Per Jurecki: Dockett will request trade

[CtCardinals78]

You dont get rid of guys like Adub. Period.

He goes up in the rafters next to Aeneas. Period.

I would rather can Horton & Whiz than have his legacy tarnished.

The Cardinals do. All the time, sadly.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

what does sand taste like?

I take it you know. I don't.

 

[john h]

He won't have to, Whis will be gone by this Wed...

On this mornings talk radio shows they were saying Whiz was going to be a goner and that we had no QB worth being in the NFL. We are so bad we are now making the headlines. If Graves is not fired then he never will be fired. What team would keep a GM with a record like Graves? Fitz has said he will never criticize the team publicly that he is playing for.

 

[kerouac9]

Whatever cbus. You don't think Dockett and ADub are still producing? Give me a break. And yes, when all said and done this team will be set back. Next year will look more like the 2003 Cardinals than the 2008 Cardinals. The holes on this team are too great, and now it appears we will have to focus on two more positions that we didn't plan on replacing at the seasons start. Yes, Wilson is getting older an production has declined, but he is still good enough to start and play in this league.

I know your a Whisenhunt fan, but he has had three years to do it his way and he has failed, miserably. The talent level on this team has dropped considerably from what it was in the playoff years.

I just don't believe that is true. We're far more talented than the 2003 Cardinals, who had almost nothing on either side of the ball. Yes, if we cast-off Darnell Dockett, we'll be creating a hole for ourselves. But keep in mind also that the "defense" and "offense" we put on the field yesterday doesn't have a whole lot in common with the intended units on either side of the football.

The holes that I see on this team are:

DIRE: QB, OG
MODERATE: OLB, ILB, RB, S
DEPTH: DE, OT

That's not a huge, insurmountable problem that should lead us to despair. It's an issue that can be overcome in an offseason. Maybe not making us a Super Bowl contender, but one that would make us competitive into December.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I just don't believe that is true. We're far more talented than the 2003 Cardinals, who had almost nothing on either side of the ball. Yes, if we cast-off Darnell Dockett, we'll be creating a hole for ourselves. But keep in mind also that the "defense" and "offense" we put on the field yesterday doesn't have a whole lot in common with the intended units on either side of the football.

The holes that I see on this team are:

DIRE: QB, OG
MODERATE: OLB, ILB, RB, S
DEPTH: DE, OT

That's not a huge, insurmountable problem that should lead us to despair. It's an issue that can be overcome in an offseason. Maybe not making us a Super Bowl contender, but one that would make us competitive into December.

I agree K9, but to fix these holes the right way the Cardinals can't do it their way by signing second rate free agents and expecting guys drafted in the 6 and 7 rounds to make major contributions. They are going to have to get outside their comfort zone and be major players in the FA market to plug holes as well as hit on their draft picks.


This team although more talented than the 2003 squad are on the verge of going back to those days if they are not careful. If they let guys who have been instrumental in their recent success like Dockett and ADub go, what to keep the next guy from saying "wow, see what they did to Dockett? What is to keep them from doing that to me?" and then we will see guys waiting to get out of here.

This organization has started down a very slippery slope and they need to be careful over the coming weeks and months.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You dont get rid of guys like Adub. Period.

He goes up in the rafters next to Aeneas. Period.

I would rather can Horton & Whiz than have his legacy tarnished.

Tell that to Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Aeneas Williams, Johnny Unitas, Jerry Rice, Peyton Manning, Ronnie Lott, Deacon Jones, Emmit Smith, Larry Allen, Marcus Allen, Joe Namath, LaDainian Tomlinson, Tony Gonzalez, Alan Page, Rod Woodson, OJ Simpson, Junior Seau and so many more.

Players leave; sometimes they do it by dying, sometimes they do it by being traded, sometimes they do it by being cut but one thing never changes. Players leave. When his career is over, he's the kind of player that a classy organization might bring back so he can retire officially from that team. Hopefully, we'll be that classy with Adrian, he deserves it.

