OT - Russell Wilson gets paid

[kerouac9]

http://deadspin.com/russell-wilson-finally-got-himself-paid-1721304097

4 years, $60M guaranteed, $87.6M total.

I think that fans hoping that Wilson won't step up to the plate as the defense and running game revert to the mean are going to be disappointed. I think his career trajectory is going to look like Drew Brees more than—say—Donovan McNabb.

 

[BigRedRage]

I hope his contract thins out the talent on their team.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

I hope his contract thins out the talent on their team.

That is possibility. Just doing to basic math on the deal 4 years at 87mill comes out to about 20-21 mill cap hit each year. Plus Sherman who is at least 12 million cap hit and others who want a pay day will cause them to have some problems in the next year or so.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I hope his contract thins out the talent on their team.

Totally agree. It's about time the Seachickens have to pay their QB. That's a large chunk of money that will eat into their salary cap.

 

[Ronin]

Good for Wilson. I don't know how the Seahawks plan to pay Wagner, Bennett, and Chancellor to contract extension.

 

[TJ]

Totally agree. It's about time the Seachickens have to pay their QB. That's a large chunk of money that will eat into their salary cap.

Many teams have big ticket QBs like Green Bay; yet, find ways to make the team competitive year in and year out. Wilson's deal does not preclude the team from re-signing players and bringing in new talent.

It certainly makes it difficult, but not impossible.

 

[kerouac9]

Totally agree. It's about time the Seachickens have to pay their QB. That's a large chunk of money that will eat into their salary cap.

Carson Palmer's cap numbers:
2015 - $7.37M
2016 - $19.1M
2017 - $22.6M

Next year about half the 'Hawks salary cap will be devoured by Wilson, Sherman, Thomas, and Graham. Russel Okung and Bobby Wagner are both pending free agents.

 

[Buckybird]

I hope his contract thins out the talent on their team.

Most of their talent is locked up besides Wagner. I hate to say it but they ain't going to be mediocre for a while especially since they've got a pretty damn good QB running the show.

Btw I think this is a bargain compared to what the next QBs (Luck & future) will probably make & this allows Wilson to ca$h in once more.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Good, because I think the Russell Wilson we saw for the majority of the NFC championship game is closer to the real Russell Wilson. He makes some crazy plays sometimes but I think his success is more a product of the dominance of the Seattle defense and running game. And once some of those pieces start to fall off we will see what happens.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Carson Palmer's cap numbers:
2015 - $7.37M
2016 - $19.1M
2017 - $22.6M

Next year about half the 'Hawks salary cap will be devoured by Wilson, Sherman, Thomas, and Graham. Russel Okung and Bobby Wagner are both pending free agents.

And Kam Chancellor is holding out right now for a new deal. Good luck with that Kam!

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/07/30/seattle-seahawks-kam-chancellor-hold-out-training-camp

Michael Bennett also considered holding out but ended up changing his mind and showed up to camp. He is seeking a new deal as well.

The Seahawks are going to have a lot of big mouths to feed with very little left to go around.

 

[AZCrazy]

They've gotten so lucky the past few years paying Wilson 3rd round rookie contract money. Time to pay the piper. It's actually an 'extension', which allows them five years to pay out the money, not four, so it's not as bad a beat down on their cap as it could have been.

 

[kerouac9]

Good, because I think the Russell Wilson we saw for the majority of the NFC championship game is closer to the real Russell Wilson. He makes some crazy plays sometimes but I think his success is more a product of the dominance of the Seattle defense and running game. And once some of those pieces start to fall off we will see what happens.

So the RW you saw in one game is closer to who he really is than the one you've seen in his entire career? That makes no sense. There was a lot of nonsense out this time last season that the Cards had somehow "solved" Russell Wilson in the Week 16 game in Seattle, and Wilson came out and had the same year he always does, only he also put up 550 yards passing and 150 yards rushing on us in two games — both very comfortable wins.

And Kam Chancellor is holding out right now for a new deal. Good luck with that Kam!

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/07/30/seattle-seahawks-kam-chancellor-hold-out-training-camp

Michael Bennett also considered holding out but ended up changing his mind and showed up to camp. He is seeking a new deal as well.

The Seahawks are going to have a lot of big mouths to feed with very little left to go around.

Yeah, good luck on that, Kam. I think he figures he can get a $1M bonus or something because he's the only healthy starting safety through training camp.

The Seahawks are kind of locked in to the Colts model under Manning where they could pay 6 veterans and had to draft well and smartly around them. Bobby Wagner can get $5M a year, but I don't think they have the money to pay Okung, and Wilson is going to have a rotating cast of wideouts for a while.

 

[CFLredzoned]

That's great news! I was starting to worry that he'd hold out and the Seahawks would get one more year of having their cake and eating it too. Maybe they will anyway. I wonder what his cap hit will be for 2015?

