OT Joey Bosa

[Bodha]

On top of that is the PR battle that the Chargers already have lost

Not really. Look around. Most Charger fans are team Chargers not team Bosa. Charger players like Antonio Gates are coming out saying Bosa needs to cut it out and get to work. And this isn't new. This is how SD has always done contracts for all its players. The rest of the NFL knows that. And Bosas mom making the Eli comment nailed it home. Most are not sympathetic towards Bosa.

Its ironic that I don't care about "fairness" because im not 6 years old, but honestly, San Diego is being very fair in the sense they are treating Bosa the same as every other player on the roster. #3 overall? Don't care. You get the same as every other Charger. That's fair and consistent.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not really. Look around. Most Charger fans are team Chargers not team Bosa. Charger players like Antonio Gates are coming out saying Bosa needs to cut it out and get to work. And this isn't new. This is how SD has always done contracts for all its players. The rest of the NFL knows that.

Its ironic that I don't care about "fairness" because im not 6 years old, but honestly, San Diego is being very fair in the sense they are treating Bosa the same as every other player on the roster. #3 overall? Don't care. You get the same as every other Charger. That's fair and consistent.

I actually agree with Bosa on this one. The longer he holds out, the harder it is going to be for him to earn the respect of his teammates.

 

[Bodha]

I actually agree with Bosa on this one. The longer he holds out, the harder it is going to be for him to earn the respect of his teammates.

Also all 53 Charger players have the same contract arrangement. Bosa wants something different.

Not only is he holding out, but say he "wins" and gets his demands (he wont), he will further ostracize himself from his teammates because his contract is special and different from theirs.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Also all 53 Charger players have the same contract arrangement. Bosa wants something different.

Not only is he holding out, but say he "wins" and gets his demands (he wont), he will further ostracize himself from his teammates because his contract is special and different from theirs.

1)1st round picks, especially high ones have always been treated differently. That is why they have their own verbage in the CBA.
2) If Bosa does win, he might change the way Charger contracts are done in the future. Sure that might bring some animosity at first, but overall it could be argued that he is doing it for the right reasons.

 

[Bodha]

1)1st round picks, especially high ones have always been treated differently. That is why they have their own verbage in the CBA.
2) If Bosa does win, he might change the way Charger contracts are done in the future. Sure that might bring some animosity at first, but overall it could be argued that he is doing it for the right reasons.

1) Not in San Diego. I respect their consistency in treating kings and serfs the same.

2) Hes not, and they wont. TBH, hes a DE. Hes not a franchise QB. SD is not going to break their policies for him, nor should they. Hes not a franchise changing player.

 

[SO91]

1) Not in San Diego. I respect their consistency in treating kings and serfs the same.

2) Hes not, and they wont. TBH, hes a DE. Hes not a franchise QB. SD is not going to break their policies for him, nor should they. Hes not a franchise changing player.

He's the 3rd pick in the draft after 2 QB starved teams made their pick. He ought to be a difference making pass rusher, if not a franchise changing player. The majority of people don't give a damn because fans are usually in it for the team.

 

[Reign Blood]

Question.

Even though the time has passed for a trade for Bosa, is it still possible to do a sign and trade or is that out of the window as well?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Question.

Even though the time has passed for a trade for Bosa, is it still possible to do a sign and trade or is that out of the window as well?

Not possible.

 

[Reign Blood]

Not possible.

Sounds like Bosa had best get in there and take what he can. He needs a reality check, maybe look at the undrafted free agents who would love to be in his shoes.

 

[Bodha]

Sounds like Bosa had best get in there and take what he can. He needs a reality check, maybe look at the undrafted free agents who would love to be in his shoes.

This is the most ridiculous holdout for the fact that the money gets isn't the issue. Hes gets $20mill, period. Its slotted.

The issue is when and how he gets it.

Itd be like if you get bi-weekly checks at work, and storm into your bosses office and demand a weekly check. He says no, so you pack up and go home.

 

[ajcardfan]

Itd be like if you get bi-weekly checks at work, and storm into your bosses office and demand a weekly check. He says no, so you pack up and go home.

Not an accurate analogy.

It's more like you've earned two weeks of pay but then get fired the next week and your boss gives you a check for one week instead of the two you are owed just because you got another job already. Even though you did what was necessary to get a full paycheck.

 

[Bodha]

Not an accurate analogy.

