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So, are the Lakers fans prepared to admit that all of their fanfare about what a great post defender Brown is was a bunch of homeristic nonsense? I haven't heard one whit about how the Lakers are going to miss Brown's rugged defense.


I still think that he was a pretty good post defender, but his deficencies on the offensive end made that part of his game inconsequential. His turnovers, missed dunks, and missed free throws more than overcame any positives he had on defense.

I still wouldn't mind having him in there to bang against some of the bigger guys in the league, but trading him for Gasol is a no brainer. Also, although Andrew isn't the one-on-one post defender that Kwame is, his length, shot blocking, weak side help, and rebounding more than make up for it.

Long story short. We all got over it VERY quickly. ;)
 

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I haven't watched Gasol as much as some have, but he seems to have a nice face up game, and most likely will be able to work a lot out of the high post. He has good assist numbers for a big, and when he catches he almost always faces up. In the triangle as a post guy, most touches are at the high post or as a low post threat. I think he gives them the ability to have him play all over the place. Wether Andrew is in the game or not.

Plus, so far in Bynum's development, he has shown a nice ability to pass and to get weakside lobs. His post game is coming along, but he isn't a guy that can only score from the deep block.

I think those two guys will be able to play off each other very well. Especially in the triangle, where plays are based off of strong side (3 players in 'triangle') and weak side (other two players), and will allow both guys to be threats. Also, teaming the two of those with Odom, will give us an advantage on both the offensive and defensive boards almost every night.

There will definetly be an adjustment period, which is why I am still personally not among the group expecting a championship this year. However, the trade leaves us with the biggest front line in the league, with a multiple of guys that have ability (especially rebounding and scoring).

good points all, but you have to know that both bynum and gasol's main strengths lie in the deep post. it's a bit redundant and not completely complimentary.

the other thing i think is (and mind you, i somewhat cringe at this thought as it will only encourage dantoni to go smaller), how does that frontline keep up with the suns frontline. dantoni will play the matchup game and will have amare, marion and hill running from the word "go" (if we get a defensive board, that is). bynum has already shown an inability to keep up with amare in transition, gasol is just slow . . . marion racing down court will create others covering for gasol on a regular basis, and odom is not a fleet-of-foot three man. even on his aged pegs hill will routinely outrun odom.

does this make up for the size disadvantage the suns would experience? i don't think so. particularly with the way phil is able to control the pace of the suns games. but it does open up other questions . . . namely, how will that same lakers team match up with the younger more athlete squads to come (namely the hornets and blazers next year)? i think those teams have a better shot of unseating the current elite as they will be big, athletic, young, and fleet of foot.
 

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These posts which deal in ignorant absolutes are pretty funny. As if the market in the offseason was exactly as it is today.

true. but you can't deny that the assets are accurate. and, given an earlier post, if the LT doesn't hit 'til the trade deadline, why did we act so hastily in "ridding" ourselves of KT prior to the season? seems we acted too soon. particularly if, as you state, the market during the offseason was so crummy. don't sell low.
 

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How many championships has small ball won? 0.

The Lakers don't HAVE to start Bynum and Gasol at the same time, they are versatile and deep enough to interchange the lineups to matchup with the smaller teams. The lineup we had before the Gasol trade was good enough to beat the Suns twice this year, so I don't think Bynum's mobility will be a problem considering he is slower than Gasol.

I don't think Phil would adjust to small ball teams like PHX though. He'd rather expose their frontcourt weaknesses and slow the tempo down to a snail's pace. With the tallest frontline in the NBA the Suns aren't going to be getting many possessions or second chance opportunities, severely limiting their offense. I don't think the Suns stand a chance to be honest.
 
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I think the Suns, when they are shooting hot... or nailing 10+ 3pters.. will beat the Lakers any time... no amounts of rebounding nor big men from the Lakers will stop a hot shooting Suns team...

BUT... yes playoff time, I agree that Phil Jackson knows how to expose the Suns,and he did it a few seasons ago when it went 7 games and he did it last season but Suns had Amare back.

