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[Gee!]

The military establishment had the Kennedy boys killed, too.. Paranoia needs to disappear from the Cards front office, Coaching staff, team, and fans

wtf?

Your koo koo..

 

[conraddobler]

In the raw emotion of the moment, I say "Bring on Leinart"

But after a cool down period I believe that it was Warner that got us to the Superbowl and you can't just bench him based on one game. The earliest realistic time would be after the week 4 bye. Even if you started 0-3 you can come back in this division and win it at 9-7.

Oh I agree realistically.

We're trapped with Warner and basically hostage for at least that many games.

I don't think any 0 and 3 team has ever made it to the playoffs, I could be wrong but that's the stat I remember, the reason I remember is we played the Cowboys one year and they started off 0 and 2 and then Emmit ended his holdout, they beat us and then went on to win the SB.

In this division yeah we probably could come back but it's not likely.

Still realistically there isn't much you can do, I don't begrudge them starting Warner until the bye even if he dosen't win one game.

If they still hang on to him after that I'm going to get a bit cranky but that's about all the input I'm going to have.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think enough people are blaming Whiz here. The play calling was atrocious. There is one huge difference I see between last years offense and this years. It's unconventional type plays and play calling with some innovation. TH last year would run really weird formations and sometimes unconventional plays to mix up opposing defenses. This offense really looks predictable like the old offenses we had. There were no trick plays, weird formations or anything that appeared imaginative.

I agree that Kurt didn't look that great but that offensive game plan blew chunks. So did the play calling throughout the game. I hate to say it but I really think this team is going to miss TH calling the plays if this keeps up.

I don't get the playcalling thing.

It didn't seem that bad to me, we kept screwing up, penalties and dropped balls and interceptions, I just don't see how come people are focusing on the playcalling, there is no false start on three ready break play.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't get the playcalling thing.

It didn't seem that bad to me, we kept screwing up, penalties and dropped balls and interceptions, I just don't see how come people are focusing on the playcalling, there is no false start on three ready break play.

Your kidding right? No passes to the tight ends. Play after play of throwing out of the back field. Not getting your 2 biggest assets the ball until the 2nd half. Very few plays down the field. This offense reminds me of when we had Larry Centers. It was dump dump dump the ball to Larry with really nothing else going. It's been like that since pre-season.

I could make a laundry list of how unimaginative this offense has looked compared to last year. Also, don't forget that the Whiz comes from a very conventional playbook type offense via the Steelers. There offensive philosophy is considered tame compared to the Cards playbook. This play calling seemed very conservative to me.

 

[conraddobler]

We had one Starter healthy and a QB with accuracy problems so Whis had him throw it to THT who had a great day running after the catch.

We tried a couple of times to throw it downfield and it ended up going the other way.

OC's have to adjust to what's working, the 9ers know us well they took away Fitz and we were left with a true number 4 and a bad hammy guy and our true starting TE is suspended.

Our QB was ratttled to boot, plus our line was a sieve, I don't think Whis called a great game or anything but he didn't have a ton to work with given how it played out.

 

[Covert Rain]

That's just an excuse to me. Last year we had some really bad halves of football with similar problems (bad QB play, no running game, turnovers) etc....

Yet TH found a way to kick start the offense. I have yet to see that in the preseason out of the starters or in this first game. Maybe it is too early but so far, TH is proving he was more valuable then people think.

 

[Rats]

Your kidding right? No passes to the tight ends. Play after play of throwing out of the back field. Not getting your 2 biggest assets the ball until the 2nd half. Very few plays down the field. This offense reminds me of when we had Larry Centers. It was dump dump dump the ball to Larry with really nothing else going. It's been like that since pre-season.

I could make a laundry list of how unimaginative this offense has looked compared to last year. Also, don't forget that the Whiz comes from a very conventional playbook type offense via the Steelers. There offensive philosophy is considered tame compared to the Cards playbook. This play calling seemed very conservative to me.