It's more like you've earned two weeks of pay but then get fired the next week and your boss gives you a check for one week instead of the two you are owed just because you got another job already. Even though you did what was necessary to get a full paycheck.

still not quite right. Going with your example, its more like:

So you get a new job. But then you demand your old job to keep paying you for 6 more months as you work at your new job.



And also, we need to seriously hammer home the unreasonable argument that Bosa would ever be cut (fired). He wont. Not ever. Hes #3 overall. His rope can wrap around the world twice. Only if hes a Manziel-level screw up will he ever be cut.

And that begs the question, if hes a Manziel level screw up and does in fact get cut...why are you fighting so hard to get him paid?

 

[ajcardfan]

still not quite right. Going with your example, its more like:

So you get a new job. But then you demand your old job to keep paying you for 6 more months as you work at your new job.

No, once a contract is signed they've "earned" the bonus. It's not a matter of continuing to get paid, but whether to pay what was promised.

And that begs the question, if hes a Manziel level screw up and does in fact get cut...why are you fighting so hard to get him paid?

I am not fighting for him to get paid. That's his agent's job. I'm just glad the Cardinals are not the stupid team of the NFL any more. The Chargers have that crown, they deserve it, and they can keep it.

 

[Bodha]

No, once a contract is signed they've "earned" the bonus. It's not a matter of continuing to get paid, but whether to pay what was promised.

I am not fighting for him to get paid. That's his agent's job. I'm just glad the Cardinals are not the stupid team of the NFL any more. The Chargers have that crown, they deserve it, and they can keep it.

Whats so stupid about the Chargers perspective? They are saying:

"If you suck so bad that we are forced to cut you, we don't want to have to keep paying your suckitude".

That's reasonable IMO.

 

[PDXChris]

Joey Bosa comes from a lot of money and can afford to sit out, so good for him for standing up for what be feels it right. For those that doe not know, his father played in the NFL and now owns a line of successful Adult Nightclubs in Florida. Also, his Great-grandfather is Tony Accardo, so he knows how to negotiate.

 

[ajcardfan]

Whats so stupid about the Chargers perspective? They are saying:

"If you suck so bad that we are forced to cut you, we don't want to have to keep paying your suckitude".

That's reasonable IMO.

It's bad PR which is bad for business. They are already struggling to sell tickets, and this certainly hurts that effort. The 31 businesses they compete against aren't doing the same thing, so it's a completely self-inflicted wound. Dumb.

 

[Bodha]

It's bad PR which is bad for business. They are already struggling to sell tickets, and this certainly hurts that effort. The 31 businesses they compete against aren't doing the same thing, so it's a completely self-inflicted wound. Dumb.

Most support the Chargers in this fight. Bosa's effort may have been sympathetic, but he and his family come across as some d-bags, so hes lost the PR battle.

His teammates have already started turning on him, making media comments about another guys contract is unheard of, unless theres animosity.

 

[PDXChris]

Most support the Chargers in this fight. Bosa's effort may have been sympathetic, but he and his family come across as some d-bags, so hes lost the PR battle.

His teammates have already started turning on him, making media comments about another guys contract is unheard of, unless theres animosity.

Most do not support the Chargers. From listening to the radio and seeing reactions here, most support Bosa.

 

[DVontel]

Most support the Chargers in this fight. Bosa's effort may have been sympathetic, but he and his family come across as some d-bags, so hes lost the PR battle.

His teammates have already started turning on him, making media comments about another guys contract is unheard of, unless theres animosity.

Where are you getting "most" from? What sources?

 

[Bodha]

Where are you getting "most" from? What sources?

several charger forums. Heres their main one:

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=105085&page=540

Whos at fault:

48 vote for Chargers

132 vote for Bosa/his reps

15 vote for bacon ???

 

[BACH]

still not quite right. Going with your example, its more like:

So you get a new job. But then you demand your old job to keep paying you for 6 more months as you work at your new job.



And also, we need to seriously hammer home the unreasonable argument that Bosa would ever be cut (fired). He wont. Not ever. Hes #3 overall. His rope can wrap around the world twice. Only if hes a Manziel-level screw up will he ever be cut.

And that begs the question, if hes a Manziel level screw up and does in fact get cut...why are you fighting so hard to get him paid?

Ehh. No. You negotiate a contract For a New job and insist that they pay you full if they fire you. The old job has nothing to do With it.

This is very standard and has been included in all top 3 picks under the New CBA. Only the Chargers refuse because they haven't had a top three Pick under the New CBA before. Every other team gives it and Bosa wants the same so he holds out. Who Cares that the Chargers haven't picked in the top three before. It's standard. Life isn't fair. Finish better if you want to avoid it

 

[Bodha]

You negotiate a contract For a New job and insist that they pay you full if they fire you. The old job has nothing to do With it.

