Peter King thinks Boldin will be traded

[Ryanwb]

He won't be traded because I never bought his jersey

 

[Perfectionist]

Anyway we trade Boldin and our 2nd, for the #21 and #28 picks form the Eagles?

Take Knowshon/Wells at 21, Larry English/James Laurenitus at 28, and Hakeem Nicks/Percy Harvin at 31... Use the money and resign Dansby and extend Wilson...

And I am a VERY happy camper

Rookie receivers are rarely very productive, it usually takes almost 2 full seasons before they become productive. That is why Boldin would be attractive to a team like the Eagles that want to win now with McNabb.

It is for reasons like this that I would not be suprised if this happened.

 

[WildBB]

Rookie receivers are rarely very productive, it usually takes almost 2 full seasons before they become productive. That is why Boldin would be attractive to a team like the Eagles that want to win now with McNabb.

DeShaun Jackson didn't perform like a rookie. And he like Boldin was a mid 2nd rounder. The Eagles have two legit recievers, adding a talented 1st round rookie to that core wouldn't hurt them much and he'd be good to go by the time the playoffs hit. At least. I'll tell you , if I was Philly with this group coming out and I'm sitting pretty at 21 , I wouldn't hesitate to grab one. They also have multiple needs so don't be surprised if they hold off on Anquan. There won't be many offers IMO, legit offers.

 

[Perfectionist]

DeShaun Jackson didn't perform like a rookie. And he like Boldin was a mid 2nd rounder. The Eagles have two legit recievers, adding a talented rookie to that core wouldn't hurt them much and he'd be good to go by the time the playoffs hit. At least.

WildBB, there are exceptions to everything. The Eagles window is getting very short (if not already past) and McNabb wants to see signs that their FO wants to get it done now. This trade could be a plus for both teams (I just wish it could be with an AFC team). I think if something happens it just might be on draft day, leaving us all to just speculate.

 

[WildBB]

WildBB, there are exceptions to everything. The Eagles window is getting very short (if not already past) and McNabb wants to see signs that their FO wants to get it done now. This trade could be a plus for both teams (I just wish it could be with an AFC team). I think if something happens it just might be on draft day, leaving us all to just speculate.

That's all , it's just speculation and educated guesses. I finished editing the post right when you responded.

Philly has too many needs that need to be addressed going ahead. Franchises almost never only think of the present, even if they're making a serious run at a title which Philly is.

I think this Boldin saga is more a media hoopla over his contract dispute and a cat and mouse game between Philly and the NYG to make sure the other doesn't get the upper hand. Boldin on whichever team makes them the favorite for at least next year. After that the one that didn't flinch in the Boldin sweepstakes may be better off long term. There is always a price to pay for bringing in an all-star, or former all-star. It can bring some dissension for existing players wanting more of that fat salary he's sure to bring with him.
Less so it he stays on his existing team, because he helped establish success, whereas the next team already was successful.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Anyway we trade Boldin and our 2nd, for the #21 and #28 picks form the Eagles?

Take Knowshon/Wells at 21, Larry English/James Laurenitus at 28, and Hakeem Nicks/Percy Harvin at 31... Use the money and resign Dansby and extend Wilson...

And I am a VERY happy camper

Thats the first smart thing you have said in weeks

The only concern with that is that all three would be coming off of their rookie contract at the same time and I assume all would be good players putting us in a bind potentially.

Would still do that though.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think Peter King will regain all of the weight he lost last year, and then some.

 

[joeshmo]

The Eagles have two legit recievers,

Who is this 2nd legit reciever. The 33 receptions Hank Baskett, 33 recpetions Kevin Curtis, 32 receptions Jason Avant. They do not have two legit WR's. They have maybe one starter (and I say maybe because I am not ready to call 69 catches and 2 TD rookie season as a good starter, Mark Clayton says hello), and a 3 Jerheme Urbans.

