Poter's "new system"

[BullDog]

Any comments on Porter's D'Antoni-esque 7 man rotation? And how about this whole idea of a running game and letting Nash use his talent?

Now we're stuck with a lesser coach in Porter who is figuring out that D'Antoni knew what he was doing and should have kept the job.

I don't blame D'Antoni for leaving. I blame Kerr for constantly trying to mix things up.

 

[dbUNIT16]

He played eight.. but yeah, I noticed that! I think he's played at least 9 in almost every game except when we only had 8 players available.

 

[BullDog]

He played eight.. but yeah, I noticed that! I think he's played at least 9 in almost every game except when we only had 8 players available.

Yeah, he played 8 if you add Amundson's 5 minutes. I don't exactly call that "cracking the rotation." Now that Diaw and Bell gone he's got 7 guys that he relies on for big minutes. So much for getting Nash a lot of rest during the season.

 

[Black Jesus]

we dont have a servicable backup PG... Dragic would struggle getting matchuped up against junior college players.

 

[scotsman13]

i dont know where you work but if my boss tells me to do something and i dont do it, i can count on getting fired. flat out D'Antoni may have a good idea of what to do on the offense end of the court but he is clueless on the defense and should have been fired. porter proves to be a better coach by being flexable for what is needed to get the team winning.

 

[BullDog]

i dont know where you work but if my boss tells me to do something and i dont do it, i can count on getting fired. flat out D'Antoni may have a good idea of what to do on the offense end of the court but he is clueless on the defense and should have been fired. porter proves to be a better coach by being flexable for what is needed to get the team winning.

If you played a major role in bringing some of the most success to your company, I think manangement would work with you and use your talents to have even more success. Just like a coach needs to coach to his player's abilities, management needs to manage to the coach's strengths instead of pushing him out so they can hire some unproven yes-man to do things his way. I would understand if D'Antoni was doing an awful job, or even if there was a proven coach on the market it. But, come-on, Porter is just what this team needs to keep winning? Come-on!

 

[AceP]

Give Porter a break! This is the second game after the trade, first with full lineup (with Shaq back). We need J.Rich to work together with the whole team to build chemistry. We lost 1 rotation player in the 3 for 2 trade.

Mike's Knicks is all for small ball, it is very bad idea to play Lopez. Amundson wasn't doing very well in his minutes. Shaq and Amare were hot and no sign of tired. No reason to sit them too much.

There is nothing to worry about!

 

[Covert Rain]

2 years ago 2nd round exit. Last year 1 round exit. This team was clearly headed in the wrong direction under D'Antoni. Also, there is a huge difference between D'Antonis system and what we are running now. Aside from the late games last season...D'Antoni ran small ball 99% of the time. That is not this system. We have an inside out game that Porter IMO uses much better then D'Antoni ever did. We use half court sets more then D'Antoni ever did.

Yes we are running more but with some huge exceptions. If anything I think if this keeps up, this solidifies that D'Antoni should have gone. Not the other way around. If we can play like this without D'Antoni, play better half court sets, better inside out and player better "D"????? Why would we still want him here again????

 

[Sunburn]

Give Porter a break! This is the second game after the trade, first with full lineup (with Shaq back). We need J.Rich to work together with the whole team to build chemistry. We lost 1 rotation player in the 3 for 2 trade.

Mike's Knicks is all for small ball, it is very bad idea to play Lopez. Amundson wasn't doing very well in his minutes. Shaq and Amare were hot and no sign of tired. No reason to sit them too much.

There is nothing to worry about!

Ummm did you actually watch Amundson play. This was probably the best we've ever seen him tonight.

 

[Sunburn]

2 years ago 2nd round exit. Last year 1 round exit. This team was clearly headed in the wrong direction under D'Antoni. Also, there is a huge difference between D'Antonis system and what we are running now. Aside from the late games last season...D'Antoni ran small ball 99% of the time. That is not this system. We have an inside out game that Porter IMO uses much better then D'Antoni ever did. We use half court sets more then D'Antoni ever did.

Yes we are running more but with some huge exceptions. If anything I think if this keeps up, this solidifies that D'Antoni should have gone. Not the other way around. If we can play like this without D'Antoni, play better half court sets, better inside out and player better "D"????? Why would we still want him here again????

Did you see how competitive the game was even with the huge gap in talent between teams? Have you noticed that DA has already got New York half the wins it had all last season with less to work with? How bout cuz DA is a winner. And don't even think about coming back with "How is he a winner? We lost in the first round last year?" Give me a break. Not everyone can win the championship every year. Jerry Sloan up until recently hasn't been able to do anything in the playoffs. Does that make him not a winner or an outstanding coach? DA got us to the western conference finals 2 out of 4 years. Don't kid yourselves. That was DA. He's a brilliant coach. He's proving it with what he's doing in New York with the roster he's been given.

