OT - Russell Wilson gets paid

[Shane]

I will say that Arians is really outsmarting his self by keeping Butler is a punter what a joke

 

[Darkside]

And, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[splitsecond]

Just revisiting this.

-Foles is a team captain.
-Starting QB for the Rams.
-Just had a hell of a game beating Seattle.

18/27 297 yards no int



...but not NFL caliber. Got it.


Care to revisit your hilarious previous take?

Haha, I was trying to find this post, nice work.

Not only that, but Foles was able to forget the strip and score that just happened to him to take the team downfield, exploit the mismatch with Dion Bailey, and tie the game.

Foles is a gamer.

 

[D-Dogg]

I will say that Arians is really outsmarting his self by keeping Butler is a punter what a joke

Driveby!!!

 

[TJ]

Just revisiting this.

-Foles is a team captain.
-Starting QB for the Rams.
-Just had a hell of a game beating Seattle.

18/27 297 yards no int



...but not NFL caliber. Got it.


Care to revisit your hilarious previous take?

Haha, I was trying to find this post, nice work.

Not only that, but Foles was able to forget the strip and score that just happened to him to take the team downfield, exploit the mismatch with Dion Bailey, and tie the game.

Foles is a gamer.

Blah blah blah, DVOA, Blah blah blah, F.O. says otherwise.

 

[kerouac9]

Just revisiting this.

-Foles is a team captain.
-Starting QB for the Rams.
-Just had a hell of a game beating Seattle.

18/27 297 yards no int



...but not NFL caliber. Got it.


Care to revisit your hilarious previous take?

Haha, I was trying to find this post, nice work.

Not only that, but Foles was able to forget the strip and score that just happened to him to take the team downfield, exploit the mismatch with Dion Bailey, and tie the game.

Foles is a gamer.

Blah blah blah, DVOA, Blah blah blah, F.O. says otherwise.

Rams Bench Nick Foles for Case Keenum

https://twitter.com/STLouisRams/status/666391188648366080

LOL. Of the 31 quarterbacks with at least 150 pass attempts this year, Foles is in the bottom four in completion percentage, yards per pass, and touchdown percentage. You guys are super-smart.

 

[TJ]

Rams Bench Nick Foles for Case Keenum

https://twitter.com/STLouisRams/status/666391188648366080

LOL. Of the 31 quarterbacks with at least 150 pass attempts this year, Foles is in the bottom four in completion percentage, yards per pass, and touchdown percentage. You guys are super-smart.

Hope you didnt trip and fall running at full speed to the computer once you heard this news. While we're at it, we can continue to discuss how Russell Wilson is somehow still a Top-3 QB in the league, in your opinion.

As for the Rams--if Fisher thinks Foles is the problem with their offense, then he really is misguided. That offense, aside from Gurley, has no talent whatsoever. Also, the play calling as a whole has really been suspect.

 

[cardncubfan]

Rams Bench Nick Foles for Case Keenum

https://twitter.com/STLouisRams/status/666391188648366080

LOL. Of the 31 quarterbacks with at least 150 pass attempts this year, Foles is in the bottom four in completion percentage, yards per pass, and touchdown percentage. You guys are super-smart.

I tend to agree with you on Foles. I watch a lot of Rams games & besides the game against us this year he's just not very accurate & makes bad decisions.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I've said all along that Russell Wilson, and Kaep for that matter, were way overrated.

Does that make me super smart ?

Or do I have to spout meaningless DYAR, DVOAR, WAR, OBPS+, fIP, xFip, et al, stats to get that distinction?

 

[cardpa]

Originally Posted by ozzfloyd View Post
Just revisiting this.

-Foles is a team captain.
-Starting QB for the Rams.
-Just had a hell of a game beating Seattle.

18/27 297 yards no int



...but not NFL caliber. Got it.


Care to revisit your hilarious previous take?

LOL. Of the 31 quarterbacks with at least 150 pass attempts this year, Foles is in the bottom four in completion percentage, yards per pass, and touchdown percentage. You guys are super-smart.