 

[Pariah]

Who is this 2nd legit reciever. The 33 receptions Hank Baskett, 33 recpetions Kevin Curtis, 32 receptions Jason Avant. They do not have two legit WR's. They have maybe one starter (and I say maybe because I am not ready to call 69 catches and 2 TD rookie season as a good starter, Mark Clayton says hello), and a 3 Jerheme Urbans.

I'd say Curtis is a legit #2...but Jackson is only a borderline #1, IMO and may even be best suited in the slot. JMHO

 

[Totally_Red]

That's all , it's just speculation and educated guesses. I finished editing the post right when you responded.

Philly has too many needs that need to be addressed going ahead. Franchises almost never only think of the present, even if they're making a serious run at a title which Philly is.

I think this Boldin saga is more a media hoopla over his contract dispute and a cat and mouse game between Philly and the NYG to make sure the other doesn't get the upper hand. Boldin on whichever team makes them the favorite for at least next year. After that the one that didn't flinch in the Boldin sweepstakes may be better off long term. There is always a price to pay for bringing in an all-star, or former all-star. It can bring some dissension for existing players wanting more of that fat salary he's sure to bring with him.
Less so it he stays on his existing team, because he helped establish success, whereas the next team already was successful.

I think the Giants are waiting to see how the Plexico Burris situation shakes out. Apparently they would consider Braylon "Hands" Edwards if Plex ends up pounding rocks for a couple years.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Maybe so, but not for two 1st's. You could get a 1 and late 3rd. Or a mid second and late second, that's the best you can hope for, if that's what you want .

I agree Boldin straight up for 2 firsts is not going to happend...

BUT... a deal of Boldin and a 2nd for the #21 and #28 picks seems like it would make sense for both teams...

 

[AsUdUdE]

Thats the first smart thing you have said in weeks

The only concern with that is that all three would be coming off of their rookie contract at the same time and I assume all would be good players putting us in a bind potentially.

Would still do that though.

I will take that as a compliment sir!

 

[binkar]

I don't think you can replace him, with just another rookie, My biggest concern with Q is can he stay healthy? Even if he plays just 9-12 games he puts up numbers that puts him in the top ten. Bottem line many of you are probably right.

Take the money and the picks, sign Wilson and Dansby. Maybe even extend Dockett or Rolle.

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You are absolutely right. You aren't going to replace Quan period. But the question is if taking steps backwards at WR to takes steps forward at other positions of need makes the team better.

It obviously depends on what we end up getting for him and who is still left on the board at that pick.

But I am just growing tired of the talk altogether.

I know we wouldn't draft a WR with that pick but at this point I would be open to getting Percy Harvin (as the pick), a 3rd rounder, and not having to commit 10 million a year to Boldin. That said, I don't think we would need a WR and I wouldn't draft one.

I just think getting that extra first rounder and being able to draft a guy like Clay Matthews (who I want), Larry English, or another OLB, in addition to drafting Donald Brown makes us a better team when all is said and done. Then we would have a couple extra picks on top of that.

I am now all for trading Quan. I love Quan and think he is an incredible player, but we have proved that we can win big games without him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You are absolutely right. You aren't going to replace Quan period. But the question is if taking steps backwards at WR to takes steps forward at other positions of need makes the team better.

It obviously depends on what we end up getting for him and who is still left on the board at that pick.

But I am just growing tired of the talk altogether.

I know we wouldn't draft a WR with that pick but at this point I would be open to getting Percy Harvin (as the pick), a 3rd rounder, and not having to commit 10 million a year to Boldin. That said, I don't think we would need a WR and I wouldn't draft one.

I just think getting that extra first rounder and being able to draft a guy like Clay Matthews (who I want), Larry English, or another OLB, in addition to drafting Donald Brown makes us a better team when all is said and done. Then we would have a couple extra picks on top of that.

I am now all for trading Quan. I love Quan and think he is an incredible player, but we have proved that we can win big games without him.

Well, an OLB of quality will probably be available at 31 and we have the option of trading up in the second to nab a running back or sitting at #63 and picking up one there. So, in the end, we answer OLB and running back needs and keep Q.

