Per Somers: Breaston Interest

[kerouac9]

man, I don't see it. I had the guy on my fantasy team two years ago when he had his "big year" which really consisted of having a great start to the season for 8 games then falling off a cliff, followed up by a season where he was used less and less and then blew out his knee.

Breaston's bigger, faster, has good hands, loves the team and knows the system.

The grass ain't always greener.



I just don't see a guy coming off a torn ACL injury 9 months ago as a viable option.

Breaston's 6'0", 189. Smith is 5'11", 195. C'mon, now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I wouldn't want Steve Smith from the Giants over Breaston. In fact I'd like to see Breaston stay, but my concern is how much do you "Reward" him??? If other teams throw tons of money at him I don't think it's worth it. I'd rather the Cards spend their money else where.

i don't see him getting big bucks. he's in the unfortunate position of being a FA in a VERY deep WR FA class. But he's a solid number 2 in my opinion and if we're just happy to replace him with draft picks, well, great. another key YOUNG member of the super bowl/playoff team bites the dust.

and K9, while I agree that the Steelers are great at what they do, but haven't we proven time and time again that we CAN'T replicate that? I just don't see the pieces on this team to fill his shoes... nor do I think he's a mascot. Anyone who can haul in 158 yards while being thrown to by Anderson has to have pretty great body control, hands and athletic ability to reach the wounded ducks that SOB was throwing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well you cant draw a conclusion as to thats why he wasnt on the field.. My reference you can clearly draw a conclusion to..

so he's injury prone AND is admits he's overwhelmed by the game... and wasn't drafted by anyone. great. let's depend on that guy.

 

[Chopper0080]

Thats why you trade for the Panthers Steve Smith. (still beating that drum) Facts are that we are searching for a number 2 wr since boldin left. Breaston leaving just adds a hole in the 4th wr spot as roberts would be the 3.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Breaston's 6'0", 189. Smith is 5'11", 195. C'mon, now.

in the NFL every inch counts.

 

[Gee!]

so he's injury prone AND is admits he's overwhelmed by the game... and wasn't drafted by anyone. great. let's depend on that guy.

Injury prone? DA threw the ball so damn high that when he went up and got it the defender layed his ass out..

The overwhelmed thing as you say, came in the beginning of the year, yet he didnt get injured until mid year.. Im sure any rookie would be overwhelmed.. Thats part of being a rookie..

Lots of players arent drafted.. Alot of them made the Pro Bowl last year.. That statement holds no water..

 

[Gee!]

in the NFL every inch counts.

And Williams is 6'5"

 

[ajcardfan]

from someone who really likes Steve Breaston:

I am not convinced he is a true #2 WR.

Almost all his production came as a #3 guy. My fear is that some WR needy team will be willing to take the chance that he is a #2 and pay him as such.

His number 3 days were with Kurt Warner. His number 2 days were with Anderson/Hall/Skelton. Nuff said on that.

Plus, the kid is more of a football player than just a WR. That play were he chased down the Rams player to strip him and stop a TD was one of the all time great heart and hustle plays I've ever seen from a Cardinals player.

 

[82CardsGrad]

His number 3 days were with Kurt Warner. His number 2 days were with Anderson/Hall/Skelton. Nuff said on that.

Plus, the kid is more of a football player than just a WR. That play were he chased down the Rams player to strip him and stop a TD was one of the all time great heart and hustle plays I've ever seen from a Cardinals player.

Absolutely!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Injury prone? DA threw the ball so damn high that when he went up and got it the defender layed his ass out..

right, so he took one hit to his rail thin body and was out for the next ten games... great. We already have one Mr. Glass.

The overwhelmed thing as you say, came in the beginning of the year, yet he didnt get injured until mid year..

okay... and yet, by the middle of the year he was catching less than 1 ball per game... ONE.

Im sure any rookie would be overwhelmed.. Thats part of being a rookie..

to the point that the Coach, who's desperate for a WR, won't even put him in the game?!

Lots of players arent drafted.. Alot of them made the Pro Bowl last year.. That statement holds no water..

"a lot of them made the Pro Bowl"... go ahead, name me a lot of them please. And after that, show me how many times OUR FO has been able to find these undrafted FA who make the Pro-Bowl? Actually, how many undrafted players has our FO located over the years who have even made an impact on the team, much less the Pro Bowl?

good teams don't go into a season depending on undrafted FAs who made zero impact when they made the team the previous year. that's a recipe for disaster.

 

[ajcardfan]

I wouldn't want Steve Smith from the Giants over Breaston. In fact I'd like to see Breaston stay, but my concern is how much do you "Reward" him??? If other teams throw tons of money at him I don't think it's worth it. I'd rather the Cards spend their money else where.