Steve

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I agree K9, but to fix these holes the right way the Cardinals can't do it their way by signing second rate free agents and expecting guys drafted in the 6 and 7 rounds to make major contributions. They are going to have to get outside their comfort zone and me major players in the FA market to plug holes as well as hit on their draft picks.


This team although more talented than the 2003 squad are on the verge of going back to those days if they are not careful. If they let guys who have been instrumental in their recent success like Dockett and ADub go, what to keep the next guy from saying "wow, see what they did to Dockett? What is to keep them from doing that to me?" and then we will see guys waiting to get out of here.

This organization has started down a very slippery slope and they need to be careful over the coming weeks and months.[/QUOTE]



... and, frankly, I could see a "splash" to appease the fan base.

 

[seesred]

I'd add to dire a RB! WE have nobody there now and with Wells and Williams bad legs.

IMO we need to get going on the coach only to get guys to stop thinking about how bad we played on Sunday. Our D was great up till yesterday and our offense was horrid. But we competed. The O-line appears to be playing much better Roberts Housler and Fitz are solid WR's. Maybe Floyd next year. We need A
RB
QB
Oline help

We are going to need replacements for Wilson and DD plus ????? I hope we can patch things up with Wilson who should be playing FT and DD who never should have been thrown under the bus.

We are also going to need fans if these things are not accomplished. The fall out from this sham could be large. To give us any hope to spend this kind of money we should fire the offensive coach TODAY! Whis end of season, line coach end of season. Graves ASAP.

I'm not sure after 24 years of paying that I will renew after this season without most of the above done.
GBR
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[kerouac9]

I'd add to dire a RB! WE have nobody there now and with Wells and Williams bad legs.

IMO we need to get going on the coach only to get guys to stop thinking about how bad we played on Sunday. Our D was great up till yesterday and our offense was horrid. But we competed. The O-line appears to be playing much better Roberts Housler and Fitz are solid WR's. Maybe Floyd next year. We need A
RB
QB
Oline help

We are going to need replacements for Wilson and DD plus ????? I hope we can patch things up with Wilson who should be playing FT and DD who never should have been thrown under the bus.

We are also going to need fans if these things are not accomplished. The fall out from this sham could be large. To give us any hope to spend this kind of money we should fire the offensive coach TODAY! Whis end of season, line coach end of season. Graves ASAP.

I'm not sure after 24 years of paying that I will renew after this season without most of the above done.
GBR
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RB is not a dire need for any team in the NFL. You'd prefer to have a good one who can carry the ball 22+ times a game, but it's neither a necessary nor sufficient requirement.

Further, RB success is (almost) entirely predicated on the offensive line in front of him. Our OL system is predicated on (1) having big, strong OTs, and (2) having mobile, technically sound OGs and Centers. Right now we have neither. Massie is getting better with his run sets, but he's going to need another year. Potter just has to get better. Our guards are awful.

I'd love to have Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, or Muscle Hamster. But I'm not going to stress out about it, because if we had adequate players in front of him, Beanie Wells, LSH, or William Powell can be good enough.

I'm not going to sweat losing Wilson because our defense has been better at making plays without him. I'm sweating losing Kerry Rhodes and (weirdly) losing Rashad Johnson. Those guys have been more than solid as starters the last several weeks.

I would have a problem losing Dockett. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the team shoot itself in the face by cutting/trading Dockett and then using a first-round pick to "replace" him.

 

[Chopper0080]

I just don't believe that is true. We're far more talented than the 2003 Cardinals, who had almost nothing on either side of the ball. Yes, if we cast-off Darnell Dockett, we'll be creating a hole for ourselves. But keep in mind also that the "defense" and "offense" we put on the field yesterday doesn't have a whole lot in common with the intended units on either side of the football.

The holes that I see on this team are:

DIRE: QB, OG
MODERATE: OLB, ILB, RB, S
DEPTH: DE, OT

That's not a huge, insurmountable problem that should lead us to despair. It's an issue that can be overcome in an offseason. Maybe not making us a Super Bowl contender, but one that would make us competitive into December.

This is the exact reasons why I have to consider bringing Whis back, but after the Seattle game, I don't know if it is an option anymore.