 

[jagu]

This game was close because of Nate Robinson and because no one cared to guard him. Otherwise it would have been a blowout. IMO this game wasn't as tense at all. I knew we had it won. They can't stop us.

 

[jagu]

Porters new system is basically letting Nash run and do what he wants. It works, less turnovers!

 

[French Fries]

Did you see how competitive the game was even with the huge gap in talent between teams?

what about the sixers-lakers? are you saying that maurice cheeks is a brilliant coach (he got fired by the way)

Have you noticed that DA has already got New York half the wins it had all last season with less to work with? How bout cuz DA is a winner. And don't even think about coming back with "How is he a winner?

like 29 other coaches, he's not a winner. they're just losers with style. he's got a good system, just too stubborn to improve it. and thinking that your system is perfect might as well be the big reason you won't win

We lost in the first round last year?" Give me a break. Not everyone can win the championship every year. Jerry Sloan up until recently hasn't been able to do anything in the playoffs. Does that make him not a winner or an outstanding coach?

no matter how good the coach is, if you don't have the pieces, that doesn't help much (and no, i don't think jerry sloan is great either)

DA got us to the western conference finals 2 out of 4 years. Don't kid yourselves. That was DA. He's a brilliant coach. He's proving it with what he's doing in New York with the roster he's been given.

and avery got to the finals (booyah). flip saunders made it to conference finals twice (or thrice, i forgot). but with the garbage team he's been given, i do give DA credit for the impressive 11-13 record for a rebuilding team...

i just wanted to answer your post, i don't really disagree. it's just that i don't see how whining on something that's already done could help this CURRENT team. DA may be great but he's not here anymore...

it might be better for some people to support NY instead where the 7 sec or less still lives. i know we're here in this board to discuss these kinds of things but it's seriously getting old...

end of rant, peace!!!

 

[Covert Rain]

Did you see how competitive the game was even with the huge gap in talent between teams?

I would argue with the exception of about 5 teams, most teams in the NBA are "competitive". It's the NBA. There is a reason almost every team can win on any given night.

Have you noticed that DA has already got New York half the wins it had all last season with less to work with? How bout cuz DA is a winner. And don't even think about coming back with "How is he a winner? We lost in the first round last year?" Give me a break.

Your right because 2 consecutive early playoffs exits means nothing right? Losing your team means nothing right? Getting out coached in the playoffs means nothing right? Your right my expectations of winning a title for a franchise that has never won one is asking WAY TOO MUCH. I should just be satisfied with exciting small ball and just put my wishes of title aside. What was I thinking?

Not everyone can win the championship every year. Jerry Sloan up until recently hasn't been able to do anything in the playoffs. Does that make him not a winner or an outstanding coach? DA got us to the western conference finals 2 out of 4 years. Don't kid yourselves. That was DA. He's a brilliant coach. He's proving it with what he's doing in New York with the roster he's been given.

Your right not everyone can win a title every single year. In fact, D'Antoni can't win one any year. There is a difference between good coaches and great coaches. Good coaches win lots of games and get into the playoffs. Great coaches win titles. I always thought Mike was a good coach. So let me be the first to congratulate NY fans on getting a coach who will win lots of regular season games, look exciting and not get a title.

Wow. Really with this?

 

[DarlinG]

If you played a major role in bringing some of the most success to your company, I think manangement would work with you and use your talents to have even more success. Just like a coach needs to coach to his player's abilities, management needs to manage to the coach's strengths instead of pushing him out so they can hire some unproven yes-man to do things his way. I would understand if D'Antoni was doing an awful job, or even if there was a proven coach on the market it. But, come-on, Porter is just what this team needs to keep winning? Come-on!

Not true. Look at Jerry Sloan. When AK was in bad relation with Jerry Sloan few years ago, the owner of the Jazz talked to AK and advised Jerry Sloan to use him more. And Jerry Sloan accepted the owner's advice. Jerry Sloan is much more successful coach than D'antoni, for sure. Even he is listening to his boss.

I like what D'antoni did to the Suns, but that does not mean he should not listen to others. That does not mean D'antoni was always right.

 

[Irish]

Any comments on Porter's D'Antoni-esque 7 man rotation? And how about this whole idea of a running game and letting Nash use his talent?

Now we're stuck with a lesser coach in Porter who is figuring out that D'Antoni knew what he was doing and should have kept the job.

I don't blame D'Antoni for leaving. I blame Kerr for constantly trying to mix things up.

