OT: Lofa signs extension

[Bobcat]

Just a little devil's advocate but I think Seahawks fans would be freaking out as well if Tatupu had signed a four year deal for $40M. It's not just the total money but the $$$ per year that's important. Fitz is averaging $10M a year while Tatupu is averaging $7M. Fitz is an unbelievable receiver but that is a serious chunk of cheese per year.

I agree with your opinion on Fitz. He's definitely one of the top receivers in the league. But I can also understand where people might be sticker shocked at $40M over four years with 75% of that guaranteed. That's a lot of cap space even for the best players in the league (which would include Fitz).

Now how about A. Rod of the NY Yankees. $25.4 Million /year. Now that is not Chump Change.
Football longevity is much shiorter than in MBB.


BOBCAT

 

[1DS]

You must not be informed too much.. Either that or just come and read and post on this forum when you got an agenda.. Were talking about this offseason, not years numnuts..

Seattle got the deal with their star player done sooner. End of discussion.

 

[SECTION 11]

The Seahawks are the least scary team of all time.

 

[Gee!]

Seattle got the deal with their star player done sooner. End of discussion.

Lofa is their star? ok done discusion.. .. But we were talking this offseason.. So, were following me and us Cards fans? Or are you on Seachickenss mind frame?

 

[Gee!]

You know what I hate?

I hate this pip squeek named cardmd calling out my boy 40year..

You call yell and get banned all ya want bro..

Im just putting it out there..

 

[cardsfanmd]

You know what I hate?

I hate this pip squeek named cardmd calling out my boy 40year..

You call yell and get banned all ya want bro..

Im just putting it out there..

I hate people taking about stuff they no nothing about about.

Furthermore, I hate people running into other threads to spew random hate.

I guess that suits you the vast majority of the time.

I never called 40 out on anything. He is one of my favorite posters on this board. Just because I dont argree with someone doesn't mean I dispise them. Anybody that has half a brain and reads my posts would know that. Rugby and I argue all day, and I still cant wait to get smashed with him at the Jets game this year.

You on the other hand argue all day about stuff that makes no sense. SeaChicken is 150% right about everything he said in this thread.

Get pissed all you want, it is what it is.

 

[Dr. Jones]

It took them longer to sign Lofa then it took the Cards to sign Fitz. How do you figure that is quickly?

I was referring to our own Karlos Dansby.

The dude who should have been signed last offseason.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I really don't think this has anything to do with Fitz..... He was already under contract. Karlos on the other hand was finishing out his rookie deal and had to be Franchised due to the slow pace our Front office took.

Seattle on the other hand was pro-active and it did two things. It locked up their best defender for a long time. And two, they didn't have to waste the franchise tag on him which in most cases these days becomes an insult to the player franchised.

 

[red desert]

$40 Mil for this guy is ok, but $40 Million for one of the best receivers in the NFL just doesn't suit most people on this forum. Not mad at you
MgratingOsprey. Just mad at some chicken littles on this site. Not you.



BOBCAT

Cluck cluck

 

[red desert]

I really don't think this has anything to do with Fitz..... He was already under contract. Karlos on the other hand was finishing out his rookie deal and had to be Franchised due to the slow pace our Front office took.

Seattle on the other hand was pro-active and it did two things. It locked up their best defender for a long time. And two, they didn't have to waste the franchise tag on him which in most cases these days becomes an insult to the player franchised.

Exactly.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You know what I hate?

I hate this pip squeek named cardmd calling out my boy 40year..

You call yell and get banned all ya want bro..

Im just putting it out there..

Why?

 

[40yearfan]

First off, I'm not trying to be argumentative so my apologies if it's coming off that way. And I do agree with you. It is apples and oranges when you compare their contracts.

That being said, just guessing but I think what the other poster was trying to say is that the Fitzgerald issue should have been dealt with far before it got to the point it did. Realistically speaking, there was at least a 50/50 going into last season that Fitzgerald could get to his second Pro Bowl since he had always been to one and has clearly shown that he can have a Pro Bowl year at any time. I'm thinking the other poster was saying "See, you can get players re-signed before it becomes a nightmare."

If the Cardinals had tried to sign Fitzgerald long term last year (and who knows, maybe they did), maybe they never would have gotten to the point where he had them over a barrel. Again, I think that's what the other poster was getting at.

Here's the problem with that scenario and I've talked about this previously. We didn't know until Dec. 2007 that Fitz was going to hit all the incentives in his contract, so there was nothing to dicuss until that point. That was exactly 4 months ago and negotiations have been going on for 3 months.

And on the other side of the coin, if you were Fitz or his agent and thought you had a realistic chance to make the incentives in your contract, would you redo your contract before you hit those incentives and take less dollars?

It's a nice thought, but neither side had incentive to do so.

 

[40yearfan]

I was referring to our own Karlos Dansby.

The dude who should have been signed last offseason.

I really don't think this has anything to do with Fitz..... He was already under contract. Karlos on the other hand was finishing out his rookie deal and had to be Franchised due to the slow pace our Front office took.

