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Do you want a 5-10 QB standing in the pocket and taking hits?

Palmer is 6-5 and here is his injury list:

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Would it have been better if I said Drew Brees? My point is at the first signed of pressure he panics. Or curls up in the fetal position. Either way I would love to see him learn to step up in the pocket and deliver the Ball. If he's too small to do that well then he'll never be a great pro football QB. Imo
 

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Would it have been better if I said Drew Brees? My point is at the first signed of pressure he panics. Or curls up in the fetal position. Either way I would love to see him learn to step up in the pocket and deliver the Ball. If he's too small to do that well then he'll never be a great pro football QB. Imo
Give him a decent freaking line and maybe he would trust to step up into the pocket! We suck in the trenches both sides of the ball. Can’t expect much when your QB is getting hit or running for his life most of the time. Nonsense people creating thread after thread about Kyler just hating ignoring the actual problems of coaching and lack of skill on both lines!
 

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Give him a decent freaking line and maybe he would trust to step up into the pocket! We suck in the trenches both sides of the ball. Can’t expect much when your QB is getting hit or running for his life most of the time. Nonsense people creating thread after thread about Kyler just hating ignoring the actual problems of coaching and lack of skill on both lines!
I cannot agree more about our expectations of KM at this time. When it's everyone and everything's fault except for the QB, maybe we should be putting said QB under the microscope.
 

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Give him a decent freaking line and maybe he would trust to step up into the pocket! We suck in the trenches both sides of the ball. Can’t expect much when your QB is getting hit or running for his life most of the time. Nonsense people creating thread after thread about Kyler just hating ignoring the actual problems of coaching and lack of skill on both lines!

This is complete BS. An invented narrative by Kyler stans completely devoid of reality and without a shred of evidence to back it up.

105 passer rating under pressure last year. 15 under pressure this year.

Passer rating everywhere under pressure or not massively down. But it's not Kyler right?

39.6 is the passer rating if you just throw the ball at your feet. I mean...

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This is complete BS. An invented narrative by Kyler stans completely devoid of reality and without a shred of evidence to back it up.

105 passer rating under pressure last year. 15 under pressure this year.

Passer rating everywhere under pressure or not massively down. But it's not Kyler right?

39.6 is the passer rating if you just throw the ball at your feet. I mean...

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Not sure what your trying to prove it shows he’s not throwing it down field much of course he’s not the line freaking sucks and So does the play caloing but you do you. Keep making threads and wasting your time trying to blame this QB for the whole teams problems lol. Coaching is great, D is great, Oline is great it’s just Kyler why we’re not winning!
 
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Not sure what your trying to prove it shows he’s not throwing it down field much of course he’s not the line freaking sucks and So does the play caloing but you do you. Keep making threads and wasting your time trying to blame this QB for the whole teams problems lol. Coaching is great, D is great, Oline is great it’s just Kyler why we’re not winning!

Lets say the O line is bad. It isn't, but let's pretend.

Its not worse than last year. Through 8 games he has less pressures, less sacks and less pressure % than through 8 last year.

Last year we were 7-1. Now we are 3-5.

Kyler had 17 TDs to 7 INTs. He's now 10-6.

So considering the O line in no worse why is Kyler far worse?
 

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Lets say the O line is bad. It isn't, but let's pretend.

Its not worse than last year. Through 8 games he has less pressures, less sacks and less pressure % than through 8 last year.

Last year we were 7-1. Now we are 3-5.

Kyler had 17 TDs to 7 INTs. He's now 10-6.

So considering the O line in no worse why is Kyler far worse?
I know there’s a limited number of ways to analyze players’ play, but these types of comparisons seem overly simplistic. They have zero context. Played different teams, different mixes of players, probably (to some extent) different plays, different levels of game prep practice, different plays in which the oline did its job or failed, etc.
 
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I know there’s a limited number of ways to analyze players’ play, but these types of comparisons seem overly simplistic. They have zero context. Played different teams, different mixes of players, probably (to some extent) different plays, different levels of game prep practice, different plays in which the oline did its job or failed, etc.

I would agree if it was a minor drop off from KM. Little differences can make a difference sure. But he’s fallin off a literal cliff.
 