I also wonder who caved? Wasn't Wilson looking for something around $24-26 mil/year? This new deal is $21.9 mil/year. That sounds like what the Seahawks were offering all along. Maybe it's the guarantee that got him. $60 mil is really close to that elusive 100% guarantee number people have been talking about. I'm sure Andrew Brandt will be on the Ross Tucker podcast bitching and moaning that he didn't hold out for the 100%.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So the RW you saw in one game is closer to who he really is than the one you've seen in his entire career? That makes no sense. There was a lot of nonsense out this time last season that the Cards had somehow "solved" Russell Wilson in the Week 16 game in Seattle, and Wilson came out and had the same year he always does, only he also put up 550 yards passing and 150 yards rushing on us in two games — both very comfortable wins.



Yeah, good luck on that, Kam. I think he figures he can get a $1M bonus or something because he's the only healthy starting safety through training camp.

The Seahawks are kind of locked in to the Colts model under Manning where they could pay 6 veterans and had to draft well and smartly around them. Bobby Wagner can get $5M a year, but I don't think they have the money to pay Okung, and Wilson is going to have a rotating cast of wideouts for a while.

Unfortunately I think you are right.

My one point is that after a few years of magical personnel moves, the only good players the Seahawks have added have been proven veterans. Their drafts haven't provided any players that are regular players.

Losing Okung next year after losing Unger this year is going to hurt, especially considering that they likely won't have a good enough draft pick to bring in that coveted franchise LT. I think Tom Cable is starting to seem Russ Grimmish; apparently he is the one who tells the front office to draft for the O line and they haven't really brought in any good players in years.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Russell Wilson is a short QB who can scramble but he also has a decent arm and is very accurate. Still, he is never going to be the passer Drew Brees was or is and I have not seen a game yet where Wilson carved up and read a defense like Brees. All this being said, he is worth his contract because in the field of the NFL right now... young good QBs like him are rare in my opinion

 

[MadCardDisease]

Well at least we know Wilson is smart. He finalized his Divorce way before he negotiated his new mega contract. Saved him MILLIONS.

 

[kerouac9]

Unfortunately I think you are right.

My one point is that after a few years of magical personnel moves, the only good players the Seahawks have added have been proven veterans. Their drafts haven't provided any players that are regular players.

Losing Okung next year after losing Unger this year is going to hurt, especially considering that they likely won't have a good enough draft pick to bring in that coveted franchise LT. I think Tom Cable is starting to seem Russ Grimmish; apparently he is the one who tells the front office to draft for the O line and they haven't really brought in any good players in years.

I don't know. A lot of people thought we found our franchise LT late in the first round a couple months ago. Okung's good, but he's rarely healthy, and Wilson makes that group look better and worse than it is. OTOH, it's much easier to find a run-blocking LT who's average at pass pro in the late 1st-early 3rd round range (Where our current LT was drafted) than it is to find Trent Williams.

Yeah--they're going to have to manufacture a pass rush, because they've invested kind of weirdly in their defense – most teams find a way to make do with middling safeties.

Russell Wilson is a short QB who can scramble but he also has a decent arm and is very accurate. Still, he is never going to be the passer Drew Brees was or is and I have not seen a game yet where carved up and read a defense like Brees. All this being said, he is worth his contract because in the field of the NFL right now... young good QBs like him are rare in my opinion

Check out the way he carved up Atlanta in the NFC Divisional Round game his rookie season(?). He was also 21 of 32 for 339 yards and 2 TDs in our house last year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I do think you are overrating Wilson as a passer.

I've never gotten the sense that if you could lock down the Seahawks ground game (including Wilson QB rushes), that he could beat you with his arm. He's the game manager to the Michael Vick pizzaz. Where Mike Vick made the big play, but the the big mistake, Wilson often makes very ordinary plays, but rarely makes huge plays himself. I'm not saying he's Steve Bono or anything, but he isn't a freak athlete either.

He is the proverbial, takes what the defense gives him type of player, and when the defense no longer has to key in on Lynch and oh btw, he has a terrible offensive line in front of him, I doubt he can carry an offense. And if you are being paid Rodgers money, you have to carry an offense at times.

 

[TJ]

I do think you are overrating Wilson as a passer.



I've never gotten the sense that if you could lock down the Seahawks ground game (including Wilson QB rushes), that he could beat you with his arm. He's the game manager to the Michael Vick pizzaz. Where Mike Vick made the big play, but the the big mistake, Wilson often makes very ordinary plays, but rarely makes huge plays himself. I'm not saying he's Steve Bono or anything, but he isn't a freak athlete either.



He is the proverbial, takes what the defense gives him type of player, and when the defense no longer has to key in on Lynch and oh btw, he has a terrible offensive line in front of him, I doubt he can carry an offense. And if you are being paid Rodgers money, you have to carry an offense at times.

Agree. Put Wilson on the Jags and he's just a decent QB. He's a game manager who fits will with the offense he's in.

 

[GatorAZ]

Wilson will have the best season of his career with actual pass catchers who weren't UDFA's. Notably J Graham.

