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kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
Yikes. This is real bust-level talk. It's sooooo easy for ILBs to make a big impact in their rookie years.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
We obviously missed when factoring in the adjustment from Tulsa's 3-3 to a Vance NFL defense. I think the same argument can be made about Simmons. Keim thought he could give Vance a top-athlete and Vance would coach them up which obviously has never happened.
I know Dvontel disagrees, but it seemed like the natural spots for Simmons was at S and Collins at EDGE in the base defense. Neither player has the natural instincts to play inside as a full time player. Yes, Simmons would have needed to play LB in sub packages but that is where you can get creative. Same with Collins. He was never going to be a pass rushing force on the EDGE, but he has enough size and length to be able to set the edge, drop into coverage when needed, and effort some sacks.
Agree.
Simmons has always been a safety who was big enough to play linebacker.
Simmons has always been a safety who was big enough to play linebacker.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
What doesn't help is that there were 6 EDGE players who had 4 or more sacks drafted after Collins.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Like, Collins could end up being another Andy Isabella in terms of where he was selected and the quality of players at a similar position that he was selected over.
juza76
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I have a feeling he is not anywhere ready to be a real pro, im not optimistic about him, hope to be wrong
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
I think Vance is gone after this season because he's continually clowned Keim's personnel moves and you can't do that and get retained. Vance Joseph's defenses have overperformed their personnel the past three seasons IMO and will likely do so again next year. But it won't matter because Keim'll be Big Mad that Simmons and Collins are playing less than he'd like (IMO).
Won't be surprised to see Vigil playing 40% or more snaps by week six.
I have no idea what the disconnect here is between the scouting staff and the coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball. I feel like it's Keim because it's mostly the high-round picks; the lower-round picks seem to have no problem integrating into the defense quickly.
reebokalone2001
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Your analysis is spot on, but God I don't think I can take another 1st round ILB pick year.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Injuries stink and there's not much you can do about them, save hope you don't become injury plagued. Bad practices? That's much more worrisome.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Uh, if ZC can't call defenses year 2, we have a major problem. Not just whispering the B word, but as in, who IS calling the defensive plays? Why'd we pick this guy again?
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I won't be surprised if Vigil starts by week 6.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Oh brother.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Zaven Collins is going to have a great season.
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
Maybe if you say it a few more times, it'll happen.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
AJ Green says Rondale is the most explosive receiver he has ever seen.
Metcalf Rules
Hall of Famer
Or as the great Winnie the Pooh would say, “Oh bother!”
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
I hope so. We haven't seen anything from him yet, and now we're hearing troublesome words from his very own mouth.
Who is going to call the defensive plays? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I wouldn't so far to say that it is troublesome. I'd say that it is a bit worrying, and quite refreshing. How often do you see young players taking responsibility for their bad practices?
It's what we want from Kyler right? Find the things that you can work on, and work hard to do so.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Yes, but if he can't get the mental aspect of the game right this year, while clearly knowing he needs to...bust city.
Why is saying one of our players will be good repeatedly a bad thing? But saying our players suck repeatedly is ok?
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Huh, go figure. Bad practices and mental errors. So exactly what I said all season as to why he was sitting behind hicks and why he wasn’t a good player last season. Here’s hoping he’s improved the mental side of the game this year!
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Hope he’s right. Hope he stays on the field too.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
One is a hope and the other is an
one is a hope and one is an observation. Neither are bad. Just different.
