OT Rotoworld Reporting Lakers Acquire Gasol

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And there is another thing we must not forget: luxury tax is not assessed until after the trade deadline.

wow, i didn't realise that. man, since BC left the front office has really gone out of it's way to f everything up.
thanks for buying the team sarver. could you please sell it now? but first, you'll probably move it to new york. it'll be worth more then. ya jackass.
 
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Now Memphis has Kwame and Darko? What if they become best friends and begin to dominate the league and win the championship this year?
 

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Heres the thing.. this puts the Lakers in Luxery Tax Hell now.. and I was pretty worried they would end up being able to Sign someone Like Gilbert Arenas to team with Kobe and Bynum, that to me would be WAY more scary than Gasol..

And this also means Odom is gone after next year, the same year that they will in a likelyhood have to pay Bynam at or near the Max...

So they will be pretty good this year and next year (though I still don't think they get to the finals)...

And then they will be a 72 Million with just Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Walton, Fisher, and Radmonivic....

Will they be a good team.. yes, can they be a contender? maybe, but their window is the next 2 years for a realistic shot at a championship, otherwise...
 

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Heres the thing.. this puts the Lakers in Luxery Tax Hell now.. and I was pretty worried they would end up being able to Sign someone Like Gilbert Arenas to team with Kobe and Bynum, that to me would be WAY more scary than Gasol..

And this also means Odom is gone after next year, the same year that they will in a likelyhood have to pay Bynam at or near the Max...

So they will be pretty good this year and next year (though I still don't think they get to the finals)...

And then they will be a 72 Million with just Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Walton, Fisher, and Radmonivic....

Will they be a good team.. yes, can they be a contender? maybe, but their window is the next 2 years for a realistic shot at a championship, otherwise...


Here's the thing, Jerry Buss has no problems with the Luxury Tax. He will pay it and doesn't care as long as he has a winning team. His goal is winning titles, not saving money.
 

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Amare...D'Antoni is wasting him with his system and small ball. I'd trade Marion for Shaq in an instant. Marion in the playoffs isn't very valueable anyway. Shaq would instantly make us a very good defensive team and people would realize that Amare is not that bad defensively when he has another big next to him that can defend the basket and the other teams biggest player allowing Amare to defend a smaller guy.

I'd like to go on record as disagreeing with every part of this paragraph.

Amare's advantage over other bigs in the NBA is his speed and dexterity. Marion is invaluable in the playoffs for the Suns. Marion can guard 1-4, he allows the Suns to hide Nash and not have him on the opposing PG. Marion can cover PGs and switch onto the opposing 4 man if needed. There's a pretty short list of guys in the NBA that can do that.

Shaq is done, and would be a disaster in our system. He'd clog up the floor and be in Amare's way. He's constantly injured, plays extremely lazy (you think we're losing too many games, wait until Shaq is here not caring).

Amare isn't getting over sized when he's guarding Centers most nights (Yao and a few others excluded obviously). Its not someones size that makes him leap into the air and land on them. Its not someones size that makes Amare not start guarding them until their 2 feet from the cup. Amare's a great player and is going to get better, but his problem on defense is technique for the most part. If he decides he wants to learn and get better, he will.
 

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Marion is invaluable in the playoffs for the Suns.
Gotta disagree. His inability to create in the half court is an eyesore.
Marion can guard 1-4, he allows the Suns to hide Nash and not have him on the opposing PG. Marion can cover PGs and switch onto the opposing 4 man if needed. There's a pretty short list of guys in the NBA that can do that.
I agree Hoover plus Marion can bring high energy every night. However, the SUNS can still never get a key stop when they need one. Obviously this isn't entirely on Marion but if he's guarding the other teams best weapon so much....then how effective has he really been in the post-season?
 

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Gotta disagree. His inability to create in the half court is an eyesore.

I agree Hoover plus Marion can bring high energy every night. However, the SUNS can still never get a key stop when they need one. Obviously this isn't entirely on Marion but if he's guarding the other teams best weapon so much....then how effective has he really been in the post-season?

Well he's not usually/always guarding their best guy. Bell usually does if its a perimeter player. Marion isn't an All NBA type defender, but he's well above average and his versatility is very important. Amare and Nash are the weak links in the defense as far as I can tell. Hill does a solid job, though he's a bit too slow to guard some defenders. I think Diaw did an AMAZING job on Duncan the other night, I was very impressed. That performance has brought me into the 'keep starting Diaw' camp.
 