 

[kerouac9]

I do think you are overrating Wilson as a passer.

I've never gotten the sense that if you could lock down the Seahawks ground game (including Wilson QB rushes), that he could beat you with his arm. He's the game manager to the Michael Vick pizzaz. Where Mike Vick made the big play, but the the big mistake, Wilson often makes very ordinary plays, but rarely makes huge plays himself. I'm not saying he's Steve Bono or anything, but he isn't a freak athlete either.

He is the proverbial, takes what the defense gives him type of player, and when the defense no longer has to key in on Lynch and oh btw, he has a terrible offensive line in front of him, I doubt he can carry an offense. And if you are being paid Rodgers money, you have to carry an offense at times.

I think I'm probably properly rating him as a passer.

- 64.4% career completion percentage is three points higher than Drew Brees first three years as a starter.
- 7.9 YPA is solidly above-average (actually top 10 in the NFL the last three years, but whatever)
- 20+ TDs for three straight seasons (Brees didn't throw 20 TDs until his third season as a starter)

His raw yardage totals aren't great, but it's because the Hawks don't need to pass all the time because their defense is good and they're always playing with a big lead. And look at Wilson's receiving targets the last three years! None of those guys would start for the Cards or maybe half the other teams in the NFL.

You and TJ are acting like he's Alex Smith or Andy Dalton backed by a better defense. That's utter nonsense. Even Brees had Antonio Gates and Keenan McCardell to go with LDT.

 

[RINGLESS]

Everyone is missing a huge huge point. It was an extension. So in essence it's a 5 year deal at 81 million. The bonus is spread out over the contract. I don't know why the word extension is so hard to understand. It works out to 16.7 million a year over the next 5 years. Not 21. Hawks got a bargain.

 

[RINGLESS]

I think I'm probably properly rating him as a passer.

- 64.4% career completion percentage is three points higher than Drew Brees first three years as a starter.
- 7.9 YPA is solidly above-average (actually top 10 in the NFL the last three years, but whatever)
- 20+ TDs for three straight seasons (Brees didn't throw 20 TDs until his third season as a starter)

His raw yardage totals aren't great, but it's because the Hawks don't need to pass all the time because their defense is good and they're always playing with a big lead. And look at Wilson's receiving targets the last three years! None of those guys would start for the Cards or maybe half the other teams in the NFL.

You and TJ are acting like he's Alex Smith or Andy Dalton backed by a better defense. That's utter nonsense. Even Brees had Antonio Gates and Keenan McCardell to go with LDT.

That doesn't even take into account his rushing stats as a dual threat qb. How many times have we watched a sure sack be evaded by Russell with his spin moves and agility just to burn us?

 

[TJ]

I think I'm probably properly rating him as a passer.

- 64.4% career completion percentage is three points higher than Drew Brees first three years as a starter.
- 7.9 YPA is solidly above-average (actually top 10 in the NFL the last three years, but whatever)
- 20+ TDs for three straight seasons (Brees didn't throw 20 TDs until his third season as a starter)

His raw yardage totals aren't great, but it's because the Hawks don't need to pass all the time because their defense is good and they're always playing with a big lead. And look at Wilson's receiving targets the last three years! None of those guys would start for the Cards or maybe half the other teams in the NFL.

You and TJ are acting like he's Alex Smith or Andy Dalton backed by a better defense. That's utter nonsense. Even Brees had Antonio Gates and Keenan McCardell to go with LDT.

Oddly enough, Alex Smith also plays (and had played in SF) with an elite defense and great running back. As you said, he doesn't need to do much--there's very little pressure for him to dominant.

Now, put Wilson on a team like the Jaguars without the talent and coaching Seattle has. Does he add 3-4 wins to that team?

I'm not saying he's bad, but any talk of him being Top 5, or even Top 10, is a bit outrageous

 

[kerouac9]

Oddly enough, Alex Smith also plays (and had played in SF) with an elite defense and great running back. As you said, he doesn't need to do much--there's very little pressure for him to dominant.

Now, put Wilson on a team like the Jaguars without the talent and coaching Seattle has. Does he add 3-4 wins to that team?

I'm not saying he's bad, but any talk of him being Top 5, or even Top 10, is a bit outrageous

This is hilarious coming from someone who thinks that Nick Foles is an NFL-caliber QB:

https://twitter.com/smartfootball/status/509754386374221824

Wilson has never even had the caliber of receiving target that Marcedes Lewis is. And his offensive line has been nearly as bad. Yes, Wilson is worth 3-4 wins to the Jags.

Alex Smith's rate stats the last three seasons are still lower than Wilson's. Completion % is about the same, but Wilson's YPA is almost a yard greater, and Smith only has 1 20 TD season in the last three. Also, you know, Dewayne Bowe and Travic Kelce and Dexter McCluster would all be better targets than anyone Wilson has ever had the opportunity to throw the ball to.