It's fine to say that we've won big games without Q, but think of the W/O lineup if Fitz is out and Q is not there. Breaston, Urban and Doucet are not exactly going to sow fear in the league at this point.

 

[binkar]

Peter King, John Clayton, Chris Moretensen, and Kel Kiper have all now stated at different times that they feel Boldin won't be a Cardinal next year.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Peter King, John Clayton, Chris Moretensen, and Kel Kiper have all now stated at different times that they feel Boldin won't be a Cardinal next year.

.... and none of them have a vote...

 

[binkar]

Well, an OLB of quality will probably be available at 31 and we have the option of trading up in the second to nab a running back or sitting at #63 and picking up one there. So, in the end, we answer OLB and running back needs and keep Q.

It's fine to say that we've won big games without Q, but think of the W/O lineup if Fitz is out and Q is not there. Breaston, Urban and Doucet are not exactly going to sow fear in the league at this point.

Good point. That would put us in some serious trouble. That said, keeping depth in mind, you can't build a team on a fear on injuries. That said, you DO NOT get rid of Q unless you get a player in here who you feel will be a big boost to your running game in case Fitz ever does have to miss time for anything.

I love your scenario of staying at 31, keeping Q, and getting McCoy somehow. I still think McCoy has a chance to be a great back regardless of his jumping numbers.

A lot of this depends on what Drew and Quan do in the next few weeks. It will be interesting to see if they vocalize trade demands again or if they keep quiet.

 

[Mitch]

Peter King, John Clayton, Chris Moretensen, and Kel Kiper have all now stated at different times that they feel Boldin won't be a Cardinal next year.

Exactly...but...Kurt Warner wants Q to stay. End of story and speculation. Boldin is signed for two more years, whether he likes it or not. Q isn't going anywhere, just as Rod Graves has insisted time after time after time.

 

[Buckybird]

4

5, agree!!!

adding 2 defensive edge rushers will win the Cards a Super Bowl in the next 2 seasons.

 

[binkar]

Exactly...but...Kurt Warner wants Q to stay. End of story and speculation. Boldin is signed for two more years, whether he likes it or not. Q isn't going anywhere, just as Rod Graves has insisted time after time after time.

He has insisted it time after time after time after time because he has been asked about it time after time after time after time. Mitch you have watched professional sports long enough to know that what a GM says shouldn't be taken as fact or even truth a lot of the time. I am not saying these guys are right, but I don't put much stock into the fact that Graves has said he has no interest in trading Q. Graves is doing the smart thing by saying that, he has a lot more power in negotiations with other teams if he says that than if he said "yes we are interested in pursuing a trade".

Also, if the Cards get into negotiations with Drew and Quan, and there is a big gap in what the 2 sides view as Q's worth, the Cards may feel they are better off getting something out of Q then letting him walk in 2 seasons. If that was the case, the trade would obviously take place next off-season seeing as Quan is under contract another 2 years.

I am not saying Quan definitely will or won' be traded, I am simply saying I don't think Graves comments mean that much.

I put more stock in that Kurt really wants Boldin to stay, than I do that Graves says he will stay.

 

[Mitch]

He has insisted it time after time after time after time because he has been asked about it time after time after time after time. Mitch you have watched professional sports long enough to know that what a GM says shouldn't be taken as fact or even truth a lot of the time. I am not saying these guys are right, but I don't put much stock into the fact that Graves has said he has no interest in trading Q. Graves is doing the smart thing by saying that, he has a lot more power in negotiations with other teams if he says that than if he said "yes we are interested in pursuing a trade".

Also, if the Cards get into negotiations with Drew and Quan, and there is a big gap in what the 2 sides view as Q's worth, the Cards may feel they are better off getting something out of Q then letting him walk in 2 seasons. If that was the case, the trade would obviously take place next off-season seeing as Quan is under contract another 2 years.

I am not saying Quan definitely will or won' be traded, I am simply saying I don't think Graves comments mean that much.

