Ossenfort and Free Agency

[Stout]

Murphy and Allen production can be replaced in FA AND the draft. Might already be close to replacing even.

Thank you, sir!

We might be close to plugging holes Monti helped make, more than a year latter? Does this mean we'll finally have the roster ship-shape by 2026? lol

 

[Cheesebeef]

Murphy and Allen production can be replaced in FA AND the draft. Might already be close to replacing even.

Thank you, sir!

There is no basis in reality for the idea that we’re already close to even. Williams was okay and then injured and Stills ain’t close to the player Allen is.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Heck, I'll even be fair and spot you a Kyzir White and a Frodo (who aren't on long-term deals, which creates its own headaches, but whatever). Do you think we're walking away with 4-6 FA starters this coming offseason? I sure don't.

Has there EVER been a FA period that walks away with 4-6 starters?

 

[Mulli]

I didn't research the players and don't care to waste my time to do so, as it's in the past. Don't tell me you're in the "well, if you don't tell me exactly who you wanted you don't have any room to gripe" faction, are you? That's a poor argument.

Let's put it this way. We should have done more, and not doing so leaves us with more holes now. Surely we can all agree on that simple fact.

I am also too lazy to look up what Allen and Murphy did for the Broncos and Vikings. I didn't notice Murphy on any of the Viking games I saw. Did he play?

 

[Stout]

Nice try. There isn't some magic number that says if you spent a lot or not in FA. We have gone round and round why they didn't spend last year.

They seem to have a vision and a plan for this year. If they don't get at least one above average starter this year, I will be very disappointed.

If we get one average starter and that's it, fire Monti. That would be beyond idiotic. We need reinforcements in FA. We need top end, proven talent on this team. Yes, we need to push the package beyond what the Cards are used to doing and what Bidwill is comfortable spending. That's the position we're in.

Or we can demur and target 2025 to compete.

 

[Stout]

Has there EVER been a FA period that walks away with 4-6 starters?

Precisely my point.

 

[Mulli]

There is no basis in reality for the idea that we’re already close to even. Williams was okay and then injured and Stills ain’t close to the player Allen is.

Are we referring to Allen's production in his contract year or all the others?

 

[Stout]

I am also too lazy to look up what Allen and Murphy did for the Broncos and Vikings. I didn't notice Murphy on any of the Viking games I saw. Did he play?

I'm too lazy to check

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Precisely my point.

I'll blame Monti if we don't draft 5 pro bowlers too.

 

[Mulli]

I'll blame Monti if we don't draft 5 pro bowlers too.

They MUST be free agent signings that are Pro Bowlers. Try and keep up.

 

[Stout]

I'll blame Monti if we don't draft 5 pro bowlers too.

Ha, nice try. I'm just saying we need to be aggressive. Nobody here really believes we will be. You don't. I don't.

 

[Mulli]

Ha, nice try. I'm just saying we need to be aggressive. Nobody here really believes we will be. You don't. I don't.

Someone posted a twitter meatball who quoted sources who said Cards will be aggressive. So there!

 

[oaken1]

I didn't research the players and don't care to waste my time to do so, as it's in the past. Don't tell me you're in the "well, if you don't tell me exactly who you wanted you don't have any room to gripe" faction, are you? That's a poor argument.

Let's put it this way. We should have done more, and not doing so leaves us with more holes now. Surely we can all agree on that simple fact.

not a poor argument. If a person cannot name who they thought would fit the team then they are simply bitching because its raining.
poo happens... but a rational man certainly would not expect Monti to spend money simply because he has money to spend. Thats the height of stupidity. cap dollars have to be well invested or else the team will suffer for years from those bad decisions.

if a person cannot present a reasonable plan for how they would have spent those cap dollars last season then they should simply never mention them again. Because it is only about spreading negativity and not about discussing football at all.
bitching because its raining

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ha, nice try. I'm just saying we need to be aggressive. Nobody here really believes we will be. You don't. I don't.

I actually think we will be more aggressive than less. But what does that (aggressive) mean to you?

Do we sign a top 5 free agent and consider that aggressive, I don't think so.
Do we sign at least 2 people that would start on more than half of the teams in this league, and probably at least one more starter for the Cards? I do. I think that is pretty aggressive, don't you?

 

[QuebecCard]

If we get one average starter and that's it, fire Monti. That would be beyond idiotic. We need reinforcements in FA. We need top end, proven talent on this team. Yes, we need to push the package beyond what the Cards are used to doing and what Bidwill is comfortable spending. That's the position we're in.

Or we can demur and target 2025 to compete.

Oops! my mistake. I thought the DNA would kick in at the start of the new business year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Ha, nice try. I'm just saying we need to be aggressive. Nobody here really believes we will be. You don't. I don't.

The question is: how far off are the Cardinals?

They were 3-5 in games started by Kyler Murray, and 1-9 in the rest. 75% of those wins came against playoff teams.

How much better would the team the team have been with Murray at QB? I think during the 1-9 stretch, they likely would have won 3 more games.

