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Tom should have known from the beginning that this is how San Diego has done business...especially since he's the agent of both Antonio Gates and Manti Te'o...and Te'o should have been drafted and signed with the new CBA, right?

Sounds like Condon did know, which is why he is offering either no offsets or money up front. This is what I posted earlier in this thread:

The more I read about this, the more I think the Chargers have no clue what it's doing.

The team is trying to have its cake and eat it too. Since 2012, every #3 pick has either had offset language removed from the contract, or the signing bonus was paid in full by the end of the player's rookie season. The Chargers want offset language and to complete payoff of bonuses by March 2017. Just in this draft, by comparison, Goff and Ramsay, who went #1 and #5, have no offset language in their contracts and will have their bonuses paid by the end of 2016, so the Bosa camp has been pretty flexible.

By the way, Bosa's agent is Tom Condon. Who TF does Tom Telesco think he is? The Bosa camp has been more than flexible, just do the damn deal and move on.

In short, what San Diego is proposing is very lopsided and not what an elite agent like Condon would accept.

The thing is the Bosa camp isnt trying to set a new precedent. It is just following old precedent.
 
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I should add that the team does not have PR on its side, which is another reason why it should be more accommodating in these negotiations to try to at least polish a turd.

The stadium is still a ********.

The team may or may not be in San Diego next season, which is cause for trepidation by the fans and incoming players.

I'm also not sure whether or not the stench of AJ Smith has been completely removed from the front office.

And last but not least, the worst rookie holdout since 2011 on its hands. These negotiations do not bode well for future negotiations for current players or incoming rookies/free agents.
 

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The Chargers remind me of the old Cardinals before Michael B took over and UoP Stadium opened up plus throw in a little sprinkle of Rod Graves.

Give this man a cookie.

Look how many players (CJ2K and Gresham) turned down far more money from other teams to play for AZ.

How many players did that during the Rod Graves era?

Oftentimes, money is not the most important aspect in these contract negotiations.
 

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The Chargers are really hurting their image around the league. Thank God we don't do this penny-pinching crap any more. San Diego is now the armpit of the NFL, as Simeon Rice might put it.
 

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Exactly. Bosa wants special treatment compared to everyone else on the roster.

Or that he was the #3 overall pick and wants his contract structured similarly to how other #3 overall picks have had since 2011.

There is no special treatment going on here, except to say that the way that the Chargers FO is treating this is...well...special.
 

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Or that he was the #3 overall pick and wants his contract structured similarly to how other #3 overall picks have had since 2011.

There is no special treatment going on here, except to say that the way that the Chargers FO is treating this is...well...special.

Exactly.

Also, when it is Billionaires v. Millionaires does being on the side of the millionaires make me a communist?
 

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Or he wants the same treatment as all other High draft picks.

Or that he was the #3 overall pick and wants his contract structured similarly to how other #3 overall picks have had since 2011.

There is no special treatment going on here, except to say that the way that the Chargers FO is treating this is...well...special.

special treatment compared to others ON THE ROSTER

are those other #3 high draft picks on the roster?











nope. Just gonna go around and around. Chargers have their approach to contracts. Billys mom didn't make him sign offset language? Well Billys mom isn't here.
 

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special treatment compared to others ON THE ROSTER

are those other #3 high draft picks on the roster?











nope. Just gonna go around and around. Chargers have their approach to contracts. Billys mom didn't make him sign offset language? Well Billys mom isn't here.

This post is indicative of how much you know about negotiating rookie contracts in the NFL.
 

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This post is indicative of how much you know about negotiating rookie contracts in the NFL.

You have it in your mind that offset language is legally bound and set in stone by the CBA. Its not.

  • If the Chargers were legally obligated per the written rule of the CBA to rescind offset language......then why hasn't the NFL stepped in to punish SD for violating the CBA?

  • Because SD hasn't violated CBA.

  • Offset language isn't in the CBA.

  • Chargers can offer/not offer it at their discretion.


I understand you are going off the emotional platform of "whats fair", but legally, Chargers are 100% in the right.
 
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SD are doing a beautiful job for other teams, Bosa isn't asking too much, he is asking even less than other top picks get. Yes he will probably sign some day if SD stays this way, and yes other teams might ask similar things next year but SD will have the bad name. The rest is only following the new "common" sense.

I think Bosa might sign before the season starts even with both things I don't think he wants to lose a year of money but who knows.
 

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You have it in your mind that offset language is legally bound and set in stone by the CBA. Its not.

  • If the Chargers were legally obligated per the written rule of the CBA to rescind offset language......then why hasn't the NFL stepped in to punish SD for violating the CBA?

  • Because SD hasn't violated CBA.

  • Offset language isn't in the CBA.

  • Chargers can offer/not offer it at their discretion.


I understand you are going off the emotional platform of "whats fair", but legally, Chargers are 100% in the right.

So if they're "100% in the right," why is Bosa still in Florida while his teammates are in training camp?
 

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So if they're "100% in the right," why is Bosa still in Florida while his teammates are in training camp?


??? well that's easy, im not sure what your angle is on this one.

answer: Bosa is pouting because Chargers are being no fair. That's why.


*And lets be clear, Chargers are in fact being "no-fair", However....they are legally clean. And legality takes precedence over everything. Lifes not fair.
 