I put more stock in that Kurt really wants Boldin to stay, than I do that Graves says he will stay.

Binkar...you are a great poster...you really are. The thing is in this situation, why break up an offense that basically dominated the regular season and the playoffs? Graves is right on this one: don't screw with success. Q made the Pro Bowl basically playing 3/4ths of the season. He's under contract and isn't going to sit out. He can't. Last year, despite his grumblings, proved that he plays just fine with a chip on his shoulder.

The fact that Warner understands this means that RG understands this.

 

[binkar]

Binkar...you are a great poster...you really are. The thing is in this situation, why break up an offense that basically dominated the regular season and the playoffs? Graves is right on this one: don't screw with success. Q made the Pro Bowl basically playing 3/4ths of the season. He's under contract and isn't going to sit out. He can't. Last year, despite his grumblings, proved that he plays just fine with a chip on his shoulder.

The fact that Warner understands this means that RG understands this.

I completely agree with everything in your post. I think that Boldin, when healthy is a top 5 receiver in the league and his style is a perfect contrast to Fitz. I deep down hope that we can work something out with Q and that he can stay healthy and happy. I just hope that something can be done before it all boils over.

I do have a few concerns about Q and his health, and how long he can remain productive with his physical style of play. I am not in anyway questioning the football player that Q is now.

When all is said and done I do think that Q will be a Cardinal. I mentioned the other day that my gut feeling was that we would be traded, and I still feel it is a possibility.

My position is this... If the front office isn't going to step up to the plate and give Q a new deal before his contract expires (and note that I am not at all a FO or Graves hater) then it is better to get something in return for him because he would undoubtedly walk if given the chance. Granted we have a lot of contracts that need to be addressed right now. I just think this situation is going to get worse before it gets better and that concerns me. If the FO isn't going to pay him what he want's then now is the time to get some value for him. That is why I am frustrated that his issue isn't being dealt with now so that we can gauge if the something can be worked out or if it's time to part ways.

I simply want the hatchet buried on the whole thing one way or the other.

 

[Cards Czar]

I completely agree with everything in your post. I think that Boldin, when healthy is a top 5 receiver in the league and his style is a perfect contrast to Fitz. I deep down hope that we can work something out with Q and that he can stay healthy and happy. I just hope that something can be done before it all boils over.

I do have a few concerns about Q and his health, and how long he can remain productive with his physical style of play. I am not in anyway questioning the football player that Q is now.

When all is said and done I do think that Q will be a Cardinal. I mentioned the other day that my gut feeling was that we would be traded, and I still feel it is a possibility.

My position is this... If the front office isn't going to step up to the plate and give Q a new deal before his contract expires (and note that I am not at all a FO or Graves hater) then it is better to get something in return for him because he would undoubtedly walk if given the chance. Granted we have a lot of contracts that need to be addressed right now. I just think this situation is going to get worse before it gets better and that concerns me. If the FO isn't going to pay him what he want's then now is the time to get some value for him. That is why I am frustrated that his issue isn't being dealt with now so that we can gauge if the something can be worked out or if it's time to part ways.

I simply want the hatchet buried on the whole thing one way or the other.

We the fans wont know until 1 minute until the 21st pick is called.

 

[WildBB]

My position is this... If the front office isn't going to step up to the plate and give Q a new deal before his contract expires (and note that I am not at all a FO or Graves hater) then it is better to get something in return for him because he would undoubtedly walk if given the chance.

They'll take their chances and deal with that in two years. Or Anquan and his agent can use good judgement and take a generous extension in the 8M per neighborhood w/ more guaranteed $$$$.

Either way we have another division title to win. And hopefully then some. Never say never, but the odds are he stays. Good odds.

 

[az jam]

We the fans wont know until 1 minute until the 21st pick is called.

That is the reality. We can post all the rumors which is fine but the bottom line will be the Eagles picks at the 21st and the 28th. If we get to our pick at #31 and nothing has happened than most likely Boldin will be here for the 2009 season.