Yeah, now that it's back to a hard cap the contract amount really does matter. I'd be happy to see Breaston back, but not at the expense of a LB or QB that we so desperately need.

 

[Duckjake]

I totally agree with this. It would suck to see Breaston leave but he is replaceble.

But you keep letting these guys go- and replacing them with 30 year old former Steelers or draft picks- and you end up with the roster we have now: a group of guys who are too young paired with a group of guys who are too old and none of them with any serious experience with your football team.

The Cards have a ton of money why not keep him?

 

[Cheesebeef]

His number 3 days were with Kurt Warner. His number 2 days were with Anderson/Hall/Skelton. Nuff said on that.

Plus, the kid is more of a football player than just a WR. That play were he chased down the Rams player to strip him and stop a TD was one of the all time great heart and hustle plays I've ever seen from a Cardinals player.

exactly... as fans, don't you want a guy who makes big plays at big times (punt return in the super bowl, GB playoff game)... has good hands, good speed, is still relatively young, never quits on a play, plays injured AND loves this team for some reason?

 

[MadCardDisease]

i don't see him getting big bucks. he's in the unfortunate position of being a FA in a VERY deep WR FA class. But he's a solid number 2 in my opinion and if we're just happy to replace him with draft picks, well, great. another key YOUNG member of the super bowl/playoff team bites the dust.

IMO Breaston is an average #2 and a very solid #3. He has a place on this team if the price is right.

If he could be had for something like $3 million a year I'd be all for it. If he's looking for $4-5 million or more a year then I say we part ways. We have bigger needs or could get better value IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

and K9, while I agree that the Steelers are great at what they do, but haven't we proven time and time again that we CAN'T replicate that? I just don't see the pieces on this team to fill his shoes... nor do I think he's a mascot. Anyone who can haul in 158 yards while being thrown to by Anderson has to have pretty great body control, hands and athletic ability to reach the wounded ducks that SOB was throwing.

We can't at every position, clearly. But we've developed good WRs--as good as Breaston--over the years from largely nowhere.

Boldin left, and he had a year that was his worst since 2004 when he missed 6 games.

Bryant Johnson left and had 18 more yards the next season than he did his last year in Arizona--in four more starts.

Boston left, and his YPC fell by a full 4 yards (although that San Diego season was pretty good--7 TDs in 14 games).

Jason McAddley left, never did anything else.

WRs are disposable parts. Ask T.J. Houshmanzadeh. Ask Deion Branch. This team has SHOWN that they can identify and develop value players at the WR position and put them in a position to succeed.

No, Max Komar isn't going to replace Steve Breaston, but Max Komar isn't going to make the roster. Steve Breaston is a good player and a better guy, but his highlight last season was forcing a fumble in the first game of the year. Three of his four biggest games last year were in blowout losses where we were passing all the time and coverage was being rolled over to Fitz.

We haven't lost Breaston yet, but I've been saying for a year and a half now that re-signing Breaston isn't and shouldn't be a priority. He's less essential to winning football games than Deuce or Sendlein. I'd love to keep him around for $4 million a year, or $2 million base and playing time bonuses. But he's not a priority.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah, now that it's back to a hard cap the contract amount really does matter. I'd be happy to see Breaston back, but not at the expense of a LB or QB that we so desperately need.

this team has so much damn money from not spending anything last year, this shouldn't be an either or situation.

 

[Krangodnzr]

[HISTRIONICS]
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a) cut the crap with the histrionics. there's no need for that. talk football and don't act like K9.



and if they did that, great... but seeing as the team DOESN'T usually do that and instead has a history of relying on draft picks or undrafted FAs (see what we did after losing Q... or Dansby... or anyone else for that matter usually), it just doesn't make sense not to try and bring a guy who knows the system, is young, contributes and bleeds red for your team.

seriously... who are these 10 guys and which of them would we even legitmately go after Krang?



if the team continues to systematically eliminate EVERY player save Fitz, Dockett and a rapidly aging AW from our only era of success, that's exactly what it's like. young good players who are loyal to the club should be rewarded... not because of their loyalty, but because they're good young players.

I call it like I see it; Kerouac nailed it in his post: Breaston is a good player that is easily replaceable by a good chunk of receivers in the league. And the Cardinals have been able to churn out receivers over the years, even though we've failed to at most other positions.

Losing Breaston wouldn't be the huge loss you're making it out to be (hence my mention of histrionics). Not addressing WR IF we lost Breaston would be the issue, but again we may have a replacement (or upgrade) on the roster already.

 

[Shane]

But you keep letting these guys go- and replacing them with 30 year old former Steelers or draft picks- and you end up with the roster we have now: a group of guys who are too young paired with a group of guys who are too old and none of them with any serious experience with your football team.

