminated submissions, or they fought with soccem bobbers(Just being sarcastic) what would you think about it.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But you can't continue to eliminate the stuff that you have no control over. Just cuz they eliminate hits like that, doesn't mean it won't happen, and flagging a guy that is trying to make a play. That's why plays like rashard johnson gets penalized. And you bring up UFC, just imagine if they eliminated submissions, or they fought with soccem bobbers(Just being sarcastic) what would you think about it.

Plays like Johnson get flagged because the officials made a mistake, and the NFL is unwilling to review/admit when they make one.

You aren't allowed to bite in the UFC, no eye gouging or intentionally hitting in the groin. People accidentally get kicked in the groin, but it is still against the rules to do so. I'm not understanding your logic here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Look at Antonio Brown taking out the punter in the Bengals game last night. Those are the types of plays that should be eliminated, ESPECIALLY since you CAN control them.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...ly-done-season-broken-jaw-223637096--nfl.html

 

[Shane]

Less regulation of this game needed not more.

 

[Duckjake]

College football has already made changes.

Additional protection to the kick returner. Through officiating interpretation, kick returners are provided protection of 1 yard (in front of the returner) to complete a catch before the kicking team is allowed to make contact. Also, receiving teams can call for a fair catch on onside kicks that are driven directly into the ground but that don’t bounce a second time.

Kickoff and touchback starting lines moved. Kickoffs will take place at the 35-yard line (instead of at the 30), and kicking team players must be no more than 5 yards from the 35 at the kick. This is intended to limit the running start kicking teams have during the play. The touchback distance on free kicks also has been moved to the 25-yard line instead of the 20 to encourage more touchbacks. NCAA data indicate injuries during kickoffs occur more often than in other phases of the game.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Less regulation of this game needed not more.

Wait until someone makes an illegal hit and heaven forbid the guy dies. Then the player, the team, and the NFL is sued for liability.

It already happens in the NHL and people are tried and convicted of assault. Holding the team and the NFL liable is the next logical step.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My point was, the NFL is making all these safety concessions and this play seems to be the among the more dangerous plays.

It wasn't about whether they need to "toughen up" the game. That ship has sailed. The game is going to become more legislated. I don't necessarily agree with all the changes but they are here to stay.

I think the NFL did change a rule a fews years ago that made it illegal to lineup more guys on one the side of the kicker to prevent 10 guys from going after the kick.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Who were the other ten guys on the field with Fitz? Were the team's best blockers out there in front of him?

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[NJCardFan]

Look at Antonio Brown taking out the punter in the Bengals game last night. Those are the types of plays that should be eliminated, ESPECIALLY since you CAN control them.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...ly-done-season-broken-jaw-223637096--nfl.html

Then you're comparing apples to oranges. The hit on Fitz was not malicious or dirty while Brown's hit was malicious and dirty and he should be suspended. The guy who hit Fitz was going for the ball, nothing more. He wasn't making a beeline for Fitz in his best Juggernaut impression. Brown floored Huber because he was a coward and knew he could crush a punter. I bet Brown wouldn't hit a linebacker in a million years like that.

As was said, football is a physical sport. Want to cut down on injuries? Compel all players to wear the proper equipment including mouth pieces and penalize them if they aren't wearing them on the field. High School does this(15 yard penalty if you're not wearing your mouthpiece). I mean, what's the point in cutting down hitting. I understand the concept of not allowing someone to launch themselves but if a player makes a big hit and they don't leave their feet to do it, how is that a penalty? And don't get me started on the unprotected receiver crap. I mean, what's the point of being a defensive back if you have to wait, not only for the receiver to catch the ball, but for them to actually establish possession and make a "football move" before making the hit. And we wonder why we have QB's putting up crazy numbers.