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??? well that's easy, im not sure what your angle is on this one.

answer: Bosa is pouting because Chargers are being no fair. That's why.


*And lets be clear, Chargers are in fact being "no-fair", However....they are legally clean. And legality takes precedence over everything. Lifes not fair.

Rod Graves was being "legally clean" when negotiating with Andre Wadsworth, Matt Leinart, Antrelle Rolle, Wendell Bryant, amongst others; and yet somehow, they all had lengthy holdouts.

The legality of the situation is non-sequitur. The Chargers are well within their right to offer what they're offering. Telesco and co. are just not being intelligent. Why is it that 31 other teams have yet to have this problem since the new CBA was agreed upon in 2011? Especially since every #3 pick since 2012 has received either more money up front or no offset language.

Literally, the entire framework of the contract is right in front of Telesco and he still can't figure out how to negotiate the deal. The Bosa camp is not trying to set a new precedent, but rather, willing to accept a deal similar to what the past four #3 picks received.

Bosa has every right to be pissed. It's a bad contract when compared to other rookie deals, pure and simple; and Tom Condon isn't going to let one of his clients sign a bad contract.
 

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Bosa has every right to be pissed. It's a bad contract when compared to other rookie deals, pure and simple; and Tom Condon isn't going to let one of his clients sign a bad contract.

No fair, but oh well. LNF. Fairness has no business in this world.

Bottom line: This is on Bosa to end holdout, not Chargers.

Solution: Bosa realizes lifes not fair. Signs contract. Plays it out. Becomes free agent and plays elsewhere in 4 years.

*and on a sidenote "bad contract". Kid whos never played a snap in the NFL is guaranteed $20mill and its a "bad contract". Bad "compared to others". The entitlement is staggering.
 
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no fair, no fair, no fair.

Bottom line: This is on Bosa to end holdout, not Chargers.

Solution: Bosa realizes lifes not fair. Signs contract. Plays it out. Becomes free agent and plays elsewhere in 4 years.

*and on a sidenote "bad contract". Kid whos never played a snap in the NFL is guaranteed $20mill and its a "bad contract".

Solid advice from Tom Condon. Sign a below market value contract because "life isn't fair." :doi:

This has to be the worst justification for any business deal ever.
 

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Solid advice from Tom Condon. Sign a below market value contract because "life isn't fair."

This has to be the worst justification for any business deal ever.

and that's a critical flaw in your reasoning.

Bosa is not a free agent. There is no "free market value" for him to choose from.

He was drafted. He belongs to San Diego against his will. He can either accept their offer, or sit. He has chosen to sit. There is no door #3. There is no market. There are no 31 other teams. It is Bosa and San Diego in a room alone.
 

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and that's a critical flaw in your reasoning.

Bosa is not a free agent. There is no "free market value" for him to choose from.

He was drafted. He belongs to San Diego against his will. He can either accept their offer, or sit. He has chosen to sit. There is no door #3. There is no market. There are no 31 other teams. It is Bosa and San Diego in a room alone.

You aren't thinking about any long term affects this could have. You think free agents, actual free agents will want to sign for SD with the way that they are handling their first round pick?
 

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You aren't thinking about any long term affects this could have. You think free agents, actual free agents will want to sign for SD with the way that they are handling their first round pick?


Maybe big free agents, but the majority of the NFL just want to have a job. Would you rather play for SD and their contract policies...or not be in the NFL?

Offset language truly isn't a big deal. Especially a player of Bosas caliber. Basically its bust insurance. Don't be a bust and you got nothing to worry about.
 

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Maybe big free agents, but the majority of the NFL just want to have a job. Would you rather play for SD and their contract policies...or not be in the NFL?

Offset language truly isn't a big deal. Especially a player of Bosas caliber. Basically its bust insurance. Don't be a bust and you got nothing to worry about.

These free agents do have a choice and can sign with 31 other teams though.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. This could be setting a pretty dangerous precedent for the rest of the league if SD 'wins.'
 

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These free agents do have a choice and can sign with 31 other teams though.

I agree.

But on this subject we're talking about Bosa vs SD. And Bosa is not a free agent. There is no market. SD is a mean, unfair boss, but ultimately Bosa is the one holding up the show.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. This could be setting a pretty dangerous precedent for the rest of the league if SD 'wins.'

It should have been in the new CBA in the first place. Im surprised offset language isn't already written into the new rookie pay system.

But its not. So here we are. Whenever the next lockout is, they'll surely write it into a new CBA then.
 

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and that's a critical flaw in your reasoning.

Bosa is not a free agent. There is no "free market value" for him to choose from.

He was drafted. He belongs to San Diego against his will. He can either accept their offer, or sit. He has chosen to sit. There is no door #3. There is no market. There are no 31 other teams. It is Bosa and San Diego in a room alone.
And there is a critical flaw in your reasoning. Because there is a door #3 and #4.

Bosa can sit out and re-enter the draft. Not going to happen though.

But what can and will happen if this continues. Boss waits until November 11 to sign. The dollar amount is locked under the CBA anyway so no change in the money he gets. Sure he has to accept the Chargers terms, but he get the same amount of money on a four year deal but only playing for 3 years, because his rookie season is done by mid November.

On top of that is the PR battle that the Chargers already have lost
 
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