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I know there’s a limited number of ways to analyze players’ play, but these types of comparisons seem overly simplistic. They have zero context. Played different teams, different mixes of players, probably (to some extent) different plays, different levels of game prep practice, different plays in which the oline did its job or failed, etc.
Reading this post got me thinking and it was the game prep practice. Now, not knowing anything about how long the team practices each day and what part is open and what part is closed, the short videos posted here all the time shows players working on technical stuff like hitting the sleds, footwork, etc. or work that is going at half speed. This far into the season how much of that is really necessary? Shouldn't every player have the technical aspects down by now? Shouldn't 70-80% of practice be working on preparing for game day and what tendencies your opponent will bring? Shouldn't game situations be a high priority? Red Zone work? Etc.

Does anyone know what amount of time is spent in game preparation with KK? Meetings are one thing but actually working this out on the field is another altogether. How well does this team take watching game video and translate it to the field? How much time is spent watching their own game video and how much watching the next opponents game video?
 

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Murray completed over 70% his passes today. Two TDs, 0 Ints. A pure passer rating of 101.5.

7.5 yards a rush on 8 attempts. He did have the big fumble after the drop by Anderson. The YPC was really low at 5.0.

More culpable than Murray for our offensive struggles is our O line.
 

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Kyler will NEVER be a Tier 1 QB. Never. Please stop with the excuses. I said this in another thread. The sample size is large enough. What QB with this sample size, drafted #1 with these expectations was still making the mistakes, reads he does, sacks he takes and host of other issues by this point? I am sure someone could find one but it's not typical. Kyler is always going to be a 2nd Tier QB that will occasionally excite you with a great game.
 

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Kyler will NEVER be a Tier 1 QB. Never. Please stop with the excuses. I said this in another thread. The sample size is large enough. What QB with this sample size, drafted #1 with these expectations was still making the mistakes, reads he does, sacks he takes and host of other issues by this point? I am sure someone could find one but it's not typical. Kyler is always going to be a 2nd Tier QB that will occasionally excite you with a great game.
In your opinion of course, the guys who get paid to judge talent know otherwise…
 

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Murray completed over 70% his passes today. Two TDs, 0 Ints. A pure passer rating of 101.5.

7.5 yards a rush on 8 attempts. He did have the big fumble after the drop by Anderson. The YPC was really low at 5.0.

More culpable than Murray for our offensive struggles is our O line.
No one who watched the game could possibly put this out there with a straight face.
 

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No one who watched the game could possibly put this out there with a straight face.

So Murray some how magically went down the field and knocked the ball out of Robbie Anderson's hands? Snapped ball over his head? false started four times at home?

Come on K9, you're more reasonable that.

I'm NOT saying Murray played a great game. I'm saying he played okay, and that a bigger problem with our offense is the Oline. That's all. Kingsbury's scheme might edge out Murray for 2nd place in terms of why the offense sucks, but let's keep that on the down low because I don't want to get flamed by the Kingsbury defenders.
 

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How did Kyler perform in the second half?

We had 4 real drives in the 2nd half because the defense couldn't get off the field (7 consecutive 3rd down conversions allowed).

First two drives were stopped by penalties on non-Kyler players. One drive was derailed by sacks from instant pressure. One drive resulted in a touchdown. I'd say he performed about average in the 2nd half based on the opportunities that were presented.
 

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I have seen Kyler be special, and he has skills. He has had a great college career, one full season at Oklahoma and now a few seasons with the Cardinals playing Alabama every week with a college coach. Get his dad out of the room because this is not high school, fire Kliff so he is no longer playing college ball and yeah, just like any talented QB when drafted he can grow and be a franchise QB
 
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I have seen Kyler be special, and he has skills. He has had a great college career, one full season at Oklahoma and now a few seasons with the Cardinals playing Alabama every week with a college coach. Get his dad out of the room because this is not high school, fire Kliff so he is no longer playing college ball and yeah, just like any talented QB when drafted he can grow and be a franchise QB

He’s been in the NFL as a full time starter for 4 years. He should be getting better like his first 2.5 years. Not regressing. Make no mistake he is 1000% regressing.
 
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