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Here's the thing, Jerry Buss has no problems with the Luxury Tax. He will pay it and doesn't care as long as he has a winning team. His goal is winning titles, not saving money.


yeah... however, they won't have ANY money for F.A. and will be locked into a Core of Kobe, Bynam, Gasol....

Thats a solid core, but they will have to have a below average SF/PG... It doesn't matter if your Owner is willing to pay or not, the bottom line is you won't have ANY Cap room, and no draft picks... So the realistic Starting 5 core you will have is

PG: Farmar
SG: Kobe
SF: Walton
PF: Gasol
C: Bynam

Take into account that the bench will be filled with the a bunch of League minimum guys, and I just don't think that team is Deep/Strong enough to compete for a championship year in and year out.....
 

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yeah... however, they won't have ANY money for F.A.

No, they'll still have the MLE every year. Plus they can get assets in a sign-and-trade for Odom, if they don't want to keep him themselves.

The Lakers won't have any trouble whatsoever filling out their roster with adequate players.
 

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Just wanted to weigh in on this trade. This was a stellar move by the Lakers and there is nothing I can say bad about it. All my Laker fan friends are very excited and rightfully so.

I still think we COULD beat them in a playoff series but I honestly can't say we would be favored and I wouldn't be surprised if we were embarrassed.

Its a good short term move so they can continue their push up the standings this year and their playoff chances are as strong as anyones. PLus I like Bynum and Gasol playing their respective postions (ahem correct positons DA) with Odom as a third piece or an attractive trade chip for future long term prospects.

And I havn't even mentioned Kobe Bryant yet:(

I'm not conceding anything but I have to say on paper the look strong.

I think we have to come to the reality that this might be our last year to make a run.
 

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I actually think that's being optimistic. I felt after the off season that last year was the end of the Suns run.



i definitely thought that before this year, but seeing how hill helps us so much on both ends and how skinner has been a pleasant surprise (to go along with bank's mild success), i would say i still believe that we have a shot at it this year. for once i will agree with charles barkley....the suns championship hopes rely on amare's defense and rebounding. if that is in fact the case, i don't know what to think about our chances. amare is so up and down in those areas this year.
 

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yeah... however, they won't have ANY money for F.A. and will be locked into a Core of Kobe, Bynam, Gasol....

Thats a solid core, but they will have to have a below average SF/PG... It doesn't matter if your Owner is willing to pay or not, the bottom line is you won't have ANY Cap room, and no draft picks... So the realistic Starting 5 core you will have is

PG: Farmar
SG: Kobe
SF: Walton
PF: Gasol
C: Bynam

Take into account that the bench will be filled with the a bunch of League minimum guys, and I just don't think that team is Deep/Strong enough to compete for a championship year in and year out.....
This is very short sighted. They already have a deep young bench, and will have the MLE every year. Plus vet min types will flock to Los Angeles with the the potential they will have even in the future.
 

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Gasol may argueably be a top 30 player. Amare is no lower than top 15 though and D'Antoni is wasting him with his system and small ball. I'd trade Marion for Shaq in an instant. Marion in the playoffs isn't very valueable anyway. Shaq would instantly make us a very good defensive team and people would realize that Amare is not that bad defensively when he has another big next to him that can defend the basket and the other teams biggest player allowing Amare to defend a smaller guy.

Did I read this right? Shaq would instantly make the Suns a very good defensive team? The same Shaq that hasn't played defense since 2000? What are you smoking? Shaq is probably one of the worst defensive centers in the league. He's lazy, slow and has no interest in playing defense.

Also it's pretty bad to say that Amare wouldn't look so bad on defense if he had someone that was really good on defense to help him. That's like saying Nash wouldn't look so bad defensively if he had someone who could help guard his man.
 

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This is very short sighted. They already have a deep young bench, and will have the MLE every year. Plus vet min types will flock to Los Angeles with the the potential they will have even in the future.


....ok, I know they will have their MLE..

Its just too depressing to think after a brief 5 year run, win no championships, and NOW the Lakers run is about to commence...

The only thing we suns fans can hold onto is our short-sightedness, that says if we can get through these next two years (BTW, this year and next year I think the Lakers should be and will be Favored Contenders) that they won't be as good..

But the reality is we have a cheap owner, and the Lakers Don't, the bottom line and difference between a franchise that has won many championships and a franchise who has NEVER won one....

:sad:
 

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yeah... however, they won't have ANY money for F.A. and will be locked into a Core of Kobe, Bynam, Gasol....