This season, Gasol and emerging Bynum.. yes, Amare's influence will be neutralize somehow, unless he literally gets both players in foul trouble by going hard every possession... but the Suns wont do that. They'll stick to the shooting and, remember its the shooting that you have to watch out for..


I think, the Suns will be challenged, thats understatement... not just by lakers but by a few West teams... its tough I cant see them going deep into the playoffs unless the team just shoots hot 4 games out 7 in every series... because rebounding, grind it out offense/defense certainly wont.


Lakers... well, they look scary because they are HUGE...two 7 footers... a 6'10 versatile SF and Kobe Bryant.... not to mention Fischer running the triangle... and Phil Jackson..



Lakers look good... i hate to admit it...
 

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So, are the Lakers fans prepared to admit that all of their fanfare about what a great post defender Brown is was a bunch of homeristic nonsense? I haven't heard one whit about how the Lakers are going to miss Brown's rugged defense.

No, Kwame was a terrific defender. It was borne out in statistics. Kwame's defense hadn't been as good recently, probably because of his multiple foot injuries. But in previous years, it was the only thing he did well consistenly.

I still like Kwame, but he never lived up to the meager expectations I had for him. Sad...the dude has mental problems, man.
 

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good points all, but you have to know that both bynum and gasol's main strengths lie in the deep post. it's a bit redundant and not completely complimentary.

the other thing i think is (and mind you, i somewhat cringe at this thought as it will only encourage dantoni to go smaller), how does that frontline keep up with the suns frontline. dantoni will play the matchup game and will have amare, marion and hill running from the word "go" (if we get a defensive board, that is). bynum has already shown an inability to keep up with amare in transition, gasol is just slow . . . marion racing down court will create others covering for gasol on a regular basis, and odom is not a fleet-of-foot three man. even on his aged pegs hill will routinely outrun odom.

does this make up for the size disadvantage the suns would experience? i don't think so. particularly with the way phil is able to control the pace of the suns games. but it does open up other questions . . . namely, how will that same lakers team match up with the younger more athlete squads to come (namely the hornets and blazers next year)? i think those teams have a better shot of unseating the current elite as they will be big, athletic, young, and fleet of foot.

In the two games this year with Bynum healthy, he has dominated the matchup with Amare. Also, as you pointed out, it is hard to run when you are struggling to get defensive rebounds and stops. No one will know until they play, and considering there is no guarantee that Bynum will be back to 100% this year, we may not truly know the answers until next year. With that said, I still think the Lakers advantages (size, rebounding, post scoring, defensive length) would trump the Suns in a 7 game series with both teams fully healthy.

Of course I am biased, however it is nice to think about the Lakers going into a playoff series and not being the prohibitied underdog anymore. Should be fun.
 

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In the two games this year with Bynum healthy, he has dominated the matchup with Amare. Also, as you pointed out, it is hard to run when you are struggling to get defensive rebounds and stops. No one will know until they play, and considering there is no guarantee that Bynum will be back to 100% this year, we may not truly know the answers until next year. With that said, I still think the Lakers advantages (size, rebounding, post scoring, defensive length) would trump the Suns in a 7 game series with both teams fully healthy.

Of course I am biased, however it is nice to think about the Lakers going into a playoff series and not being the prohibitied underdog anymore. Should be fun.

gaynum gaynum gaynum WTF ??? u laker fans real funny yall might forgot the moster amare in the playoffs huh ?
and if gaynum had 2 knee injuries he would already out of this league!!!

the suns will kill the fakers in the playoffs!
 

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gaynum gaynum gaynum WTF ??? u laker fans real funny yall might forgot the moster amare in the playoffs huh ?
and if gaynum had 2 knee injuries he would already out of this league!!!

the suns will kill the fakers in the playoffs!

Insightful.
 