So my thoughts are this is a 7-10 roster which is pretty remarkable considering the overall view most have of this roster.

What that means is that I don't think the mountain is as high as you do. It's not a coincidence that the Eagles D fell off so hard after losing Gannon, and we all have commented how much better the OL and running game look.

 

[ajcardfan]

Um, source? How do you know we won't aggressively spend on FA this coming year?

Dude, it's the Cardinals. Look at the history.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If we get one average starter and that's it, fire Monti. That would be beyond idiotic. We need reinforcements in FA. We need top end, proven talent on this team. Yes, we need to push the package beyond what the Cards are used to doing and what Bidwill is comfortable spending. That's the position we're in.

Or we can demur and target 2025 to compete.

Yes the Cardinals have to get more than one starter via FA. I'm thinking at least 3-4 FAs who could be plugged in as starters. I'm targeting CB, DT, WR, Edge, TE, G.

playing off of PFF top FA list:

2024 NFL Free Agent Rankings: Top 200 players set to enter free agency

We look at the 200 best players set to hit the free-agent market this offseason with free agency still months away.

www.pff.com

I'm targeting players like the following:


#1: CB KENDALL FULLER, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS
Contract Projection: Three years, $40 million ($13.33 million per year), $25 million total guaranteed

#2: CB STEVEN NELSON, HOUSTON TEXANS
Contract Projection: Two years, $14.5 million ($7.25 million per year), $8.5 million total guaranteed

#3: DI SHELDON RANKINS, HOUSTON TEXANS
Contract Projection: Two years, $20 million ($10 million per year), $12 million total guaranteed

#4: LB AZEEZ AL-SHAAIR, TENNESSEE TITANS
Contract Projection: Three years, $20.25 million ($6.75 million per year), $11.5 million total guaranteed

#5: DI TEAIR TART, TENNESSEE TITANS
Contract Projection: Three years, $31.5 million ($10.5 million per year), $20.5 million total guaranteed

#6: DI FLETCHER COX, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
Contract Projection: One year, $9 million fully guaranteed

#7: WR TYLER BOYD, CINCINNATI BENGALS
Contract Projection: Two years, $17.5 million ($8.75 million per year), $10.75 million total guaranteed

#8: S JORDAN FULLER, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Contract Projection: Two years, $9.25 million ($4.625 million per year), $6.25 million total guaranteed

#9: EDGE DORANCE ARMSTRONG, DALLAS COWBOYS
Contract Projection: Three years, $25.5 million ($8.5 million per year), $15.5 million total guaranteed


If the Cardinals could land 3-4 of these middle tier FAs I think that would be a win. Then toss in a bunch of Vet minimum ish FAs for depth.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Has there EVER been a FA period that walks away with 4-6 starters?

Patriots in 2021. Spent a record amount in 1 year.

 

[netsnjkidd]

But that doesn’t mean to expect star level play from guys who have had only minuscule flashes of talent.

100%.Still with guy like BJ Olujari who plenty scouts had him as a sleeper, steal of draft who was said to be hasson reddick like. Id be shocked other than injury if he doesnt show starter level type play next season,might get flashes of a star. He was youngest player drafted in the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

Still has replaced Allen and Williams has replaced Murphy.

So who replaced JJ Watt?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Patriots in 2021. Spent a record amount in 1 year.

Okay. I have to give you that one. It definitely seems to be an outlier, I think we can agree to that.

Even so, look at that list.
Other than Judon and probably Henry, it doesn't look like money well spent. It shows the point of spending, just to spend isn't a good strategy. They didn't exactly light the world on fire with that 137.5M spent.

Matthew Judon, LB	$32M
Jonnu Smith, TE	$31.25M
Hunter Henry, TE	$25M
Nelson Agholor, WR	$16M
Deatrich Wise Jr., DE	$10M
Jalen Mills, S	$9M
Davon Godchaux, DT	$9M
Kendrick Bourne, WR	$5.25M
Total	$137.5M

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dude, it's the Cardinals. Look at the history.

There is a lot validity to that. Most of their history, they have been the poorest franchise in the league. That isn't a surprise.

They did spend big on JJ Watt even though it was a two year deal. The Cards aren't immune to free agent signings.

You don't think that we sign at least one above average starter in free agency? If so, wager?

 

[Stout]

not a poor argument. If a person cannot name who they thought would fit the team then they are simply bitching because its raining.
poo happens... but a rational man certainly would not expect Monti to spend money simply because he has money to spend. Thats the height of stupidity. cap dollars have to be well invested or else the team will suffer for years from those bad decisions.

if a person cannot present a reasonable plan for how they would have spent those cap dollars last season then they should simply never mention them again. Because it is only about spreading negativity and not about discussing football at all.
bitching because its raining

Schoolyard reasoning. Please do better lol

 

[Stout]

Oops! my mistake. I thought the DNA would kick in at the start of the new business year.

Troll on, brotha. You're a 1st rounder at the position