Our Fearless Leader

[Covert Rain]

Yea this

Although.......the problem was nothing else was working and the appeared to be the only play we had. I didn't see any radical formations like last year. I didn't see any trick plays or unusual formations that Tod seemed to pull out of his hat on a weekly basis to kick start this team. It felt like we were still playing with a paired down preseason play book.

 

[vince56]

You must be registered for see images attach

A has been and a never will be?

Warner laying an egg on the field?

Shaun Hill's 15 minutes of fame?

 

[jefftheshark]

Perhaps Kurt spent too much time this offseason looking like this:

You must be registered for see images

(Kurt's the one on the left)

JTS

 

[Linderbee]

deja vu

 

[jaguarpaw81]

You guys are funny.

 

[Doug]

For those who saw the Bills in the Monday night game against the Pats and saw how the no huddle offense had the Pats on thier heels all night I would just say..."What happened to ours?".

Larry Fitzgerald commented after one of our pre-season debacles that we have'nt shown any of our no huddle offense during the pre-season.What and why can't Kurt if he's gonna lose his job to Matt in two games maximum as most of the board is saying as it is.Why not let Kurt use all of his years of reading defenses and go out calling the plays and running the no-huddle offense for us.

This is with Wells and Hightower getting in and out of course.I'm praying Breastons knee is getting better as we speak and he does'nt reinjure it again all season.Pad that "MO" up.

Would any of you guys or gals consider adding F.Basket(sp?) to our team? I'm sure its a flat out no.

 

[lauraw]

I love KW!!!

 

[jefftheshark]

I love KW!!!

And now for something completely different

You must be registered for see images

JTS

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Ok, I will....it was vanilla offensive playcalling and not using the strength of the offense to get TD. We did not utilize Fitz in the first half and we dumped the ball off to TH all game rather than making the defense adj to finding guys on a reverse or even once having Boldin throw down field. He could have done that with his hammy hurting. IT is realistic to think adjmts could have been made to go to a hurry up offense early. We needed to put points up. That didn't happen. Whatever, hope the adjmnts are made for the next game or we will get more of the same. Warner was not steller getting his 288 yds but had he been put in a hurry up we would have resolved if he can get us scores or if he needs to be put out to pasture. We didn't get any of that.

Honestly, I feel that the Cards were not prepared to have Larry doubled on every single play. After the postseason he had, I'm not sure why/how they couldn't have been. They did make half time adjustments with Larry though. Short crossing and in routes and putting him in motion all of the time. The only way they should feel free throwing it into double coverage is when they can get the ball down the field and into the air and then let Fitz grab it. Warner forced it into tight throwing lanes and made bad decisions.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Here is my problem with Warner. If he was a 38 year old QB making $3,000,000 and making some mistakes, thats one thing. But he just got paid $13,000,000 and he doesn't get the luxury of having bad games like this. He doesn't get the chance to play like a 38 year old QB. Anything other than a $13,000,000 QB is unacceptable.

Make that like 19-21M guaranteed. Ugh.

 

[moklerman]

19-21 for two years in the current QB market is not really very high, is it? The way it hits the cap is probably more problematic because of the shortness of the contract but the dollar amount is below many other QB's.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

19-21 for two years in the current QB market is not really very high, is it? The way it hits the cap is probably more problematic because of the shortness of the contract but the dollar amount is below many other QB's.

Current market value for a contract that big assumes franchise QB that is healthy. KW is neither of these. He needs to play like an MVP to be worthy of that kind of contract.

 

[moklerman]

Current market value for a contract that big assumes franchise QB that is healthy. KW is neither of these. He needs to play like an MVP to be worthy of that kind of contract.

I think there have been far too many variables to conclude that Warner "isn't" a franchise QB anymore.

I fully understand the concern and can see the argument based on the preseason and first half against SF but I think at some point there is too much outside the QB position to really identify just exactly where Warner is right now.

I wont go over the whole laundry list but I think the SF game was summed up pretty well by Fitz dropping two passes. The offense is feeling a ton of pressure to live up to last year and the whole unit was out of rhythm(death for Warner) and didn't have their collective heads in the game. Throw in missing 1 & 1/2 starting WR's to injuries and I'm willing to hold off judgment on the offense and Warner.

Whis has said that he had the offense scaled way back and wasn't letting Warner run what he wanted to run in preseason and having Breaston and Boldin gone for most of the preseason and into the first game is having a negative impact. Significant enough IMO that Warner "may" not be struggling as much as it seems.