BS K9, you were not just revisiting, you wanted to shove it in their faces. You are a sorry little man for doing stuff like this. The mods can ban me if they want but anyone who pulls this kind of crap just to agitate other posters should be banned also. That's all your post was about. I always thought you would be above stuff like this however I was wrong.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

BS K9, you were not just revisiting, you wanted to shove it in their faces. You are a sorry little man for doing stuff like this. The mods can ban me if they want but anyone who pulls this kind of crap just to agitate other posters should be banned also. That's all your post was about. I always thought you would be above stuff like this however I was wrong.

Trying to prove you're smarter than someone else on a fan message board, and then trying to take glee in the fact that they may have been wrong about something, is, to me, signs of low self-esteem and insecurity.

It's okay to stick by your guns and argue your side on something because, obviously, that's your opinion and you think it's right. I've been in the minority plenty of times, Beanie Wells and Antrel Rolle come to mind, that doesn't mean I'm smarter than the other person(s) or vice versa. Even though I usually am .

There are plenty of times I've disagreed with something Mitch, Cheese, Rugby, Shane, K9, and many others have posted where both sides you could tell would get ticked off a little bit. That doesn't mean I'm going to call them out if I was right or they were wrong. Well, I might if it was Shane .

Heck, back in the day, me and Wisconsin used to go at it. These days I consider him a good friend, we go to games together, and we were even supposed to go on a cruise together(not just the 2 of us, not that there's anything wrong with that ) but my side had to cancel.

 

[kerouac9]

I've said all along that Russell Wilson, and Kaep for that matter, were way overrated.

Does that make me super smart ?

Or do I have to spout meaningless DYAR, DVOAR, WAR, OBPS+, fIP, xFip, et al, stats to get that distinction?

I've been there with Kaep, but I think that we can hold fire on Russell Wilson for a little while. 1) He's a guy who's won at least one playoff game every year of his career, and 2) He's been to two Super Bowls.

Considering how the year has gone for Luck and Peyton, I think that it's fair to say that Wilson is still at least a top 7 QB, if not a Top 5 guy. If the Seahawks end up going 9-7 and just missing/making the playoffs as a wild card, are you going to turn around on this?

I think the sample size suggesting that Wilson is a top QB is bigger than the one that says that he's a chump — particularly when his "bad" season still has him putting up a QB rating of 91+ when he's throwing to guys who couldn't make the Cards' practice squad.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I've been there with Kaep, but I think that we can hold fire on Russell Wilson for a little while. 1) He's a guy who's won at least one playoff game every year of his career, and 2) He's been to two Super Bowls.

Considering how the year has gone for Luck and Peyton, I think that it's fair to say that Wilson is still at least a top 7 QB, if not a Top 5 guy. If the Seahawks end up going 9-7 and just missing/making the playoffs as a wild card, are you going to turn around on this?

I think the sample size suggesting that Wilson is a top QB is bigger than the one that says that he's a chump — particularly when his "bad" season still has him putting up a QB rating of 91+ when he's throwing to guys who couldn't make the Cards' practice squad.

Why would I change my mind on Wilson if they make the playoffs when I didn't think all that highly of him after making back to back SB's?

I think he's limited as a passer and it's showing more this year because teams are doing a better job of keeping him in the pocket. Mobility-wise he's a top 3 QB but as a pocket passer he doesn't sniff the top 10. He's thrown for more than 251 yards once this year. If the running game and defense aren't up to snuff, he's going to have a hard time carrying a team, in the fashion Palmer did on Sunday, and winning a high scoring affair.

I prefer QB's like Palmer, Rodgers, Brady, Ben where if things aren't going to plan, you can set him back there, have him throw it 50+ times, and are comfortable with it.

 

[TigToad]

BS K9, you were not just revisiting, you wanted to shove it in their faces. You are a sorry little man for doing stuff like this. The mods can ban me if they want but anyone who pulls this kind of crap just to agitate other posters should be banned also. That's all your post was about. I always thought you would be above stuff like this however I was wrong.

I think this is way more of an over reaction to someone revisiting an argument they appear to have won. Feel free to disagree, admit you're wrong, or provide new evidence, but I don't get the rage at someone saying they think they were right.