Thats a solid core, but they will have to have a below average SF/PG... It doesn't matter if your Owner is willing to pay or not, the bottom line is you won't have ANY Cap room, and no draft picks... So the realistic Starting 5 core you will have is

PG: Farmar
SG: Kobe
SF: Walton
PF: Gasol
C: Bynam

Take into account that the bench will be filled with the a bunch of League minimum guys, and I just don't think that team is Deep/Strong enough to compete for a championship year in and year out.....

Just curious. Why do you assume that Odom is gone? They have his Bird Rights. They don't care about the salary ramifications or the luxury tax. Mitch Kupchak is on record saying that he sees no reason why Lamar isn't a long term option:

"There's no reason why this can't be a longterm thing for Lamar," Kupchak said. "He's got a year and a half left on his contract. I think he's the perfect complement to these guys. He's so unselfish; he doesn't care about scoring. He may end up being [a guy who gets] 10 points, 12 rebounds, eight to 10 assists."

Personally, I think this is the best possible situation for Lamar. With a lineup of Fisher/Farmar, Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum he has no pressure to score. He can be him, and setup teammates, rebound, and get out and run.

If this team works, I can't see any reason to believe that Lamar doesn't have a future with the team. If it doesn't work out, we will have plenty of options for sign and trade.

Also, this team is as deep as any team in the league. Our bench has Turiaf, Radmonovic, Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, Walton, who have all played well this year. Not sure why you think all of a sudden they will not have quality depth or assume we will lose key members so easily.
 

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Personally, I think this is the best possible situation for Lamar. With a lineup of Fisher/Farmar, Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum he has no pressure to score. He can be him, and setup teammates, rebound, and get out and run.

Totally. I think his game has always been as a #3/#4 guy and that is finally happening.
 

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Woo hoo! Great deal for the Lakers.

Hate to see Crit go, but man, Gasol and Bynum down low will be siiick.

my only question (and mind you, i think it's a great trade for the lakers) is how do you play two low post players at the same time. there is only room in the post for one. and while gasol has an adequate jumper, it's not really his main weapon. you won't be maximizing him. usually when you have a nice post player (like ewing or shaq) you try to team him with an enforcer who hits a nice j (like oakley or horace grant). two posts is unusual and likely crowded.
 

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my only question (and mind you, i think it's a great trade for the lakers) is how do you play two low post players at the same time. there is only room in the post for one. and while gasol has an adequate jumper, it's not really his main weapon. you won't be maximizing him. usually when you have a nice post player (like ewing or shaq) you try to team him with an enforcer who hits a nice j (like oakley or horace grant). two posts is unusual and likely crowded.


I haven't watched Gasol as much as some have, but he seems to have a nice face up game, and most likely will be able to work a lot out of the high post. He has good assist numbers for a big, and when he catches he almost always faces up. In the triangle as a post guy, most touches are at the high post or as a low post threat. I think he gives them the ability to have him play all over the place. Wether Andrew is in the game or not.

Plus, so far in Bynum's development, he has shown a nice ability to pass and to get weakside lobs. His post game is coming along, but he isn't a guy that can only score from the deep block.

I think those two guys will be able to play off each other very well. Especially in the triangle, where plays are based off of strong side (3 players in 'triangle') and weak side (other two players), and will allow both guys to be threats. Also, teaming the two of those with Odom, will give us an advantage on both the offensive and defensive boards almost every night.

There will definetly be an adjustment period, which is why I am still personally not among the group expecting a championship this year. However, the trade leaves us with the biggest front line in the league, with a multiple of guys that have ability (especially rebounding and scoring).
 

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So, are the Lakers fans prepared to admit that all of their fanfare about what a great post defender Brown is was a bunch of homeristic nonsense? I haven't heard one whit about how the Lakers are going to miss Brown's rugged defense.
 

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The Suns trade 2008, 2010 firsts, and a serviceable center with an expiring contract for cap relief.

The Lakers trade 2008, 2010 firsts, and a servicable center with an expiring contract for an All Star center.

Sarver is officially ********.

well you forgot crittendon, but we sub in tucker.

but i appreciate your summarizing what happened. i think your post should be reposted every other post in this thread as it is ultimately the one post that means anything.
 

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The Suns trade 2008, 2010 firsts, and a serviceable center with an expiring contract for cap relief.

The Lakers trade 2008, 2010 firsts, and a servicable center with an expiring contract for an All Star center.

Sarver is officially ********.

These posts which deal in ignorant absolutes are pretty funny. As if the market in the offseason was exactly as it is today.
 

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