+1, I put it in another thread that this was not an innovative offense like was called last season. Very vanilla even with all the penalties. Where was the wildcat dump to Boldin or a stand in or a quick hitch to Fitz or anyone else. No, just slants and posts and flags all day. If your strength is in the Wr. then get them the ball and let them make some plays. TH did a good job catching the ball short but he did lousy running behind a terrible line. Just boring unimaginative play calling that really hurt the team in the 1st half of the game. Some form of hurry up after seeing how sluggish they were in the preseason would have been good medicine. Whis did not fill the presciption.

 

[Gee!]

I don't get the playcalling thing.

It didn't seem that bad to me, we kept screwing up, penalties and dropped balls and interceptions, I just don't see how come people are focusing on the playcalling, there is no false start on three ready break play.

Whiz's playcalling is suited to a T for Leinart.. Whiz has been grooming Leinart to be his man.. We had to play Warner last year due to the personal we had.. Haley was a good fit for that.. However, we added more to get to Whiz's liking and the D is now where Whiz wants it (he never liked Clancy).. A balanced offense is whats about to happen .. But Warner had one of his miracle years that he has every 10 years and Whiz kinda got stuck with him for another year or the bangwagoneers would have revolted..

I give Warner 3 games 4 tops before he's yanked.. Im just praying Warner doesnt get us 0-3 or 0-4 before that happens.. It seems quite possible at this point.. Im just hoping me praying to my God is better than Warner praying to his God cuz his doesnt seem to be answering at this point..

 

[conraddobler]

Boldin was playing hurt, Breaston was a last minute surprise scratch and KW had an off day.

It's amazing to me that people think you can fix that with playcalling.

 

[Covert Rain]

Boldin was playing hurt, Breaston was a last minute surprise scratch and KW had an off day.

It's amazing to me that people think you can fix that with playcalling.

The Cards offense has not looked good in camp, preseason or the 1st game of the season. It amazes you think that a healthy Boldin and Breaston would miracle cure that.

 

[Rats]

Boldin was playing hurt, Breaston was a last minute surprise scratch and KW had an off day.

It's amazing to me that people think you can fix that with playcalling.

Conrad, we rushed for 40 something yards and had umpteen penalties. You would have thought there would be some adjmnts made at half time but bubkis...no innovative play calling nothing to fire up an offense that has been lethargic since last Feb. As a Play calling headcoach you need to adj to the personel available. There should have been a hurry up to shake the rust out of the gate. Whis decided he wants to run Pitts West and we do not have the personel on the OLine to do it. The Qb is not that kind of Qb. Not sure we have that guy on the roster.

 

[conraddobler]

It's moved the ball plenty the times it's looked good someone other than KW was running it.

This game cried out for an offensively conservative gameplan with a caretaker QB doing dump offs to THT until the 9ers puked, it worked when they did it and it would of worked absent the turnovers and some missed balls and missed throws.

When two of your top three WR's are hurt and your starting TE is suspended you make do with what you have, our defense was plenty good enough to just slug it out against them.

In fact our trying to force stuff downfield was our downfall IMO, you just tell Matt to go in and protect the ball we'd of been bored to death but we win the game.

 

[conraddobler]

Conrad, we rushed for 40 something yards and had umpteen penalties. You would have thought there would be some adjmnts made at half time but bubkis...no innovative play calling nothing to fire up an offense that has been lethargic since last Feb. As a Play calling headcoach you need to adj to the personel available. There should have been a hurry up to shake the rust out of the gate. Whis decided he wants to run Pitts West and we do not have the personel on the OLine to do it. The Qb is not that kind of Qb. Not sure we have that guy on the roster.

You're not being realistic IMO.

Our best WR was blanketed, they did stuff to free him up, they moved the ball, our QB was shaky at best, our other two top WR's were hurt and our line was doing the Olay dance.

You think it's playcalling, I disagree, go ahead and post again I'm going to bed.

 

[Rats]

Ok, I will....it was vanilla offensive playcalling and not using the strength of the offense to get TD. We did not utilize Fitz in the first half and we dumped the ball off to TH all game rather than making the defense adj to finding guys on a reverse or even once having Boldin throw down field. He could have done that with his hammy hurting. IT is realistic to think adjmts could have been made to go to a hurry up offense early. We needed to put points up. That didn't happen. Whatever, hope the adjmnts are made for the next game or we will get more of the same. Warner was not steller getting his 288 yds but had he been put in a hurry up we would have resolved if he can get us scores or if he needs to be put out to pasture. We didn't get any of that.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm starting to buy into lack of sense of urgency and pressure being the culprit to Warner - and by extension the offenses - slow start.

