Per Somers: Breaston Interest

[MadCardDisease]

i like that kind of contract for Breaston.

I guess I could live with that for Breaston.

 

[Krangodnzr]

i wouldn't mind Santana Moss as a deep threat WR to replace Breaston.

Yeah thats about right for Breaston.

Anything more, and it's walking papers IMO.

 

[Stout]

Rice is not a speed guy.

??? Yeah, okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I wouldn't mind keeping talent that the coach brought here, developed and is now entering his prime.

 

[splitsecond]

I definitely want to see Phantom re-signed, but I can tell you right now we are going to see huge improvements from Roberts, Williams and Komar this year. Williams if developed right can be a better deep threat than Breaston I think. Komar needs to work on his drops/separation, but if any of you watched him play college ball you saw some of the crazy stuff he can do. Receivers tend to make their biggest jump in year 2, and you can bet that is weighing on the front office in deciding who to spend their money on.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I don't see why people are saying he's easily replaceble. We'd have to go out and sign a guy like Vincent Jackson to make up his impact on the team and then some which I find very unlikely. We might as well resign him if he's not asking for too much.

 

[Gee!]

a) YOU made the claim about a ton of non-drafted Pro-Bowler. Either back up your claim or you can take it back. Telling someone "I said so and if you don't believe me, look it up" is just silly.

b) and again, regardless of that, how many undrafted FA have THE CARDINALS IDENTIFIED during that time period?

Players that were non drafted in the 2011 Pro Bowl:

Arian Foster
Antonio Gates
Kris Dielman
Brian Waters
Wes Welker
Jeff Saturday
James Harrison
Cameron Wake
Billy Cundiff
Montell Owens
John Denney
Jason Peters
Shaun Ohara
Miles Austin
Tyson Clabo
Donald Penn
London Fletcher
Tramon Williams
Brent Grimes
Mat McBriar
David Akers
Eric Weems

Thats 22 pro bowlers last year that were never drafted..

And I never said Cards had undrafted pro bowlers.. Just saying it can happen.. Which the list proves..

 

[Cheesebeef]

Players that were non drafted in the 2011 Pro Bowl:

Arian Foster
Antonio Gates
Kris Dielman
Brian Waters
Wes Welker
Jeff Saturday
James Harrison
Cameron Wake
Billy Cundiff
Montell Owens
John Denney
Jason Peters
Shaun Ohara
Miles Austin
Tyson Clabo
Donald Penn
London Fletcher
Tramon Williams
Brent Grimes
Mat McBriar
David Akers
Eric Weems

Thats 22 pro bowlers last year that were never drafted..

And I never said Cards had undrafted pro bowlers.. Just saying it can happen.. Which the list proves..

and I'm saying we don't have the talent evaluators who spot those guys, so who cares what it proves? if we can never find those guys and continually find guys who don't produce, does it matter what other teams do?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I say sign Roy Williams as your speed guy when Dallas cuts him.

Roy Williams? Lol!

 

[Gee!]

and I'm saying we don't have the talent evaluators who spot those guys, so who cares what it proves? if we can never find those guys and continually find guys who don't produce, does it matter what other teams do?

Now you say this..

You were pretty adament that I produce the list .. Whatever cheese.. Your whole arguement against S. Williams was wrong.. Its ok..

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't see why people are saying he's easily replaceble. We'd have to go out and sign a guy like Vincent Jackson to make up his impact on the team and then some which I find very unlikely. We might as well resign him if he's not asking for too much.

Vincent Jackson >>>>>>>steve breaston

James Jones>>>Steve Breaston

My first preference is to resign Steve Breaston, but there are numerous capable replacements out there. Mike Sims-Walker would be a competent replacement too.

 

[lobo]

Maybe. Bringing in another is fine by me.

Far from the end of then world...nice player...easily replaceable

 

[Duckjake]

Players that were non drafted in the 2011 Pro Bowl:

Arian Foster
Antonio Gates
Kris Dielman
Brian Waters
Wes Welker
Jeff Saturday
James Harrison
Cameron Wake
Billy Cundiff
Montell Owens
John Denney
Jason Peters
Shaun Ohara
Miles Austin
Tyson Clabo
Donald Penn
London Fletcher
Tramon Williams
Brent Grimes
Mat McBriar
David Akers
Eric Weems

Thats 22 pro bowlers last year that were never drafted..

And I never said Cards had undrafted pro bowlers.. Just saying it can happen.. Which the list proves..

How did Eric Weems make the pro bowl? He only has 13 catches in 4 years! Is there more than one Eric Weems in the NFL? Is he a special teams guy?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Now you say this..

You were pretty adament that I produce the list .. Whatever cheese.. Your whole arguement against S. Williams was wrong.. Its ok..

Gee, I said that in the exact same post where I asked you originally how many undrafted FA made the Pro-Bowl.

can you answer the question?

 

[Cheesebeef]

right, so he took one hit to his rail thin body and was out for the next ten games... great. We already have one Mr. Glass.



okay... and yet, by the middle of the year he was catching less than 1 ball per game... ONE.



to the point that the Coach, who's desperate for a WR, won't even put him in the game?!