Did you ever see Porter as a player in Portland? The Blazers are retiring his jersey this week He played 10 years with the Blazers and is their all time assist leader. He lead some terrific offensive teams:

89-90 114.2 ppg 59 wins lost in Finals 9.1 apg
90-91 114.7 ppg 63 wins lost in WCF 8.0 apg
91-92 111.4 ppg 57 wins lost in Finals 5.8 apg

In 91 Clyde Drexler led te team in assiss at 6.7 apg,

 

[Skumbag]

Players liked playing for D'antoni...
Players dislike playing for Porter.

D'antoni last night looked like the only coach out there. Porter sat on the bench the entire game. I think I saw him once. Just tries to blend in with the crowd. Sad to watch.

 

[Covert Rain]

Players liked playing for D'antoni...
Players dislike playing for Porter.

D'antoni last night looked like the only coach out there. Porter sat on the bench the entire game. I think I saw him once. Just tries to blend in with the crowd. Sad to watch.

Totally disagree. Did you see Porter between plays and timeouts? He looked pretty animated to me..especially when guys messed up. Also, during the timeouts he took plenty of opportunity to yell at the refs a few times. Besides, D'Antoni looked more like he was whining to refs then coaching at times.

The one thing I did notice is that D'Antoni seemed to be calling out more plays then he ever did with the Suns. D'Antoni admitted that often he let Nash just run the offense and didn't call very many plays. That doesn't seem to be the case with NY. So, his "extra" coaching to me appears to come out of neccesity and the fact he doesn't have Nash to run things anymore.

 

[Skumbag]

I was at the game.... mayhaps they zoomed in on him on tv but he didn't look like he was doing squat from where I was.

 

[Cheesebeef]

DA looked exactly like he did when he was here - a whiny little bitch. Even Eddie Johnson called him out on it several times.

dude doesn't have the composure of an elite coach. he's got entitlement issues.

 

[nowagimp]

I was at the game.... mayhaps they zoomed in on him on tv but he didn't look like he was doing squat from where I was.

He's being the anti DA, so all those whiny fans who complained of DA ranting wont complain to Kerr and sarver about his behavior. Poor Porter, he looks like a man under manipulation or at least instruction on what to do. Kerr gets to have his cake and eat it too. When the crap hits the fan, he can just fire Porter, who is just doing his and sarvers bidding anyway.

 

[nashman]

The problem is I don't think the vets on this team have much if any respect for Porter, what has he ver really done to deserve it? The players loved Mike and still do its not going to change, and most of them feel like they could have won it if Kerr didn't break up the team. I think we had a very good shot at winning it before the suspensions and think most of the players on that team did as well. We still don't have the personell to play good defense and they know it hence going back to the running game. Porter is simply Kerrs puppet in my mind, I don't respect his HC abilitys because frankly he doesn't deserve it yet. Mike was one of the best coaches the Suns have ever had and brought the funnest type of ball the league has seen in many years, he will always be loved for it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...slug=jy-sunsdantoni121608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

"Among some of these Suns, D’Antoni was gone before he left. His deteriorating relationship with the team’s general manager, Steve Kerr, had consumed him, drained him of his spirit. After the Suns lost the first three games of their opening-round playoff series with the San Antonio Spurs, the loathed rival they could never get past, D’Antoni gathered the team for what could be its final practice.


“Well, guys,” D’Antoni said, according to a witness, “we basically need a miracle.”

Some of the players were stunned. This is how he prepared them for an elimination game? A miracle? Even D’Antoni had stopped believing. Deep down, he knew these Suns had become a mirage in the desert."

jesus - screw this guy. What kind of coach comes in before a must game and starts a practice with that crap?

The Suns made a bad decision in the Porter hire, but kicking Pringles McCrybaby to curb wasn't.

 

[mojorizen7]

Players liked playing for D'antoni...
Players dislike playing for Porter.

D'antoni last night looked like the only coach out there. Porter sat on the bench the entire game. I think I saw him once. Just tries to blend in with the crowd. Sad to watch.

Of course they do. Does that make him a better coach than the next guy? No.
Its a fun style to play
Run,take any & every open shot you get regardless of score and/or the situation.
Don't worry about guarding anybody or rebounding(you know....the hard work).
If i was an NBA player i'd want to play for DA too. In my day i was very fast & could stroke it from anywhere. My "D" wasn't very good but i could jump thru the roof so i got alot of rebounds for a little guy. Mike woulda loved me

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Of course they do. Does that make him a better coach than the next guy? No.
Its a fun style to play
Run,take any & every open shot you get regardless of score and/or the situation.
Don't worry about guarding anybody or rebounding(you know....the hard work).
If i was an NBA player i'd want to play for DA too. In my day i was very fast & could stroke it from anywhere. My "D" wasn't very good but i could jump thru the roof so i got alot of rebounds for a little guy. Mike woulda loved me

heh...heh...