PFW article on Kurt Warner

[Rasputin]

like it or not leinert is the future good or bad of this franchise, you can only learn so much holding a clip board, the kids been successful every where he goes he was a heisman trophy winner for god sakes...

You have a point. I mean, llok at the last 10 QBs to win the Heisman...

Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Danny Wuerffel
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow

Franchise players all.

The kid is a headcase. The cards would be better off trading him while someone in the NFL still thinks he's worth something. They should probabaly do the same with Edge (between Tim and J,R. we have two running backs who actually are the future). That gives us draft picks and cap room to sign someone who fits coach W.'s system.

Matt was Green's boy, his mistake. I'd rather have McCown back as a backup. And the job is Kurt's as long as he's healthy and willing. Resigning Kurt and taking care of Boldin are first priority. After that, Adrian and Dansby.

 

[Evil Ash]

You have a point. I mean, llok at the last 10 QBs to win the Heisman...

Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Danny Wuerffel
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow

Franchise players all.

The kid is a headcase. The cards would be better off trading him while someone in the NFL still thinks he's worth something. They should probabaly do the same with Edge (between Tim and J,R. we have two running backs who actually are the future). That gives us draft picks and cap room to sign someone who fits coach W.'s system.

Matt was Green's boy, his mistake. I'd rather have McCown back as a backup. And the job is Kurt's as long as he's healthy and willing. Resigning Kurt and taking care of Boldin are first priority. After that, Adrian and Dansby.

Wow. Welcome aboard but wow

Leinart's a headcase? Do you have anything to back up this assessment?

Warner is 37 and was still speaking about retirement in an interview with Mortenson BEFORE OUR LAST GAME. I'd like some sort of plan for the future and praying for a miracle ain't it.

 

[Rasputin]

Warner is 37 and was still speaking about retirement in an interview with Mortenson BEFORE OUR LAST GAME. I'd like some sort of plan for the future and praying for a miracle ain't it.

Because Mortenson brought the subject up? Obviously the first priority is to make sure Kurt wants to keep playing. If he does, pay him. And you've GOT to keep Q. Trading Matt while people actually want him is something (draft picks and cap room) for pretty much nothing (Leinart). I could care less about his college trophy, I'd rather have St. Pierre as backup until we find someone with long term potential. And heart. The last being what Kurt is all about, and Matt has yet to show. And I'd trade Edge as well, not because he hasn't got any game left (he does) but because he has value, and Tim and J.R. are the future.

But that's me. If you disagree, that's fine. If coach W. disagrees, I'm wrong.

BTW, is there a coach of the year thread in this place? I know who my pick is.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You have a point. I mean, llok at the last 10 QBs to win the Heisman...

Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Danny Wuerffel
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow

Franchise players all.

The kid is a headcase. The cards would be better off trading him while someone in the NFL still thinks he's worth something. They should probabaly do the same with Edge (between Tim and J,R. we have two running backs who actually are the future). That gives us draft picks and cap room to sign someone who fits coach W.'s system.

Matt was Green's boy, his mistake. I'd rather have McCown back as a backup. And the job is Kurt's as long as he's healthy and willing. Resigning Kurt and taking care of Boldin are first priority. After that, Adrian and Dansby.

I don't get why we assume that Wisenhunt isn't a Leinart fan and that he is just waiting for the first excuse to get rid of him. He was named the starter in the offseason for a reason. It just so happens that Kurt worked his butt off and is playing better then ever from a turnover perspective. Its not a shame that Leinart is backing up the MVP of the league.

All the headcase and party boy stuff is way overblown and if you listen to the people who matter - like the coaching staff and teammates - he is working hard to get better.

The Heisman stuff is not relevant. Matt is good because he is a winner and especially because he plays well when he has playmakers around him. Much like the Cardinals do.

Like you said - We will see what Wisenhunt does in the offseason.

 

[Skkorpion]

You have a point. I mean, llok at the last 10 QBs to win the Heisman...

Gino Torretta
Charlie Ward
Danny Wuerffel
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Carson Palmer
Jason White
Matt Leinart
Troy Smith
Tim Tebow

Franchise players all.

The kid is a headcase. The cards would be better off trading him while someone in the NFL still thinks he's worth something. They should probabaly do the same with Edge (between Tim and J,R. we have two running backs who actually are the future). That gives us draft picks and cap room to sign someone who fits coach W.'s system.

Matt was Green's boy, his mistake. I'd rather have McCown back as a backup. And the job is Kurt's as long as he's healthy and willing. Resigning Kurt and taking care of Boldin are first priority. After that, Adrian and Dansby.

