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Cards Sign First-Round Draft Pick Calvin Pace
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, July 28, 2003

Tempe, Arizona—Defensive end Calvin Pace, the Arizona
Cardinals’ second of two first-round selections (18th
overall) in the 2003 NFL Draft, has agreed to terms of
a four-year contract with a team option for a fifth
year.

Regarded by many as the best athlete in the Atlantic
Coast Conference, the Wake Forest product showed the
ability to be a very effective pass rusher, finishing
his career second on the school’s all-time record list
with 29 sacks for minus 178 yards. His 54 stops for
losses of 223 yards set a Wake Forest career-record.
Overall he recorded 189 tackles (116 solos) with five
forced fumbles and a fumble recovery while starting 33
of 42 games.

As a senior in 2002, Pace earned all-America first-team
selection by the American Football Coaches Association,
third-team honors from the Associated Press, and was an
all-Atlantic Coast Conference (A.C.C.) first-team pick.
Additionally, he was named ACC defensive
player-of-the-year by The Sporting News and team
most-valuable-player. He lined up at right defensive
end, recording 73 tackles (43 solos) with eight sacks
for minus 43 yards and a career-high 22 stops for
losses of 72 yards. Only Baltimore Raven defensive end
Mike McCrary (24 in 1992) had more stops behind the
line of scrimmage in a season for the Demon Deacons.

Pace becomes the sixth member of Arizona’s seven-player
2003 draft class to reach terms. The team previously
signed Florida state wide receiver Anquan Boldin
(second round, 54th overall) on July 24, Pittsburgh
linebacker Gerald Hayes (third round, 70th) on June 24,
Georgia linebacker Tony Gilbert (sixth round-b, 210th
overall) on June 2, Clarion offensive tackle Reggie
Wells (sixth round-a, 177th overall) on June 4, and
Alabama defensive end Kenny King (fifth round, 141st
overall) on June 10.

The Cardinals have one remaining draftee yet to agree
to contract terms—wide receiver Bryant Johnson (first
round-a, Penn State, 17th overall).

—cards—
 

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Originally posted by nidan
Since when am I ignoring facts.

IMO (for the pedantic with us) the agent is probably kicking up a fuss because he is pissed. I agree and I've said that several times.

From my experience in closing business deals, IMO it seems likely that this is the agent "staking out" his ground. IMO he is now going to try a save face as IMO he screwed up.

I still think that the only problem with getting BJ signed to a fair/slotted deal is his agent being pissed. How pissed we will find out over the next few days.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

What you're basically saying is, if things turn acrimonious and a deal can't get done in a reasonable amount of time, you're going to blame the agent 100 percent. Does that about sum it up?

In other words, the agent should swallow a less palatable deal or else it's his fault his player holds out?

I'm not saying the agent isn't to blame at all. I'm not saying Graves is fully to blame (only mostly, from what we've read in articles thus far). I'm just saying Graves has made this much more difficult for Johnson's agent.
 

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What in the world are you talking about Alan? Robertson will get 13mil, total, in bonus money. First year, second-tier, however it shakes out, it's the total bonus that matters. Johnson won't come close to that. Nor should he.
I was looking at ESPN's list, big mistake. Sorry :)
 

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Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Alan, we can give him the biggest signing bonus in the history of the NFL if we want to. That isnt the point. The rookie pool is $900,000-That is what he will be handed a check for. He may be able to get a $20 million dollar bonus, but it will have to be spread out over the life of the contract!
No, he would get more than $975,000 (Len's figure). When a player gets a signing bonus, they get all of that money upfront. The figure is prorated throughout the contract, but they player still gets the money upfront.

So... $975,000 - rookie minimum base (around $225,000) = $750,000 prorated bonus hit each year, over five years = $3.75 million bonus.
 

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Here's an idea. How about waiting until Graves talks about the situation before assaulting his intelligence?
 

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Originally posted by Alan
No, he would get more than $975,000 (Len's figure). When a player gets a signing bonus, they get all of that money upfront. The figure is prorated throughout the contract, but they player still gets the money.

So... $975,000 - rookie minimum (around $225,000) = $750,000 prorated hit each year, over five years = $3.75 million bonus.

But you can tier a roster bonus for next year and give him more money after the rookie cap doesn't count his salary.
 

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Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Here's an idea. How about waiting until Graves talks about the situation before assaulting his intelligence?
I second that. He did it this way for a reason and I am sure for a good one. For all we know Johnson could sign tonight.
 

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Originally posted by ajcardfan
Screwing with the slot value just blows my mind. There's many ways Pace could of got that money without knocking on Johnson's contract.

absolutely. You have to wonder about the agents involved, Pace's agent HAS to realize this deal mucks up Johnson you wonder why he would push for this?

If we can't sign him we'll have to try and trade him.

We have enough guys at WR that we can probably get by without him but unless we get market value in a trade this is a horrible move by Graves and the Cards.

I'm thrilled to get Pace signed but this was a potentially huge mistake.
 

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Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Alan, we can give him the biggest signing bonus in the history of the NFL if we want to. That isnt the point. The rookie pool is $900,000-That is what he will be handed a check for. He may be able to get a $20 million dollar bonus, but it will have to be spread out over the life of the contract!


Wrong, absolutley wrong.

The cap hit is spread over the life on the contract and has no bearing on when it is paid. It can be paid all in one check if they want to.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
absolutely. You have to wonder about the agents involved, Pace's agent HAS to realize this deal mucks up Johnson you wonder why he would push for this?

If we can't sign him we'll have to try and trade him.

We have enough guys at WR that we can probably get by without him but unless we get market value in a trade this is a horrible move by Graves and the Cards.