Kurt so far looks to me like an 39 yr old who spent the majority of his off season being wined and dined, parading around to talk shows and book signings, messing with that hip, and just generally not putting in the work you need to put in at 39 to be succesful. Hes not 29 anymore.

Turns out that " BS " competition that all Warnerphiles have pointed to last season was the best thing to ever happen to KW.

This is Wiz's theory on keeping players feet to the fire's Exhibit A

 

[moklerman]

This is the exact offense that started the whole QB platoon between Leinart and Warner. It is an ineffective offense for Arizona. Maybe it worked in Pittsburgh but it wasn't that long ago that the offense was turned over to Haley, they abandoned this style and started to score some points.

It looked very much to me like they took Warner out of the equation for most of the day compared to last year. Warner is at his best when he's out there calling plays at the line and making pre-snap adjustments and reads. I don't think he was in that environment today.

It was Warner who had the bad day but I really don't understand why Whis is trying to use him the way that makes him the most ineffective. I really thought Whis was hiding plays during the preseason but he didn't run anything resembling last year's successful plays today either. Run after the catch was a major part of the offense the last two years and today and during the preseason they haven't been running anything short to the WR's.

Safe, quick hitters would have at least been worth trying. The 49ers were being very aggressive overall and in their pursuit today. But there were no mis-direction plays, reverses, end arounds, etc. from the Cardinals. Maybe Whis wanted to turn the game into a pissin' contenst, smash mouth punch/counter-punch type of game but I think he's doing a real disservice to the players that he has.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Warner and the passing game looked very bad. It is justifiable to say they cost us this game.

When you rely on your offense to be "high powered" it is tough to win when it fizzle and produces little to nothing. There is a lot of money tied up in the offense and when they don't hold up their end of the deal it is going to be tought to squeak out wins.

It may not be all the blame, but a lot of blame is on Warner's and the WR's shoudlers.

All those penalties don't help either.

AS for just Warner, he looked REALLY slow out there. Didn't get the ball out quick, held onto the ball to long, and looked lost. Not good.....not good at all. Warner is officially in Hyde mode.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Let me remind you all that while we are in the 24 hour vent window after the game, we want you to debate the idea, not the person. Posts that are personal attacks will be removed.

 

[gohard83]

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[82CardsGrad]

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The only thing I see in that picture is Frank Gore and Levi Brown working out the timing of Levi's payment for throwing the game!

 

[Pariah]

The only thing I see in that picture is Frank Gore and Levi Brown working out the timing of Levi's payment for throwing the game!

 

[Covert Rain]

The only thing I see in that picture is Frank Gore and Levi Brown working out the timing of Levi's payment for throwing the game!

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Here is my problem with Warner. If he was a 38 year old QB making $3,000,000 and making some mistakes, thats one thing. But he just got paid $13,000,000 and he doesn't get the luxury of having bad games like this. He doesn't get the chance to play like a 38 year old QB. Anything other than a $13,000,000 QB is unacceptable.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Here is my problem with Warner. If he was a 38 year old QB making $3,000,000 and making some mistakes, thats one thing. But he just got paid $13,000,000 and he doesn't get the luxury of having bad games like this. He doesn't get the chance to play like a 38 year old QB. Anything other than a $13,000,000 QB is unacceptable.

 

[az240zz]

We had one Starter healthy and a QB with accuracy problems so Whis had him throw it to THT who had a great day running after the catch.

We tried a couple of times to throw it downfield and it ended up going the other way.

OC's have to adjust to what's working, the 9ers know us well they took away Fitz and we were left with a true number 4 and a bad hammy guy and our true starting TE is suspended.

Our QB was ratttled to boot, plus our line was a sieve, I don't think Whis called a great game or anything but he didn't have a ton to work with given how it played out.

Yea this