 

[Chopper0080]

RB is not a dire need for any team in the NFL. You'd prefer to have a good one who can carry the ball 22+ times a game, but it's neither a necessary nor sufficient requirement.

Further, RB success is (almost) entirely predicated on the offensive line in front of him. Our OL system is predicated on (1) having big, strong OTs, and (2) having mobile, technically sound OGs and Centers. Right now we have neither. Massie is getting better with his run sets, but he's going to need another year. Potter just has to get better. Our guards are awful.

I'd love to have Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, or Muscle Hamster. But I'm not going to stress out about it, because if we had adequate players in front of him, Beanie Wells, LSH, or William Powell can be good enough.

I'm not going to sweat losing Wilson because our defense has been better at making plays without him. I'm sweating losing Kerry Rhodes and (weirdly) losing Rashad Johnson. Those guys have been more than solid as starters the last several weeks.

I would have a problem losing Dockett. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the team shoot itself in the face by cutting/trading Dockett and then using a first-round pick to "replace" him.

Agreed, Adrian Wilson is a limited player now. I would like to think there is a place for him still on this team, but it has to be a reduced one. Kerry Rhodes and Rashad Johnson are huge players to re-sign because while limited, they have shown they know the defense.

As far as Dockett, I'm not sure you replace a player like him, but because he is playing out of position in a 3-4, I think you can draft a guy like Margus Hunt out of SMU who can hold up blockers and allow linebackers to roam free. Where we would miss Dockett the most is in nickel packages where we use him as an interior pass rusher. He excels there.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Dockett:

Asked about his relationship with coach Ken Whisenhunt, Dockett said, “Hey, man, I don’t know. I’ve got a commitment to my teammates and my defensive coordinator that I would do the best I can, play to the best of my ability. I get on the field, I continue to play hard.”

 

[cardsfanmd]

I don't buy it one bit. Jurecki just trying to start some chatter.

This

 

[Duckjake]

I'm not going to sweat losing Wilson because our defense has been better at making plays without him. I'm sweating losing Kerry Rhodes and (weirdly) losing Rashad Johnson. Those guys have been more than solid as starters the last several weeks.

More Cardinal oddity. The defensive turnaround last year occurred with Kerry Rhodes out injured for 7 of the last 9 games.

 

[kerouac9]

More Cardinal oddity. The defensive turnaround last year occurred with Kerry Rhodes out injured for 7 of the last 9 games.

I said this when we traded for Rhodes, but him and Wilson really have the same skill set. Rhodes was making plays patrolling around the Jets defensive backfield, not playing Dexter Jackson 25 yards deep.

Having Rhodes and Wilson on the field at the same time makes them both worse.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I just don't believe that is true. We're far more talented than the 2003 Cardinals, who had almost nothing on either side of the ball.

Sadly I believe that while the 2003 Cardinals as a whole were significantly less talented, even scrubs like Blake and McClown would be so superior to Skelton and Lindley that the 2012 Cardinals would probably lose (likely by a score of 6-3).

 

[desertdawg]

I said this when we traded for Rhodes, but him and Wilson really have the same skill set. Rhodes was making plays patrolling around the Jets defensive backfield, not playing Dexter Jackson 25 yards deep.

Having Rhodes and Wilson on the field at the same time makes them both worse.

That's what I'm seeing, can't have two ballhawks in at the same time, can leave you exposed.. I think they average out at the end, AW is a bit more physical but Rhodes aint no chumpstain. Kerry sniffs stuff out better but AW puts himself in position to make plays too. I'm a huge AW fan but Rhodes has been killing it lately.

 

[kerouac9]

Sadly I believe that while the 2003 Cardinals as a whole were significantly less talented, even scrubs like Blake and McClown would be so superior to Skelton and Lindley that the 2012 Cardinals would probably lose (likely by a score of 6-3).

Yeah... it's that quarterback problem again. Maybe the 2003 Arizona Cardinals would be blown so far off the line that even Beanie Wells would be able to get yardage?