I'm thrilled to get Pace signed but this was a potentially huge mistake.
Maybe we could trade him for Jeff Faine the center from the Browns. They are having a hard time signing him. Plus that would give us the best OL in the league IMO and the Browns need a reciever.
 

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Nidan The fact Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

How many times are you going to repeat this? And by the way, those who are too caught up with history, like "Old Generals" end up fighting the last war...

P.S. an agent threatening to file a grievance... big deal!!! Who knows, he may be just trying to cover his ass with his client given that he made a piss-poor job out of the negotiations when it came down to the crunch...
 

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Originally posted by bankybruce
I second that. He did it this way for a reason and I am sure for a good one. For all we know Johnson could sign tonight.

I certainly hope so. I supposed it's possible they are going to give Johnson a bigger 2nd tier bonus.

It just rings odd to me, I agree Pace is the guy we need more, but we DID draft Johnson first so it's VERY unusual to do it this way.

I guess when Pasquarelli mentioned the possibility of a grievance I just took for granted Johnson's agent was actually talking about that.
 

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Originally posted by Northern Card
P.S. an agent threatening to file a grievance... big deal!!! Who knows, he may be just trying to cover his ass with his client given that he made a piss-poor job out of the negotiations when it came down to the crunch...
It's obvious that Len didn't talk to Johnson's agent. He is just speculating about a grievence because HE thinks there is a problem.
 

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Originally posted by Northern Card
How many times are you going to repeat this? And by the way, those who are too caught up with history, like "Old Generals" end up fighting the last war...

P.S. an agent threatening to file a grievance... big deal!!! Who knows, he may be just trying to cover his ass with his client given that he made a piss-poor job out of the negotiations when it came down to the crunch...

Can you say Johnny Cochorhan?:D
 

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Just talked to the Cards PR people. What happened is that the Cards were close to signing Pace and called Joel Segal to tell him they wanted to get both signings done today.

Segal essentially told them he wasn't interested in working to help fit both players into the available cap allotment.

Rod Graves then made the decision not to wait on Johnson because it was obvious Joel Segal wasn't going to be reasonable.

The grievance threat is hilarious. Segal screwed up and is now panicking. There is nothing in the collective barganing agreement that says players must be slotted.

What precipitated this situation was the fabulous play of the young WRs in camp. I'll have a camp report up later today about this.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
absolutely. You have to wonder about the agents involved, Pace's agent HAS to realize this deal mucks up Johnson you wonder why he would push for this?

PACE's agent is responsible for his clients best interests... that's it... that's all...

If we can't sign him we'll have to try and trade him.

CAN we trade a DRAFT pick? Could be wrong, but I don't think so...
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith

CAN we trade a DRAFT pick? Could be wrong, but I don't think so...
John Elway ring a bell?
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
Just talked to the Cards PR people. What happened is that the Cards were close to signing Pace and called Joel Segal to tell him they wanted to get both signings done today.

Segal essentially told them he wasn't interested in working to help fit both players into the available cap allotment.

Rod Graves then made the decision not to wait on Johnson because it was obvious Joel Segal wasn't going to be reasonable.

The grievance threat is hilarious. Segal screwed up and is now panicking. There is nothing in the collective barganing agreement that says players must be slotted.

What precipitated this situation was the fabulous play of the young WRs in camp. I'll have a camp report up later today about this.

Now, that does put a different spin on it. If that's the case, it's more understandable what happened.
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
Just talked to the Cards PR people. What happened is that the Cards were close to signing Pace and called Joel Segal to tell him they wanted to get both signings done today.

Segal essentially told them he wasn't interested in working to help fit both players into the available cap allotment.

Rod Graves then made the decision not to wait on Johnson because it was obvious Joel Segal wasn't going to be reasonable.

The grievance threat is hilarious. Segal screwed up and is now panicking. There is nothing in the collective barganing agreement that says players must be slotted.

What precipitated this situation was the fabulous play of the young WRs in camp. I'll have a camp report up later today about this.

Like I said, sounds like an agent worried about his paycheck and losing on his gamble. Thanks for the news Skorp. Now put some extras in there, let the agent save face and get the man in camp!!!
 

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Originally posted by BW52
Good thought Jim.Too bad it is wasted on many of the posters.

You know what - that is BS - THIS BOARD IS FOR DISCUSSING THE TEAM - Would rather have us wait and not talk about this at all until Graves speaks? Well - hey at that point why discuss anything he says because those who are skeptical will just be screamed down with ARE YOU CALLING GRAVES A LIAR? This board is great because we get to react immediately - you get to see people's passions, you get to see what people really think. And it's not jut news of this today that makes me question Rod's negotiating intelligence(not his intelligence overall mind you) - it's years of midn-numbing history that makes me question his ability to do anything right with draft picks. Sorry if that offends, but after watching years of holdouts and wasted seasons from our rooks, the news that came down today gives us every reason to start talking about this immediately.
 

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Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
Here's an idea. How about waiting until Graves talks about the situation before assaulting his intelligence?

That's much too novel an idea... why for some on this board it would defy "logic"...:D
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
Just talked to the Cards PR people. What happened is that the Cards were close to signing Pace and called Joel Segal to tell him they wanted to get both signings done today.

Segal essentially told them he wasn't interested in working to help fit both players into the available cap allotment.

Rod Graves then made the decision not to wait on Johnson because it was obvious Joel Segal wasn't going to be reasonable.

The grievance threat is hilarious. Segal screwed up and is now panicking. There is nothing in the collective barganing agreement that says players must be slotted.

What precipitated this situation was the fabulous play of the young WRs in camp. I'll have a camp report up later today about this.

Thanks Skkorp for the info.You realize now that you will probably set off another batch of post debating the wisdom of the signing.
 
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