It's a strength and weakness of his game to have such a symbiotic relationship with his receivers. When they're all dialed in, the offense runs great. When Warner's not confident in the routes/reads that his receivers are running, his game suffers.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think there have been far too many variables to conclude that Warner "isn't" a franchise QB anymore.

I fully understand the concern and can see the argument based on the preseason and first half against SF but I think at some point there is too much outside the QB position to really identify just exactly where Warner is right now.

I wont go over the whole laundry list but I think the SF game was summed up pretty well by Fitz dropping two passes. The offense is feeling a ton of pressure to live up to last year and the whole unit was out of rhythm(death for Warner) and didn't have their collective heads in the game. Throw in missing 1 & 1/2 starting WR's to injuries and I'm willing to hold off judgment on the offense and Warner.

Whis has said that he had the offense scaled way back and wasn't letting Warner run what he wanted to run in preseason and having Breaston and Boldin gone for most of the preseason and into the first game is having a negative impact. Significant enough IMO that Warner "may" not be struggling as much as it seems.

It's a strength and weakness of his game to have such a symbiotic relationship with his receivers. When they're all dialed in, the offense runs great. When Warner's not confident in the routes/reads that his receivers are running, his game suffers.

How CAN he considered a franchise QB? You shouldn't build your team around a 38 year old QB that had hip surgery and still feeling pain. Even if he was playing as well as last year, you still shouldn't consider him a franchise QB.

 

[moklerman]

How CAN he considered a franchise QB? You shouldn't build your team around a 38 year old QB that had hip surgery and still feeling pain. Even if he was playing as well as last year, you still shouldn't consider him a franchise QB.

I guess it depends on the definition of franchise QB. It's an arbitrary term anyway but I can see your line of thought in that it should be a player(QB) that the franchise is built around for years to come.

I've always considered it more of a level of play. Obviously a team can't build a franchise or the future around a QB that will retire in a year or two but if you look at the league's use of the word "franchise" in other situations, such as the franchise tag, they are using the term in direct correlation to 1 year of performance.

So, we're right back where we started. It just depends on one's own definition.

As far as Warner and the Cardinals, I think both sides are expecting a reasonable facsimile of last year's numbers for the money they are paying. As much as many hate the idea I think part of his current salary is an unspoken bonus for recent success. I'm not arguing for or against that idea but I think his salary reflects that in some way and that the Cardinals could never admit to such a thing.

 

[Linderbee]

I wont go over the whole laundry list but I think the SF game was summed up pretty well by Fitz dropping two passes.

Tell me you didn't mean this the way I'm reading it, because if you did, then wow...just...wow.

 

[moklerman]

Tell me you didn't mean this the way I'm reading it, because if you did, then wow...just...wow.

I meant it as even Fitz wasn't as razor sharp as usual. It was just an off day for many on the offensive side of the ball. Not "bad" but "off".

How were you reading it?

 

[jaguarpaw81]

Perhaps Kurt spent too much time this offseason looking like this:

You must be registered for see images

(Kurt's the one on the left)

JTS

Please, please tell me that is a photoshop.

 

[Linderbee]

I meant it as even Fitz wasn't as razor sharp as usual. It was just an off day for many on the offensive side of the ball. Not "bad" but "off".

How were you reading it?

That the blame for the loss lies on Fitz because he dropped 2 balls. I figured I HAD to be misunderstanding you!

 

[moklerman]

Please, please tell me that is a photoshop.

He certainly looks ridiculous but he has 7 kids and it was a Disney show...Sweet Life on Deck? I assume that's why he did it and I can give a guy a pass...not props, but at least a pass if he was doing it for his kids.

 

[moklerman]

That the blame for the loss lies on Fitz because he dropped 2 balls. I figured I HAD to be misunderstanding you!

Sadly, I'm usually pretty surprised when someone actually does understand me!

 

[jefftheshark]

Perhaps Kurt spent too much time this offseason looking like this:

You must be registered for see images

(Kurt's the one on the left)

JTS

Please, please tell me that is a photoshop.

No, because if I had photoshopped it, I would have had Kurt and London holding a beer bong.



JTS

(and yes, I know it's embarrasing that I know that the girl in the picture's character's name is London Tipton)

 

[Gambit]

He certainly looks ridiculous but he has 7 kids and it was a Disney show...Sweet Life on Deck? I assume that's why he did it and I can give a guy a pass...not props, but at least a pass if he was doing it for his kids.

I tried to give him a pass but it was intercepted.

 

[jefftheshark]

I tried to give him a pass but it was intercepted.

You must be registered for see images

JTS

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I tried to give him a pass but it was intercepted.

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he dropped the ball.