Seattle on the other hand was pro-active and it did two things. It locked up their best defender for a long time. And two, they didn't have to waste the franchise tag on him which in most cases these days becomes an insult to the player franchised.

I thought I'd answer both at the same time. From my point of view (and maybe the FO's), there was no sense redoing Dansby's contract before the 2007 season due to the fact that he had been injured and the former coaching staff considered him a malcontent. Dansby blossoms under the new coaching staff and has a breakout year. If you remember correctly, RG tried to meet with Dansby's agent a couple of times to start talks, but Dansby's agent didn't feel any sense of hurry (and I don't blame him).

Dansby let it be known early on that he would be happy to have the franchise tag and it's obvious that he still feels the same way. Seven million bucks can put him on easy street and he gets that for only one year of his time. Even if they don't get a contract worked out and he has another monster year, that figure could go up to ten million bucks for 2009. Dansby is in a no-lose situation as long as he plays up to his potential and seeing how he plays on the field, I think he just might be enough of a gambler to go for it.

It takes two to tango. Neither side seems to be in a hurry. Fine by me. Just keep Dansby fat and happy.

 

[TheCardFan]

6 yr contract extension - He'll be a hawk through 2015

40M over the 6 yr extension with 16m in guarantees - not a bad deal with the way contracts are going

one of my favorite players in the league - glad to see he'll remain a hawk - a whole bunch of other guys restructured as well - now if trufant would sign a deal that would help

really odd offseason so far.............

Good...6 more years of hearing Duece say LO FA!

 

[40yearfan]

6 yr contract extension - He'll be a hawk through 2015

40M over the 6 yr extension with 16m in guarantees - not a bad deal with the way contracts are going

one of my favorite players in the league - glad to see he'll remain a hawk - a whole bunch of other guys restructured as well - now if trufant would sign a deal that would help

really odd offseason so far.............

MO, mind if I ask why you are saying it's been odd for the Seahawks?

 

[NavyHawk]

Tatupu

Hey Guys,

Yes, I know I'm on an Arizona Cardinals board. Please let me explain why.

First, I love the state of Arizona. Great place and have friends there (Hawks fans).

Second, my goal this year is to make at least three friends who are die-hard Cardinals fans. Reason being, my bro & I have recently made going down to AZ for the Hawks game a tradition. Would be cool to link up with Cards fans who share a love of fooball and can endure people of the other colors bonded by respect of the game & fanship.

So, I will be dropping from time to time in peace, as football's my diversion from the realities of life. Had a great time in AZ last year & was pleasantly surprised to meet some great Cardinals fans who represented very well. Great stadium down there too.

Later,
NavyHawk

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Navy - this is a site full of great fans - good discussions here

40 year - it's been odd with the succession planning, watching a lot of sub-coaches go onto different pursuits (like zorn is now the redskins HC.....) - trufant has been a little bit of a saga - the way that josh brown handled his business, on again off again with hackett - branch undergoing surgery- the miss with crumpler - the passive agressive dethroning of shaun alexander - the nice signing of wahle and the unexpected extension of lofa - i also belive that this is going to be the first year of them training in their new digs in the seattle area and they are leaving cheney and eastern washington again, which is odd

a bit of drama this offseason and it's not even the draft yet - the identity of the team is definitely shifting and it's hard to figure out the pulse on the team right now - defense should return and continue to improve - offense is starting to be a concern and that's odd as well as the team transitions from holmgren to mora

lofa is a joy to watch and i am glad to watch him for a few more years

as for all the side chatter that erupted - i don't think the seahawks are historically quick in getting deals done, however this was a nice surprise

dansby reminds me exactly of anthony simmons - attitude, injuries and game breaking ability - we'll see what happens after he gets his anthony simmons type deal

fitz is a special player - just hard to guarantee so much money - also for quick deals, i've been out of the loop but I know the cards have been restricted from signing players and actually had to make a cut to sign a guy because of how long the fitz deal is taking to get through - is that resolved yet?

 

[Skkorpion]

Lofa Tatupu was a complete no-show in Green Bay when it really mattered. Other than that time, he's looked pretty good in the few Seattle games I've watched.

 

[1DS]

Navy - this is a site full of great fans - good discussions here

40 year - it's been odd with the succession planning, watching a lot of sub-coaches go onto different pursuits (like zorn is now the redskins HC.....) - trufant has been a little bit of a saga - the way that josh brown handled his business, on again off again with hackett - branch undergoing surgery- the miss with crumpler - the passive agressive dethroning of shaun alexander - the nice signing of wahle and the unexpected extension of lofa - i also belive that this is going to be the first year of them training in their new digs in the seattle area and they are leaving cheney and eastern washington again, which is odd

a bit of drama this offseason and it's not even the draft yet - the identity of the team is definitely shifting and it's hard to figure out the pulse on the team right now - defense should return and continue to improve - offense is starting to be a concern and that's odd as well as the team transitions from holmgren to mora

lofa is a joy to watch and i am glad to watch him for a few more years

as for all the side chatter that erupted - i don't think the seahawks are historically quick in getting deals done, however this was a nice surprise

dansby reminds me exactly of anthony simmons - attitude, injuries and game breaking ability - we'll see what happens after he gets his anthony simmons type deal

fitz is a special player - just hard to guarantee so much money - also for quick deals, i've been out of the loop but I know the cards have been restricted from signing players and actually had to make a cut to sign a guy because of how long the fitz deal is taking to get through - is that resolved yet?