When youre right youre right.

But news flash, its a negotiation. They dont HAVE to give you what you want. Go ahead and insist till the cows come home.

This is very standard and has been included in all top 3 picks under the New CBA. Only the Chargers refuse because they haven't had a top three Pick under the New CBA before. Every other team gives it and Bosa wants the same so he holds out. Who Cares that the Chargers haven't picked in the top three before. It's standard. Life isn't fair. Finish better if you want to avoid it

SD will follow the CBA to the letter. Theyve broken no CBA agreement period.

News flash #2.....the CBA doesnt say anything about off-set language. Chargers dont HAVE to do shnizzle.


Basically your one of those baseball fans who complains about "unwritten rules". SD is breaking an unwritten rule right now.

 

[BACH]

When youre right youre right.

But news flash, its a negotiation. They dont HAVE to give you what you want. Go ahead and insist till the cows come home.



SD will follow the CBA to the letter. Theyve broken no CBA agreement period.

News flash #2.....the CBA doesnt say anything about off-set language. Chargers dont HAVE to do shnizzle.


Basically your one of those baseball fans who complains about "unwritten rules". SD is breaking an unwritten rule right now.

You still haven't commented on my earlier post about Bosa's options.

Then we wouldn't have this discussion now. You are correct, that the Chargers are not breaking any official rules of the CBA. Newsflash... Neither is Bosa!

Bosa has leverage too and can sit out until November 10. The money amount is garanteed under the CBA and by November 10 he has the bite the bullet and accept the Chargers terms of payment and offset language. In return Bosa gets all the money from a 4 year deal while in effect only playing for 3 years. Bosa doesn't have to do schnizzle until November 10.

 

[Darkside]

Been an interesting thread. Few quick thoughts:

Chargers aren't breaking the CBA obviously. However, they look cheap and petty and that's going to hurt their franchise going forward. There's no better time in the history of the NFL to sign a 3 this cheap and they can't even get it done.

That being said, there's no way Bosa is worried about busting out or being cut. Most of these dudes aren't built like that. My personal opinion is that it's about respect. This is a league of supreme athletes and alpha dogs, he just wants the minimum his slot dictates. Sure, maybe SD pays their rooks all the same but let's be honest, he's the 3 overall and coming in under a relatively new CBA. Comparing him to everyone else on their team is apples and oranges. It's also about respect for his agent Tom Condon, there's no possible way he can take less than the minimum, incentive wise, for his client, whether it's in their right or not, it will hinder his ability and leverage enticing future rookies. That's not something that's going to happen.

SD is within their rights, there's no doubt, but it's a petty and incomprehensible stance to take on a possible franchise player. And I don't mean PR wise, I hate the media anyway, they're full of crap pretty much 100% of the time, but when it comes to rookies and free agents, that's going to be tough. It may even be more difficult to get agents excited about working with SD. It's a very poor move for their franchise. If a player can play he will always find a team, but when a franchise sucks it rarely works in reverse, nobody wants to play there.






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[oaken1]

Been an interesting thread. Few quick thoughts:

Chargers aren't breaking the CBA obviously. However, they look cheap and petty and that's going to hurt their franchise going forward. There's no better time in the history of the NFL to sign a 3 this cheap and they can't even get it done.

That being said, there's no way Bosa is worried about busting out or being cut. Most of these dudes aren't built like that. My personal opinion is that it's about respect. This is a league of supreme athletes and alpha dogs, he just wants the minimum his slot dictates. Sure, maybe SD pays their rooks all the same but let's be honest, he's the 3 overall and coming in under a relatively new CBA. Comparing him to everyone else on their team is apples and oranges. It's also about respect for his agent Tom Condon, there's no possible way he can take less than the minimum, incentive wise, for his client, whether it's in their right or not, it will hinder his ability and leverage enticing future rookies. That's not something that's going to happen.

SD is within their rights, there's no doubt, but it's a petty and incomprehensible stance to take on a possible franchise player. And I don't mean PR wise, I hate the media anyway, they're full of crap pretty much 100% of the time, but when it comes to rookies and free agents, that's going to be tough. It may even be more difficult to get agents excited about working with SD. It's a very poor move for their franchise. If a player can play he will always find a team, but when a franchise sucks it rarely works in reverse, nobody wants to play there.






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would be hilarious to see a ten year string of first round picks refusing to play for the chargers like manning did.