Palmer still in concussion protocol etc

[Russ Smith]

Seems now very unlikely he can clear for Thur IMO.

That said while I get what people are saying and he's clearly on borrowed time at 36 nearly 37, I still think people are way too quick to pile on him.

This is a guy who in his career has 2 seasons where he completed less than 60% of his passes, this year with only 4 games, and 2008 where he only played 4 games. He's come back from several major injuries and yet has always been a guy who stands in the pocket and takes hits to get the ball off.

Yes he throws too many picks but again in THIS offense I don't see how you can't. Dak Prescott wouldn't have come close to an NFL rookie record for most attempts without a pick if he were our QB because we'd be requiring him to throw the ball downfield. For THIS offense, Palmer has been terrific. My guess is his best days are behind him but I still think people don't appreciate enough how good he's been.

42 games 76 TD's to 41 picks, both full seasons well over 4000 yards, and all the wins.

I agree we need to be finding a QBOTF but one of the things I most dislike on the game day threads are all the Palmer bashing comments from people who seem to not get how much better he's been than what we had before. I've been watching us play since 1974 and I can tell you I've only seen 2 QB's for us better than Palmer, Warner and Lomax.

I hope he gets back quickly and I hope he can turn this thing around, but if he can't, I do hope people get how difficult it's going to be to replace him.

 

[daves]

That said while I get what people are saying and he's clearly on borrowed time at 36 nearly 37, I still think people are way too quick to pile on him.

I've been watching us play since 1974 and I can tell you I've only seen 2 QB's for us better than Palmer, Warner and Lomax.

Same here, Russ.

Interestingly, Warner had a losing record with the Cardinals every year until his age-37 and age-38 seasons.

...dbs

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Yup - I think the only complaint I have is his propensity to throw passes deep when the play isn't there. Floyd makes sense because he is physically imposing enough to win a jump ball - not so much with John or Jaron Brown.

 

[oaken1]

Seems now very unlikely he can clear for Thur IMO.

That said while I get what people are saying and he's clearly on borrowed time at 36 nearly 37, I still think people are way too quick to pile on him.

This is a guy who in his career has 2 seasons where he completed less than 60% of his passes, this year with only 4 games, and 2008 where he only played 4 games. He's come back from several major injuries and yet has always been a guy who stands in the pocket and takes hits to get the ball off.

Yes he throws too many picks but again in THIS offense I don't see how you can't. Dak Prescott wouldn't have come close to an NFL rookie record for most attempts without a pick if he were our QB because we'd be requiring him to throw the ball downfield. For THIS offense, Palmer has been terrific. My guess is his best days are behind him but I still think people don't appreciate enough how good he's been.

42 games 76 TD's to 41 picks, both full seasons well over 4000 yards, and all the wins.

I agree we need to be finding a QBOTF but one of the things I most dislike on the game day threads are all the Palmer bashing comments from people who seem to not get how much better he's been than what we had before. I've been watching us play since 1974 and I can tell you I've only seen 2 QB's for us better than Palmer, Warner and Lomax.

I hope he gets back quickly and I hope he can turn this thing around, but if he can't, I do hope people get how difficult it's going to be to replace him.

I agree....also,... Manning did not get his second ring until his last season.. and he was not half the QB he was just a few years earlier..... Elway got his rings late too...
Palmer is okay... the only thing that really just kills me with Palmer is that he gets WR lock on John Brown...and you can just see he has no intention of throwing it to anybody but smokey... a dude that small has to be either wide open or five yards behind the defense before you pass the ball to him..... but carson will toss it his way with two defenders draped over his shoulders then look surprised when he cant make the play.

Palmer has mastered our offense though... the X's and O's of it anyway...he knows it inside out.... which makes it harder to accept the lock he gets on brown

 

[DeAnna]

weird... as of yesterday afternoon, BA was saying CP3 was feeling much better and hopeful he would play.

 

[Russ Smith]

weird... as of yesterday afternoon, BA was saying CP3 was feeling much better and hopeful he would play.

ESPN says he's still in the protocol and the general feeling is it's very difficult to go from that to cleared to play in 2 days under the NFL rules.

Especially a national tv game with the NFL still looking into how Cam Newton was allowed to stay in the first game of the season. Would be great if he were ok to play but my guess is they err on the side of caution.

 

[kerouac9]

Yes he throws too many picks but again in THIS offense I don't see how you can't.

He didn't the last two years?

When QBs fall, they fall immediately and off a cliff. When you look at those incompletions, they were balls that the receivers COULD have caught, but still behind/high enough that they'd have to work for it and wouldn't get a ton of YAC yards.

Peyton Manning went from 39 TDs and 15 INTs to literally the worst starting quarterback ever to win a Super Bowl. It happens that way sometimes.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

The playcalling/QB play is confusing.... We are running the ball very well... But BA and/or CP insist on pushing it downfield 20+ yards on most passing plays...... The word is out.. BA wants to throw the long ball more times than not.... Most defenses have figured that out, and play us accordingly..... It doesn't help that CP has one of the least convincing play action movements I've ever seen.

 

[cardncubfan]

The playcalling/QB play is confusing.... We are running the ball very well... But BA and/or CP insist on pushing it downfield 20+ yards on most passing plays...... The word is out.. BA wants to throw the long ball more times than not.... Most defenses have figured that out, and play us accordingly..... It doesn't help that CP has one of the least convincing play action movements I've ever seen.

