Paul to Lakers

[PhxGametime]

Scola and Martin have 2 of the worst contracts out there! Yet the Suns can't/won't find a deal for Vince Carter's contract...

 

[D-Dogg]

This is not a good trade for Houston! Watch Gasol in the postseason last year?

They did. Houston was not in the postseason last year, so they sure were watching.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sweet! Then Ainge is as dumb as he's always been, and it will ruin the Celtics for years with a guarantee they don't win a ship this year too.

I'm all for it!

i don't know... they make that deal, Paul feels the ridiculous love a Boston hero gets, they make a run, then wipe Garnett and Allen off the books and have a MAX slot open and you're so sure that Paul wouldn't welcome up Dwight Howard to rule the league with him and Paul Pierce? That big three would be pretty damn nasty.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Crux of the matter right there...it's an incredible conflict of interest. Nobody can tell.



Very interesting observation right there. Trade 'em all, tank and get a nice pick, CP3 and roll. Not a bad approach.

no FA of any worth will ever sign with the Suns as long as ******** is the owner.

 

[TJ]

Somebody was pissed enough to edit David Stern's Wiki page

This has since been deleted, but here you go

...."David Stern is now the focal point of much controversy in the NBA due not only to the deleterious effects on the NBA fan base of the lockout, which caused 16 games of the 2011-2012 season to be cancelled, but also for ...his unprovoked kill of a trade that would have sent Chris Paul to the Lakers, because David Stern hates black people."

and

"He is credited with increasing the popularity of the NBA in the 1990s and 2000s, as well as celebrating the salvaging of the abbreviated 2011-12 NBA season by publicly becoming the limp-dick puppet of vagtastic NBA team owners."

 

[D-Dogg]

i don't know... they make that deal, Paul feels the ridiculous love a Boston hero gets, they make a run, then wipe Garnett and Allen off the books and have a MAX slot open and you're so sure that Paul wouldn't welcome up Dwight Howard to rule the league with him and Paul Pierce? That big three would be pretty damn nasty.

DH would be in LA. I can't see LA not get DH now that they have Pau, LO and Bynum to offer up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

DH would be in LA. I can't see LA not get DH now that they have Pau, LO and Bynum to offer up.

we'll see. I tend to think that also, but again, if Chicago were to offer Noah, Deng and picks, that's a hell of a lot more attractive package of youth and talent than anything the Lakers have to offer to a team that has to start all over again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

and the whole killing of the trade really is interesting to watch. the fallout from this on the heels of the lockout's pretty fascinating.

 

[Cheesebeef]

we'll see. I tend to think that also, but again, if Chicago were to offer Noah, Deng and picks, that's a hell of a lot more attractive package of youth and talent than anything the Lakers have to offer to a team that has to start all over again.

I mean, I could see a Pau/Bynum deal getting it done for Dwight... but that's a TON to give up and I don't think a Kobe/Dwight/Odom ********* is ultimately a title winning team.

and if they offer Odom/Bynum... well, like i said, I think someone can offer something just as good if it gets down to that. the Clippers could offer Gordon and Wolves unprotected lotto pick and DeAndre Jordan and that deal is much better than the Lakers, as is the earlier mentioned Bulls deal.

 

[D-Dogg]

http://lakers.ocregister.com/2010/12/29/phil-jackson-questions-nba-owning-hornets/45858/

Phil as a damn Nostradamus:

Jackson put forth a scenario where Hornets star Chris Paul might revive his demand for a trade, and Jackson wondered how the league could manage being the one deciding which other franchise would get Paul.

“Who’s going to pull the button on it?” Jackson asked. “When Chris says he has to be traded, how’s that going to go? … Someone’s going to have to make a very nonjudgmental decision on that part that’s not going to irritate anyone else in the league.”

 

[Joe L]

I mean, I could see a Pau/Bynum deal getting it done for Dwight... but that's a TON to give up and I don't think a Kobe/Dwight/Odom ********* is ultimately a title winning team.

and if they offer Odom/Bynum... well, like i said, I think someone can offer something just as good if it gets down to that. the Clippers could offer Gordon and Wolves unprotected lotto pick and DeAndre Jordan and that deal is much better than the Lakers, as is the earlier mentioned Bulls deal.