"a lot of them made the Pro Bowl"... go ahead, name me a lot of them please. And after that, show me how many times OUR FO has been able to find these undrafted FA who make the Pro-Bowl? Actually, how many undrafted players has our FO located over the years who have even made an impact on the team, much less the Pro Bowl?

Gee... "NOW you say this..." seriously Gee... it's in the EXACT original post where I asked you how many guys make the Pro-Bowl who are undrafted FA. Instead of laughing, try and follow along... or just answer the question which you've ignored for 6 pages.

 

[D-Dogg]

so he's injury prone AND is admits he's overwhelmed by the game... and wasn't drafted by anyone. great. let's depend on that guy.

Injury prone? He went up for one of Scud Anderson's alley oop passes and got drilled in the spine. Wouldn't exactly call that injury prone.

Now, the issue was that he was open several times deep and had semi-catchable balls that he dropped. Including a TD in his hands. That's more worrisome, and likely why he didn't get much field time. Early in the season, Whis called his name a lot, and he didn't deliver. Whis doesn't seem to be patient if you don't produce.

That said, I wouldn't depend on him at any rate.

 

[Gee!]

Gee, I said that in the exact same post where I asked you originally how many undrafted FA made the Pro-Bowl.

can you answer the question?

Gee... "NOW you say this..." seriously Gee... it's in the EXACT original post where I asked you how many guys make the Pro-Bowl who are undrafted FA. Instead of laughing, try and follow along... or just answer the question which you've ignored for 6 pages.

That was a qualifier you added on near the end.. Im guessing you knew you might be wrong so added it on.. Then you start talking about our evaluators.. so ya.. Its funny as hell..

 

[Toro]

Someone is going to give him 4 yrs/$28M.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Someone is going to give him 4 yrs/$28M.

Can't see why. While Santana Moss is older, he got $15M over 4 years, after a 93 catch season.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6...on-redskins-agree-three-year-deal-source-says

 

[Cheesebeef]

That was a qualifier you added on near the end.. Im guessing you knew you might be wrong so added it on.. Then you start talking about our evaluators.. so ya.. Its funny as hell..

it wasn't a qualifier I added on at the end. it was a part of the discussion right from the start and ultimately it's even more important than the list you showed because we're not talking about other teams... we're talking about the Cardinals, and the fact is that the Cardinals NEVER ID undrafted FA who end up being Pro Bowlers. How our talent evaluators aren't germane to the topic of if Williams will be any good is comedy to you is a little beyond me... actually no it's not.

Just answer the question Gee... considering the MOUNTAIN of evidence suggests the Cardinals NEVER find that guy, what are the likelihood that Stephen Williams is going to be a Pro-Bowler... or even a contributor?

 

[Mulli]

it wasn't a qualifier I added on at the end. it was a part of the discussion right from the start and ultimately it's even more important than the list you showed because we're not talking about other teams... we're talking about the Cardinals, and the fact is that the Cardinals NEVER ID undrafted FA who end up being Pro Bowlers. How our talent evaluators aren't germane to the topic of if Williams will be any good is comedy to you is a little beyond me... actually no it's not.

Just answer the question Gee... considering the MOUNTAIN of evidence suggests the Cardinals NEVER find that guy, what are the likelihood that Stephen Williams is going to be a Pro-Bowler... or even a contributor?

It is possible, since Breaston was a fifth rounder because of return ability and and UDFA as a receiver.

 

[Gee!]

it wasn't a qualifier I added on at the end. it was a part of the discussion right from the start and ultimately it's even more important than the list you showed because we're not talking about other teams... we're talking about the Cardinals, and the fact is that the Cardinals NEVER ID undrafted FA who end up being Pro Bowlers. How our talent evaluators aren't germane to the topic of if Williams will be any good is comedy to you is a little beyond me... actually no it's not.

Just answer the question Gee... considering the MOUNTAIN of evidence suggests the Cardinals NEVER find that guy, what are the likelihood that Stephen Williams is going to be a Pro-Bowler... or even a contributor?

Quit being melodramatic geesh.. You added it on.. Your just trying to complain about something Cardinals related again..

The very first thing I said about Williams in this thread is "I still have high hopes for him".. Before I even started giving you stats on anything.. I said hopes.. There isnt stats for that.. So I guess thats why it took so long to "answer" you.. I had no idea what the question was because you keep adding on things and asking questions that have no answer to..

 

[Cheesebeef]

Quit being melodramatic geesh.. You added it on.. Your just trying to complain about something Cardinals related again..

The very first thing I said about Williams in this thread is "I still have high hopes for him".. Before I even started giving you stats on anything.. I said hopes..

okay, fine. i was wrong that there aren't a lot of undrafted FA who make the Pro-Bowl. let's move back to Williams, then and talk football?

Here's my question: Considering that Williams showed absolutely nothing on the field last year and the fact that historically the Cardinals almost never find an undrafted FA who amounts to anything, what exactly gives you high hopes for Williams?