 

[kerouac9]

Why would I change my mind on Wilson if they make the playoffs when I didn't think all that highly of him after making back to back SB's?

I think he's limited as a passer and it's showing more this year because teams are doing a better job of keeping him in the pocket. Mobility-wise he's a top 3 QB but as a pocket passer he doesn't sniff the top 10. He's thrown for more than 251 yards once this year. If the running game and defense aren't up to snuff, he's going to have a hard time carrying a team, in the fashion Palmer did on Sunday, and winning a high scoring affair.

I prefer QB's like Palmer, Rodgers, Brady, Ben where if things aren't going to plan, you can set him back there, have him throw it 50+ times, and are comfortable with it.

So no amount of evidence would convince you that you're wrong on Wilson? That's super-smart.

I don't really care about your preference, although I'd argue that Ben and Rodgers had and have plus athleticism and mobility — part of the reason that Rodgers is struggling right now is that teams are doing a better job of making him stay in the pocket and his receivers can't get open.

Wilson is mobile, but he uses his mobility more like a young Roethlisberger or Rodgers — Wilson averages two more carries per game than Aaron Rodgers does for their respective careers.

 

[Dude]

I've been there with Kaep, but I think that we can hold fire on Russell Wilson for a little while. 1) He's a guy who's won at least one playoff game every year of his career, and 2) He's been to two Super Bowls.

Considering how the year has gone for Luck and Peyton, I think that it's fair to say that Wilson is still at least a top 7 QB, if not a Top 5 guy. If the Seahawks end up going 9-7 and just missing/making the playoffs as a wild card, are you going to turn around on this?

I think the sample size suggesting that Wilson is a top QB is bigger than the one that says that he's a chump — particularly when his "bad" season still has him putting up a QB rating of 91+ when he's throwing to guys who couldn't make the Cards' practice squad.

I have always thought without that D and running game playing at such a high level he would be just ok. IMO this year is proving that. He's a good piece but not a piece that can lift the rest of the team. He's the Jim McMahon to the 85 Bears. In today's cap league if you're going to pay top five QB money you don't give it to a Jim McMahon.

I will add his 91.5 QB rating puts him 15th among starters. Alex Smith is 16th with 91.2

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So no amount of evidence would convince you that you're wrong on Wilson? That's super-smart.

I don't really care about your preference, although I'd argue that Ben and Rodgers had and have plus athleticism and mobility — part of the reason that Rodgers is struggling right now is that teams are doing a better job of making him stay in the pocket and his receivers can't get open.

Wilson is mobile, but he uses his mobility more like a young Roethlisberger or Rodgers — Wilson averages two more carries per game than Aaron Rodgers does for their respective careers.

Seeing as how their own OC won't design an offense that's based on Wilson's passing ability, I'm pretty good with my assessment.
When he shows he can carry a team by passing the ball, then my opinion will change. Or, you know, maybe throw for 300 yards once in a game this year.

But I understand that if you like him, he must be good because obviously you are super smart. You even subscribe to magazines that use DVOA and things like that. That's way too smart for my peanut brain. Please keep me informed on who is good and who isn't because it's really hard for me to tell.

 

[kerouac9]

Seeing as how their own OC won't design an offense that's based on Wilson's passing ability, I'm pretty good with my assessment.
When he shows he can carry a team by passing the ball, then my opinion will change. Or, you know, maybe throw for 300 yards once in a game this year.

But I understand that if you like him, he must be good because obviously you are super smart. You even subscribe to magazines that use DVOA and things like that. That's way too smart for my peanut brain. Please keep me informed on who is good and who isn't because it's really hard for me to tell.

Well, Darrell Bevel is his OC, and that guy sucks. I'm not going to put much faith in what that guy can and can't design.

What does it mean to "carry a team by passing the ball"? If you can rush for 1200 yards a season or whatever, then why not do it? Why doesn't efficiency matter? Does it not count that Wilson might have the worst receiving targets in the league?

 

[Dude]

Why would I change my mind on Wilson if they make the playoffs when I didn't think all that highly of him after making back to back SB's?