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gaynum gaynum gaynum WTF ??? u laker fans real funny yall might forgot the moster amare in the playoffs huh ?
and if gaynum had 2 knee injuries he would already out of this league!!!

the suns will kill the fakers in the playoffs!

Can't argue with that wonderfully worded and well thought out post. I guess you told me.

See ya in the playoffs.
 

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gaynum gaynum gaynum WTF ??? u laker fans real funny yall might forgot the moster amare in the playoffs huh ?
and if gaynum had 2 knee injuries he would already out of this league!!!

the suns will kill the fakers in the playoffs!
Come on man......we're trying to have an intelligent discussion here with Laker fans that are being respectful. If you want to talk smack then go to the smack shack forum. Right now you're just making Suns fans look bad.....
 

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Come on man......we're trying to have an intelligent discussion here with Laker fans that are being respectful. If you want to talk smack then go to the smack shack forum. Right now you're just making Suns fans look bad.....


Nah, he's just making himself look bad. Intelligent Laker fans know how to make the distinction.
 

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Interesting update on the Gasol trade......apparently many teams were offering better deals and the Grizzlies GM & owner ignored them. I wonder what really made the Grizzlies decide to ignore better offers and sell cheap & early.....

Ten teams that had the goods to get Gasol

By Chad Ford

"Merry Christmas, L.A."

That sentiment, voiced by Dallas Mavericks coach Avery Johnson upon hearing about the Pau Gasol trade, has been resonating around the NBA.

While just about everyone expected the Memphis Grizzlies to trade Gasol before the Feb. 21 trade deadline, no one predicted it would be this soon or for so little in return. Instead of established players, the Los Angeles Lakers gave the Grizzlies only a package of expiring contracts, draft picks and marginal prospects for Gasol.

While most GMs weren't publicly venting their frustration on having missed out on Gasol, plenty were willing to do so privately.

The excuses ranged from blaming Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace to blaming their owners to … well … pointing the finger in just about every direction but their own.

One GM I spoke to asserted he had a better deal to offer, claiming that Wallace didn't return his calls.

Another said that just two weeks ago, Wallace was asking for twice as much in return. If this GM had known the Grizzlies were lowering the asking price on Gasol, he would've made another offer, he said.

A Western Conference GM said the Grizzlies' timing threw him off: "Big trades like this normally don't happen until after the All-Star break. Who would've guessed that the Grizzlies would've jumped the gun and taken such a lopsided deal three weeks before the trade deadline?"

Another prominent GM said his owner vetoed any trade that would've pushed his team into luxury-tax territory.

Sour grapes, anyone?

From the sob stories, two themes emerged:

One, a lot of GMs are more than a little jealous that the Lakers, of all teams, landed Gasol -- especially given the price tag.

Second, it sounds like the Grizzlies didn't walk away with the best deal available.

Given that, we have to ask: Which other teams could have landed Gasol, and what could they have offered?

As a starting point, let's look at the basic parameters of the deal the Grizzlies accepted:

• About $11 million in expiring contracts (Kwame Brown and Aaron McKie)
• A prospect drafted in the middle of the first round in 2007 (Javaris Crittenton)
• A second-round pick from the same draft (Marc Gasol)
• Two first-round picks, likely to be in the No. 20 to 30 range (2008 and 2010)

Which teams could have matched or exceeded that deal? As it turns out, plenty of teams could have.


The article goes on to list 10 teams that could've made better offers, which you can read here: Better Offers
 

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Nah, he's just making himself look bad. Intelligent Laker fans know how to make the distinction.

"Intelligent" and "Laker fans" do not belong in the same sentence.

They think Gasol can help lead them to the Finals :biglaugh:..Dude is 0-12 in the post season.
 
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"Intelligent" and "Laker fans" do not belong in the same sentence.

They think Gasol can lead them to the Finals...Dude is 0-8 in the post season.

How many Finals have Nash, Stoudemire, Marion and Grant Hill participated in?

As a matter of fact, in 12 seasons I don't think one of Hill's teams have ever won a playoff series.
 

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