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It was finally resolved today. I didn't hear of us cutting a player to sign someone, but I may be wrong. We've only signed 2 players so far and we used the majority of our cap space to do so. Again, we should have more room now as the Fitz deal was finally approved.

With all due respect, Dansby is twice the player Simmons ever was. I hear you on the injury's and questionable attitude/work ethic. I would be lying if I said I'm not a little concered about how he will react after getting his payday. I do think that he could be the type of player to bag it in after he strikes riches, ala Shaun Alexander (Zing!). Was it a coincidence that he had his best statistical year when his contract was set to expire, or was it due to the position switch and new coaching staff? That remains to be seen.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

shaun was had a very productive stretch - he just got a little old and a lot injured

i also disagree about simmons - the players have different roles in their respective defenses, but anthony was a beast early in his career - he'd drill RBs behind the line, was very fast (dansby has some speed as well) and was very inconsistent - simmons in his 3rd year had 147 tackles (121 solo) and 4 sacks, he also grabbed two interceptions - this is what he was capable of

he had two more years in seattle with 100 or more total tackles (in his 4th year he had over 100 solo) - 5th year he was injured but on pace to have another very good year - but checked out after his payday and getting dinged up again - his last year in seattle was a nightmare

the guy has special talent - he just couldn't put it all together - dansby is a better pass rusher than simmons ever was, but simmons had a tendency to be on the ball on every play

 

[Savage58]

I liked Simmons game back like 5 years ago. I can appreciate his tenacity, his speed and hard hitting ability. But IMHO, Dansby has WAY more range in coverage and is faster, along with a better pass rusher as a few of you have stated. That all Equals, Dansby >>> A. Simmons Just one mans O.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Hey Guys,

Yes, I know I'm on an Arizona Cardinals board. Please let me explain why.

First, I love the state of Arizona. Great place and have friends there (Hawks fans).

Second, my goal this year is to make at least three friends who are die-hard Cardinals fans. Reason being, my bro & I have recently made going down to AZ for the Hawks game a tradition. Would be cool to link up with Cards fans who share a love of fooball and can endure people of the other colors bonded by respect of the game & fanship.

So, I will be dropping from time to time in peace, as football's my diversion from the realities of life. Had a great time in AZ last year & was pleasantly surprised to meet some great Cardinals fans who represented very well. Great stadium down there too.

Later,
NavyHawk

Welcome, stick around have a sandwich. Oh wait newbe's buy, so I'll have a carne asada burrito from the former Filberto's (don't know what they call em now). Oh and a cold one

 

[40yearfan]

Navy - this is a site full of great fans - good discussions here

40 year - it's been odd with the succession planning, watching a lot of sub-coaches go onto different pursuits (like zorn is now the redskins HC.....) - trufant has been a little bit of a saga - the way that josh brown handled his business, on again off again with hackett - branch undergoing surgery- the miss with crumpler - the passive agressive dethroning of shaun alexander - the nice signing of wahle and the unexpected extension of lofa - i also belive that this is going to be the first year of them training in their new digs in the seattle area and they are leaving cheney and eastern washington again, which is odd

a bit of drama this offseason and it's not even the draft yet - the identity of the team is definitely shifting and it's hard to figure out the pulse on the team right now - defense should return and continue to improve - offense is starting to be a concern and that's odd as well as the team transitions from holmgren to mora

lofa is a joy to watch and i am glad to watch him for a few more years

as for all the side chatter that erupted - i don't think the seahawks are historically quick in getting deals done, however this was a nice surprise

dansby reminds me exactly of anthony simmons - attitude, injuries and game breaking ability - we'll see what happens after he gets his anthony simmons type deal

fitz is a special player - just hard to guarantee so much money - also for quick deals, i've been out of the loop but I know the cards have been restricted from signing players and actually had to make a cut to sign a guy because of how long the fitz deal is taking to get through - is that resolved yet?

I really hated to see Alexander go down hill so fast. You can't help but appreciate what that guy has accomplished in a short time.

The guy the Cards had to cut was Morey (when they signed Hodel), but they have either brought him back already or will do so shortly.

Thanks for the explanation and I can see what you are talking about. Any unrest from the faithful on the Hawks board?

 

[MigratingOsprey]

not too bad - everyone is focused in on the main areas of need (TE, K, WR) and focused on the draft to help fill these spots and also build depth .... some talk about feeling a little uneasy with all the changes going on, but for the most part there is a lot of trust in Ruskell to build this thing, he's earned a bit of a leash and we'll let him use it

 

[BigRedRage]

You know what I hate?

I hate this pip squeek named cardmd calling out my boy 40year..

You call yell and get banned all ya want bro..

Im just putting it out there..

no one named cardmd even posted in this thread.