On Sunday I watched one play where he faked the hand off to one side & the rb was on the other. You're not convincing anybody there's a run when you are handing off to empty space.

 

[JeffGollin]

Call me overly optimistic but I think the "protocol" is a process that keeps a player displaying concussion symptoms in sort of a protective "cocoon" that must run its course before the player is cleared to participate in practices, scrimmages or actual games.

In other words, Carson may be OK - he just has to jump thru a few scheduled hoops before they clear him on a prescheduled date.

Or not. (just hoping).

 

[thephoenixson28]

I think protocol is just protocol. Tyrod Taylor looked like he was concussed but he still played.

 

[chickenhead]

I'm no doctor, but I don't like the idea of a QB playing four days after a concussion. I hope Palmer doesn't play. The Cards are playing a team at the bottom of the power rankings: if Stanton can't give them a chance to win, I'll just live with it.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think protocol is just protocol. Tyrod Taylor looked like he was concussed but he still played.

he had a full week though didn't he?

That's the rub here we're playing Thur not Sunday.

The NFL has a very clear set of rules on what has to happen before he can be cleared, not sure there's time for it to happen.

not sure I'd want it to happen given his value to the team I'd rather have him sit and make sure he's ok for the bulk of the season.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm no doctor, but I don't like the idea of a QB playing four days after a concussion. I hope Palmer doesn't play. The Cards are playing a team at the bottom of the power rankings: if Stanton can't give them a chance to win, I'll just live with it.

Totally agree. If we can't beat the 49ers with Stanton by changing the offense to cover for Palmer, that's on the coaches and the players.

Short week to do it, I get that, but we still have lots of talented players on both sides of the ball, they have to do their jobs and win.

 

[az jam]

I'm no doctor, but I don't like the idea of a QB playing four days after a concussion. I hope Palmer doesn't play. The Cards are playing a team at the bottom of the power rankings: if Stanton can't give them a chance to win, I'll just live with it.

Totally agree. I don't think Palmer will play. BA is just throwing out some positives stuff on Palmer's condition to unsettle the 49ers game plan. Signing QB Dysert from the PS to the roster basically confirms that Palmer will sit.

 

[Stout]

We're in such a bad place. Palmer can't play--we have to take care of him--but Stanton sucks, and it is a MUST WIN. Talk about a textbook rock-and-a-hard-place scenario.

 

[Mitch]

Wouldn't it be amazing if somehow Zach Dysert got a chance to play and made a big splash! BA could make it easy for him---check your first read, if it is there, pull the trigger, if not take off. Make the defense worry about your scrambling ability. Man, I am so hungry to see a Cardinals' QB play with energy, bounce and passion. I must say I've got a bad case of Carson Wentz fever. Dak too.

 

[Capital Card]

On Sunday I watched one play where he faked the hand off to one side & the rb was on the other. You're not convincing anybody there's a run when you are handing off to empty space.

LOL, Yea, I saw that too.

I'm wondering if, with all the talk of everyone being back on offense, we expanded an already byzantine playbook to the point several folks don't know where they should be at any given time.

On offense, it almost looks like we're trying to install a new system with all the mis-reads and incorrect routs we're seeing on the field.

 

[WisconsinCard]

We're in such a bad place. Palmer can't play--we have to take care of him--but Stanton sucks, and it is a MUST WIN. Talk about a textbook rock-and-a-hard-place scenario.

I honestly think that DS will play like most fans (at least the ones in the game day thread) want CP to. He'll take what the d is giving him, and won't try for the homerun ball unless it is wide open and he has all day to throw. I think his INTs last weekend were due to the situation, he didn't have time to take us methodically down the field. When he get in a hurry or try's to press that is when he is prone to make mistakes.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Here is a really good article on the concussion protocol for the NCAA. I would assume it is similar to the NFLs. I remembered reading this a while back and I just found it again.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/concussion-guidelines

 

[D-Dogg]

On Sunday I watched one play where he faked the hand off to one side & the rb was on the other. You're not convincing anybody there's a run when you are handing off to empty space.

And that's his fault? Not the second year RB?

 

[cardncubfan]

And that's his fault? Not the second year RB?

Never said it was anyone's fault. Just saying play action doesn't work when you are faking handing it to nothing but air.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

LOL, Yea, I saw that too.

I'm wondering if, with all the talk of everyone being back on offense, we expanded an already byzantine playbook to the point several folks don't know where they should be at any given time.

On offense, it almost looks like we're trying to install a new system with all the mis-reads and incorrect routs we're seeing on the field.

What's funny/sad, is that Favre used to run bad fakes like that all the time...only they almost always worked, because Green Bay ran the ball consistently.

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[dreday]

Carson will not play Thursday. It was just announced. No surprise.

 

[JeffGollin]

At issue: Does a player become bound by the concussion protocol because (1) he might have a concussion vs. (2) he definately has a concussion?

I'm generally in favor of erring on the side of caution, but we really don't know what Carson's specific symptoms were or whether the medics are being super-cautious going in.

We also don't know what the docs will base their decisions on: i.e. no headaches at the 4 day mark? absence of reflex/other symptoms altogether? no symptoms after the 7 day mark?

What I'm hoping is that CP didn't display severe symptoms but the medics put him into the protocol "just to make sure everything was OK."

Note - News CP is out for Thurs was announced as I was editing this post. (Goes to show you how much I know).