I think he's limited as a passer and it's showing more this year because teams are doing a better job of keeping him in the pocket. Mobility-wise he's a top 3 QB but as a pocket passer he doesn't sniff the top 10. He's thrown for more than 251 yards once this year. If the running game and defense aren't up to snuff, he's going to have a hard time carrying a team, in the fashion Palmer did on Sunday, and winning a high scoring affair.

I prefer QB's like Palmer, Rodgers, Brady, Ben where if things aren't going to plan, you can set him back there, have him throw it 50+ times, and are comfortable with it.

+1

 

[WisconsinCard]

Heck, back in the day, me and Wisconsin used to go at it. These days I consider him a good friend, we go to games together, and we were even supposed to go on a cruise together(not just the 2 of us, not that there's anything wrong with that ) but my side had to cancel.

Glad you cleared that up....

But I also don't see Russell Wilson as a big money QB. I know QBs hate to hear this but IMO if you Google game manager his picture would pop up first. Without their defense and running game RW doesn't sniff that huge contract he just signed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Well, Darrell Bevel is his OC, and that guy sucks. I'm not going to put much faith in what that guy can and can't design.

What does it mean to "carry a team by passing the ball"? If you can rush for 1200 yards a season or whatever, then why not do it? Why doesn't efficiency matter? Does it not count that Wilson might have the worst receiving targets in the league?

So now we're going with the OC sucks counterpoint. Got it.


I'm guessing, but am pretty sure he knows Wilson's strengths and weaknesses better than you and designs an offense best suited for his limited skill set. Also, Jimmy Graham didn't seem to be a pedestrian TE in NO.

Cam Newton has at least shown some ability to win games with his arm with a much worse receiving corps as evidenced 2 weeks ago when he threw for 297 and 3 TD's. He also had another game with 315 yards and 2 TD's.

Russell Wilson has 4 career regular season games in which he's thrown for over 300 yards. Conversely, he has 21 career regular season games where he thrown for UNDER 200 yards.

 

[kerouac9]

So now we're going with the OC sucks counterpoint. Got it.


I'm guessing, but am pretty sure he knows Wilson's strengths and weaknesses better than you and designs an offense best suited for his limited skill set. Also, Jimmy Graham didn't seem to be a pedestrian TE in NO.

Cam Newton has at least shown some ability to win games with his arm with a much worse receiving corps as evidenced 2 weeks ago when he threw for 297 and 3 TD's. He also had another game with 315 yards and 2 TD's.

Russell Wilson has 4 career regular season games in which he's thrown for over 300 yards. Conversely, he has 21 career regular season games where he thrown for UNDER 200 yards.

Whatever you do, don't engage with an argument. Make sure you dismiss any point that you don't agree with. Explain what would make anyone think that Darrel Bevell is a good OC.

I'd guess that Bevell designs game plans best suited to maximize the Seahawks' opportunity to win.

Jimmy Graham looked pretty pedestrian last season, and that doesn't change the fact that none of Wilson's wide receivers would make the Cardinals' practice squad.

Why should 300 passing yards be a magic number? For someone who tries to put me on a cross about arbitrary/meaningless stats, it doesn't get more meaningless or arbitrary than some benchmark number. Josh McCown has 5 300+ yard games and a 400+ yard game in the last two seasons. Is he better than Russell Wilson?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When Darrel Bevell had a real NFL QB in 2009, their team put up 470 points which was good for 2nd in the league and top 3 in yards. Of course, I'm sure you'd rather judge him when he had the likes of Tavaris Jackson, Russell Wilson, and Gus Frerrotte at QB.

McCown's stretch with Chicago is better than anything than Wilson has remotely resembled.

Funny how you arbitrarily forget to mention the fact of 21 games with under 200 yards passing.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Wilson has a very good arm, very accurate and he is smart... but he is short and athletic, so he will always be a guy who tends to scramble because he has to leave the pocket and will never be able to rack up three hundred yard games which in this league now is sometimes required to win

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I also think it's pretty funny that he calls 300 yards an arbitrary stat yet if you do a search, it's not too hard to find a list of most 300 yard passing games in the NFL.

Bums like Peyton Mannig, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre are the leaders, arbitrarily speaking.