The Cards have a ton of money why not keep him?

I love Stevie. I love his heart. But 700 yards and 2 TDs a year just isn't hard to replace.

 

[Krangodnzr]

IMO Breaston is an average #2 and a very solid #3. He has a place on this team if the price is right.

If he could be had for something like $3 million a year I'd be all for it. If he's looking for $4-5 million or more a year then I say we part ways. We have bigger needs or could get better value IMO.

I'd pay the 4-5 million a year, but no more. Decent starting receivers get paid around that .

 

[Shane]

this team has so much damn money from not spending anything last year, this shouldn't be an either or situation.

There's a hard cap. They have to spend 99% of the #. like aj said I'm great with Stevie coming back. But not at the expense of another position.

 

[MadCardDisease]

But you keep letting these guys go- and replacing them with 30 year old former Steelers or draft picks- and you end up with the roster we have now: a group of guys who are too young paired with a group of guys who are too old and none of them with any serious experience with your football team.

The Cards have a ton of money why not keep him?

The Cards also have a ton of needs they need to fill. That money will dry up fairly quickly if they sign a couple of big name free agents. Again I'm all for re-signing Breaston if the price is right. My concern is that another team will throw more money at him than he is worth. If that happens then I say we go another direction.

 

[ajcardfan]

this team has so much damn money from not spending anything last year, this shouldn't be an either or situation.

We have 37.3 million in cap space. We have 41 players signed, have room to sign 49. Our restricted free agents are not counted in the cap space yet.

We could easily re-sign Breaston to a very nice deal, and several others, IF we would do like most teams and backload the deals rather than frontloading the entire signing bonus onto this year's cap as we have done for the last decade with Rod Graves as GM.

I don't think we'll change how we do contracts. So, unfortunately, it will be a matter of picking and choosing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We can't at every position, clearly. But we've developed good WRs--as good as Breaston--over the years from largely nowhere.

Boldin left, and he had a year that was his worst since 2004 when he missed 6 games.

Bryant Johnson left and had 18 more yards the next season than he did his last year in Arizona--in four more starts.

he never did anything here either? we didn't develop him for squat.

Boston left, and his YPC fell by a full 4 yards (although that San Diego season was pretty good--7 TDs in 14 games).

and he flamed out of the league because of drugs.

Jason McAddley left, never did anything else.

he never did anything here either. what's the point in bringing him up?

WRs are disposable parts. Ask T.J. Houshmanzadeh. Ask Deion Branch. This team has SHOWN that they can identify and develop value players at the WR position and put them in a position to succeed.

I just don't see it. They drafted Q who came out of the gate swinging. they didn't develop anything there. Larry is a freak of nature. BJ was never anything here and never anything anywhere else. Jason McAddley was nothing at any point on any team in any time in the league. The only WR we've truly shown the ability to develop IS Breaston.

no one's saying break the bank for him... but he's a good #2 WR and a hell of a football player. if he wants 4-5 million dollars a year, he's worth every penny IMO.

We haven't lost Breaston yet, but I've been saying for a year and a half now that re-signing Breaston isn't and shouldn't be a priority. He's less essential to winning football games than Deuce or Sendlein. I'd love to keep him around for $4 million a year, or $2 million base and playing time bonuses. But he's not a priority.

I go Deuce first, Breaston second. Sendlein has never impressed me.

 

[Gee!]

right, so he took one hit to his rail thin body and was out for the next ten games... great. We already have one Mr. Glass.



okay... and yet, by the middle of the year he was catching less than 1 ball per game... ONE.



to the point that the Coach, who's desperate for a WR, won't even put him in the game?!



"a lot of them made the Pro Bowl"... go ahead, name me a lot of them please. And after that, show me how many times OUR FO has been able to find these undrafted FA who make the Pro-Bowl? Actually, how many undrafted players has our FO located over the years who have even made an impact on the team, much less the Pro Bowl?

good teams don't go into a season depending on undrafted FAs who made zero impact when they made the team the previous year. that's a recipe for disaster.

I gotta believe you made up most these numbers.. First of all how could he miss the next 10 games when he played in 11 games last year? Which goes against your other statement that they wouldnt put him in the game..

And as for the non drafted pro bowlers last year.. Seriously? Name them? James Harrison, Vonta Leach, Antonio Gates, Arian Foster.. Theres more just dont feel like going to look em up..

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd pay the 4-5 million a year, but no more. Decent starting receivers get paid around that .

that's all I'm saying... and it should have gotten done LAST season... which is really my bigger gripe as usual. I can't wait to read Rod Graves biography one day: "The Rod Graves Story: A day late and a dollar short."