Clippers are not trading Gordon, DJ, or the pick. Gordon wants to stay long term, as well as DJ. Plus, Howard would just cancel out Griffin. No way I want Howard. I would have much preferred CP3.
I think now that we will sign Caron Butler, all we need is a real PG and we should be set. Hopefully the Wolves suck bad enough that we get a high lottery pick.

 

[D-Dogg]

I mean, I could see a Pau/Bynum deal getting it done for Dwight... but that's a TON to give up and I don't think a Kobe/Dwight/Odom ********* is ultimately a title winning team.

and if they offer Odom/Bynum... well, like i said, I think someone can offer something just as good if it gets down to that. the Clippers could offer Gordon and Wolves unprotected lotto pick and DeAndre Jordan and that deal is much better than the Lakers, as is the earlier mentioned Bulls deal.

I'd do Pau/Bynum for Howard in a heartbeat. I think it gets closer to a title than what we currently have, but ultimately short. But we'd have a long term center to build around that is trustworthy, unlike Bynum.

I agree the Bulls deal is better than Odom/Bynum, but I wouldn't do the Clips deal and I like DeAndre (edit - wouldn't do that from Clips perspective)

I assume we'll see the Lakers work hard to move Bynum/Odom for DH.

It's probably at the end of the day better for the Lakers to have DH than CP3, but damn it if I just want to watch a real PG play for the Lakers again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Clippers are not trading Gordon, DJ, or the pick. Gordon wants to stay long term, as well as DJ. Plus, Howard would just cancel out Griffin. No way I want Howard. I would have much preferred CP3.
I think now that we will sign Caron Butler, all we need is a real PG and we should be set. Hopefully the Wolves suck bad enough that we get a high lottery pick.

Howard will cancel out Griffin? Are you sniffing glue? They would have the most terrifying front court in the NBA. You bet your sweet ass you trade all that to get the best C of his generation and don't think twice about it.

no way I want Howard? what planet do you live on?

 

[D-Dogg]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...narowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811

Woj article - crazy stuff here.

Hornets general manager Dell Demps is “disconsolate” over the heavy-handed move from the commissioner’s office, a source told Y! Sports. Demps considered resigning his job on Thursday, league sources said, and had to be talked out of it. The Hornets had scored a terrific deal for Paul, a trade that was lauded by some of Demps’ peers throughout the league. Officials involved in the trade talks said the league office was consulted throughout the negotiations, and there was never an indication Demps didn’t have the power to make a deal. In fact, several teams negotiating with New Orleans to get Paul asked the league office, and were told Demps had full authority to execute a trade.

Stern listened to enraged owners on Thursday insist this trade went against the entire reason the owners pushed for the lockout, that nothing had changed, and yet it was Stern who made the extraordinary decision to cancel the deal. Demps tried to talk him out of it, league officials said, but Stern was absolute in his desire to kill the trade.

Paul had listed the Lakers as one of his preferred destinations, and it became a more clear choice for him on Thursday after the New York Knicks moved to the brink of completing a four-year, $58 million contract for free-agent center Tyson Chandler. The Knicks lost the salary-cap space they would’ve needed to sign Paul this summer, and the Lakers had been pushing hard to close a deal for Paul with Houston and New Orleans.

As one rival executive with strong ties to the league office said, “Stern cared about two things: Selling that franchise for the best possible price; and showing the players that they weren’t going to dictate where teams could trade them. But now, there’s no way that the league can allow Chris Paul to be traded at all, otherwise Stern is basically deciding where one of the top players in the league is going versus having any fair process.”

Officials from New Orleans, Houston and Los Angeles were stunned Thursday night. The killed trade had ripple affects everywhere in free agency and potential trades, and literally pushed the market into paralysis on the even of training camps opening up.

“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put into make that deal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

this is awesome. either way here, someone I hate (the Lakers or Stern) loses!

 

[tobiazz]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...narowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811

Woj article - crazy stuff here.

If the owners are pissed, maybe they should not have ended the lockout without resolving their grievances.

 

[D-Dogg]

@Chris_Broussard
Chris Broussard
Nets have emerged as No. 1 choice for Dwight Howard, multiple sources say. D12 is expected to ask Magic to trade him to NJ.

Hmm...wonder if this happens then maybe all of the sudden "basketball reasons" allow the Hornets to accept the Laker/Rocket/Hornet trade. Just Sayin.

 

[Joe L]

Howard will cancel out Griffin? Are you sniffing glue? They would have the most terrifying front court in the NBA. You bet your sweet ass you trade all that to get the best C of his generation and don't think twice about it.

no way I want Howard? what planet do you live on?