That 2003 Cards front seven were Dennis Johnson, Russell Davis, Marcus Bell, Calvin Pace (line), Raynoch Thompson, Ronald McKinnon, and LeVar Fisher (he was my boy--naughty aughties version of Jim Dray) as linebackers.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Whatever cbus. You don't think Dockett and ADub are still producing? Give me a break. And yes, when all said and done this team will be set back. Next year will look more like the 2003 Cardinals than the 2008 Cardinals. The holes on this team are too great, and now it appears we will have to focus on two more positions that we didn't plan on replacing at the seasons start. Yes, Wilson is getting older an production has declined, but he is still good enough to start and play in this league.

I know your a Whisenhunt fan, but he has had three years to do it his way and he has failed, miserably. The talent level on this team has dropped considerably from what it was in the playoff years.

Re-read what I said. I said IF they are not producing, I didn't say they weren't. And I stand by that any player not named Stewart Bradley is gone once they are making alot money and not producing.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You dont get rid of people like Adub or Fitz. It is moronic to think they will be gone.

These are Mt. Rushmore figures of the last decade for our team. They are allowed to stay as long as they want IMO.

I don't agree with that thinking. Nobody deserves anything, they habe to earn it.

I got into an argument with a friend of mine years ago whether Joe Paterno deserves to say when he's leaving PSU. His argument was that he had done so much for the University that he deserved that right. My point was he's still an employee and a very well-paid one at that. He's been more than compensated for his service. If he's declining, 85 years old, and crapping his pants on the sidelines like he did at OSU, it's time to move on.

That's just my opinion.

 

[Chopper0080]

One the Arizona writers stated Whis had an individual meeting with Dockett today to clear the air...who knows.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't agree with that thinking. Nobody deserves anything, they habe to earn it.

I got into an argument with a friend of mine years ago whether Joe Paterno deserves to say when he's leaving PSU. His argument was that he had done so much for the University that he deserved that right. My point was he's still an employee and a very well-paid one at that. He's been more than compensated for his service. If he's declining, 85 years old, and crapping his pants on the sidelines like he did at OSU, it's time to move on.

That's just my opinion.

This is football not Copier sales. Guys that perform at a high level for a long time for a professional football team deserve the recognition, deserve the retirement year, deserve the spot on the stadium wall. Wilson has stuck with the Cards for 12 years. He deserves a lot more than a kick out the door. If he wants to leave so he can play a little more for a year or two fine but don't make it a contentious situation.

Now if we ever have an 85 year old safety I'll go along with you.

 

[desertdawg]

This is football not Copier sales. Guys that perform at a high level for a long time for a professional football team deserve the recognition, deserve the retirement year, deserve the spot on the stadium wall. Wilson has stuck with the Cards for 12 years. He deserves a lot more than a kick out the door. If he wants to leave so he can play a little more for a year or two fine but don't make it a contentious situation.

Now if we ever have an 85 year old safety I'll go along with you.

I like to think of it as a construction business. You got your demo team and your builders. Our demo team is great, goes out and can contain other team's builders quite well.

Our builders still haven't gotten their permits this year and we are on our 14 job. The demo team knows this, so they quit ordering the dynamite.

Mikey shows up to the jobsite, sees the builders trying to figure out how to use measuring tape and watches the demo team get drunk and depressed, passed out in the back of their pick up trucks ready to leave...and Mikey says it's all good.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This is football not Copier sales. Guys that perform at a high level for a long time for a professional football team deserve the recognition, deserve the retirement year, deserve the spot on the stadium wall. Wilson has stuck with the Cards for 12 years. He deserves a lot more than a kick out the door. If he wants to leave so he can play a little more for a year or two fine but don't make it a contentious situation.

Now if we ever have an 85 year old safety I'll go along with you.

I didn't say be contentious or kick them out. But, the Cards can't let players, no matter how good or well-liked, tell them when they are done.

Hardly any player gets to leave on their own terms. That doesn't mean they can't honor them down the road.

 

[Darkside]

The Cards don't owe Whis anything. Credibility only counts when you have it. There's no resting on laurels in the NFL. Just look at the Manning situation as proof of that. Hell, look at a guy like Denny Green, who was also on the competition committee. Well respected around the league until he gets here and starts to suddenly forget how to coach.

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