Welcome to ASFN. I stated my position on Matt Leinart well over a year ago, have seen no reason to change it, so I usually stay completely out of these threads. Every now and then, some new poster prompts me to comment. You just did.

I believe Kurt Warner will be extended and having Matt Leinart behind him is a big reason why.

I cringe every time a camera shot of our sideline shows Leinart completely uninvolved with the game in progress. He's always alone. Joyless when we do well. Aloof.

On the larger picture, I have come to believe the triumvirate of Mike Bidwill, Rod Graves and Whisenhunt will keep the right combination of guys. That will likely play itself out in the offseason.

 

[Shane]

Welcome to ASFN. I stated my position on Matt Leinart well over a year ago, have seen no reason to change it, so I usually stay completely out of these threads. Every now and then, some new poster prompts me to comment. You just did.

I believe Kurt Warner will be extended and having Matt Leinart behind him is a big reason why.

I cringe every time a camera shot of our sideline shows Leinart completely uninvolved with the game in progress. He's always alone. Joyless when we do well. Aloof.

On the larger picture, I have come to believe the triumvirate of Mike Bidwill, Rod Graves and Whisenhunt will keep the right combination of guys. That will likely play itself out in the offseason.

Skkorp you need your glasses checked buddy. That is completely the opposite of the Leinart I have seen on the sideline.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Our coach said the competition at QB was close between Warner and Leinart.

do you believe everything coaches say? come on guys. Y'all know I was as big of a Warner-doubter/Leinart "hoper" (can't say believer because he's given me very little reason to believe at this point), but if anyone thinks we'd have anything close to the best offense in the league (which IS the only reason we're consistently winning ball games) and be 6-3 with Matt in there isn't thinking clearly IMO.

also, they didn't make the decision to trade Brett because they thought he was done. They traded him because he retired, they went forth with the entire off-season based around him being retired and then he threw a monkey wrench into the club making him bigger than them. Do you really think that if Brett had never retired they would have traded him after last year? No freaking way. The situation with us and the Pack ain't something that can be used while making a valid comparison.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am assuming that if they let Warner walk it is because, like Green Bay, they think the understudy is ready to go.

Keep in mind Farve took them to 13-3 and the NFC championship game and they STILL Let him walk. If you belive in the kid they maybe willing to think about the future on this one.

this is such a simplification of what happened in Green Bay that it's not even funny. Favre had become cancer in Green Bay. THAT's why they let him walk. Not because it was time for the kid.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

this is such a simplification of what happened in Green Bay that it's not even funny. Favre had become cancer in Green Bay. THAT's why they let him walk. Not because it was time for the kid.

I guess we will have to disagree. I feel like the move was precipitated by the fact that Rodgers was ready to take over and they were tiring of Farves cowboy ways and wishy washy offseason.

But they never "force him out" unless they are comfortable with the way Rodgers has been interacting with teammates and performing in practice.

 

[Evil Ash]

do you believe everything coaches say? come on guys. Y'all know I was as big of a Warner-doubter/Leinart "hoper" (can't say believer because he's given me very little reason to believe at this point), but if anyone thinks we'd have anything close to the best offense in the league (which IS the only reason we're consistently winning ball games) and be 6-3 with Matt in there isn't thinking clearly IMO.

I don't always trust what coaches say. However I do trust what I see with my eyes. I also trust what other writers that cover the team with regularity have to say and they said it was a close competition. It was day to day who was playing better

Besides the awful game against the Raiders where he tried to do the deep pass (which isn't his strength), he had a very good preseason. He was hitting with regularity on the short and intermediate passes that are what our offense is based off of. We don't throw the ball deep that often.

Yes, Warner is having a great year and I hope we bring him back. However, I'm not in favor of doing so if it costs us the future. Warner is 37 years old, has a long injury history, and is already speaking about retirement (even after Boldin recovered and before our last game). You think maybe just maybe we should think about what happens after he is gone especially since we don't know when that will be?

Getting rid of a young QB for the sake of signing an older one is just plain dumb to me.

also, they didn't make the decision to trade Brett because they thought he was done. They traded him because he retired, they went forth with the entire off-season based around him being retired and then he threw a monkey wrench into the club making him bigger than them. Do you really think that if Brett had never retired they would have traded him after last year? No freaking way. The situation with us and the Pack ain't something that can be used while making a valid comparison.

Its similar and its different. You're right about Favre just becoming a distraction and I don't think that Warner will do that here. However good organizations have a backup plan and thats why they stay up on top.

Getting rid of Leinart and hoping that a good QB falls to us in the draft isn't a backup plan. That's praying for a miracle.

I'd like this team to stay in playoff contention beyond just this year