Howard? The guy who complains about touches...That guy? Please. Gordon and BG are our workhorses. Howard is a defensive monster, but I cringe when he plays his back to the basket. No, Howard has to be the center piece of a team...We have Griffin. Plus, Howard is a Griffin hater.

 

[D-Dogg]

this is awesome. either way here, someone I hate (the Lakers or Stern) loses!

Lakers are going to lose no matter what...Pau and Odom are PISSED, and both will pout about a half a season about it. Bynum is gone for first 5 games.


However, I'm simply enthralled at how effed up this scenario is - these guys "got their ish together" only an hour before this all went down, and clearly there is a HUGE division still between owners and everyone else.

The NBA is a big ball of suck right now, top to bottom. I'm completely entertained, though...and not by on court performance...

 

[D-Dogg]

Dan Gilbert Email to Stern:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811

The following is the email in its entirety:

Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

Dan G.

Apparently "basketball reasons" really means "money." Not shocked.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hmm...wonder if this happens then maybe all of the sudden "basketball reasons" allow the Hornets to accept the Laker/Rocket/Hornet trade. Just Sayin.

oh yeah, forgot about the Nets also who have Brook Lopez and... hell... I don't know what else. But it's a major market and he can team with Deron Williams. Whatever keeps him the hell out of LA makes me happy.

if this goes down and Howard goes to the Nets I'd LOVE to see that Paul trade be allowed to happen. the Lakers would be tissue paper soft and their future would revolve around a PG and take it from a Suns fans, that's a recipe for disaster title wise.

 

[D-Dogg]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/cp3dealhold-111208/quashing-cp3-deal-shows-nba-least-bright

The Hornets would have received Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and Goran Dragic. That's one of the most versatile players in the league, a guy who averages 18 and 10, a proven 20-a-night scorer, and a point guard who, if nothing else, has shown he can have a 23-point fourth quarter in a playoff game against the Spurs. You can compete for the playoffs with that team. You're going to tell me that's worse than the package of Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and draft picks that the Nuggets received for Carmelo Anthony?

Perhaps the league would like it better if the Hornets got a package from the Los Angeles Clippers that included Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan and Minnesota's unprotected first-round pick. Except the Clippers never offered that. Now there's no pressure on them to do so without their in-house rival driving up the bid.

So many people wondered why the lockout was held in the first place if on the day it officially ended a glamour team added one of the most coveted players. They missed the point. To say the lockout was enacted for the sake of competitive balance would be as inaccurate as saying the Civil War was fought to end slavery. The purpose of the Civil War was to restore the Union, and the purpose of the lockout was for the owners to make more money.

Securing $3 billion in economic concessions from the players was enough for the owners to call it off without enacting more restrictive rules on player movement. And as I've said before, there's nothing that can stop a player from going somewhere if he's willing to take less money.

Meanwhile, the league needs to stop being so short-sighted when it comes to assembling superteams. LeBron James leaving Cleveland didn't kill the NBA, it enhanced it. As for the outward flow of players to big markets hurting the small markets ... um, have you noticed that no potential owner had stepped up to meet the asking price on the Hornets with Chris Paul? So how much worse off would they be without him?

Competitive balance is something that will be achieved in pro sports the day after world peace is declared. The NFL has the ideal system of revenue sharing and schedule-assisted parity, and yet in Week 13 the Indianapolis Colts, Minnesota Vikings, St. Louis Rams and Jacksonville Jaguars have a total of seven wins. There's no magic language in any collective bargaining agreement that could transform the Minnesota Timberwolves into instant contenders.

 

[Cheesebeef]

if Paul isn't allowed to be traded and Dwight Howard does actually get traded to the Nets, Los Angeles radio will EXPLODE. It will be hilarious to listen to.

 

[D-Dogg]

This is so damn fun and ridiculous. I think basketball has officially ceased to be relevant. It's a little sad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is so damn fun and ridiculous. I think basketball has officially ceased to be relevant. It's a little sad.

no it's not. screw the NBA with the way it was going. The whole idea of the only place superstars wanted to play was NY, Miami and Los Angeles was just becoming nauseating and Stern's been nauseating forever.

I was pissed they even got the lockout figure out, but today has been awesome. To quote the Penguin in Batman Returns: BURN, BABY, BURN!