Pre-Camp: YOUR Picks for the Cardinals' Starters, 53 Man Roster and PS

Mitch

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I am very interested in reading yours and your explanations because I think this is going to be a very difficult roster to figure out.

Here are my choices----AS IN WHO I WANT, NOT WHAT I THINK THE CARDINALS WILL DO---SAME FOr YOU---- (starters in CAPS):

QB (3): 19-SKELTON; 4-Kolb, 14-Lindley.

The QB who generated the turnaround and winning momentum last year was Skelton---so imo the best way to build on and maintain that momentum is to stick with the guy who brought you a 6-2 record down the stretch.

I worry about Kolb's health, largely because he lacks a 6th sense of how to feel pressure and how to avoid it. He freezes too much at times and he runs away from it too early at times.

I choose Lindley over Bartel because I believe he would be a better scout team QB, because of his strong arm. I also believe that with good coaching he can be a factor if need be in a couple of years.

RB (3): 34-WILLIAMS; 36-Stephens-Howling; 26-Wells.

Li'l Sweetness gets the nod for me, as he is more versatile and potentially dynamic in the passing game and he is quicker to the hole than Wells.

I am hoping that Hyphen gets many more snaps this year because this could be a real breakout year on offense for him, provided he can stay healthy.

Wells becomes the short yardage and goal-line RB, which may enable him to stay healthy all year.

FB (1): 35-SHERMAN.

I would like to see Sherman used as a single back blocker and receiving threat in the passing game.

Curious to see if Jared Crank (Purdue) is worthy of a PS spot.

TE (3): 87-KING; 86-Heap; 85-Housler.


I think all three can have very good years and that we will start to see how special Housler is.

It makes no sense to me to continue to keep 4 TEs. If the last roster spot came down to Jim Dray or CB Michael Adams, there is no question I'd want to keep Adams for his ST prowess.

T (4): 75-BROWN; 70-MASSIE; 73-Bridges; 76-Potter.


I am ready to go with Massie at RT---he's clearly the best athlete for the job and his experience in the SEC in a passing offense has prepared him well.

I give the nod to Bridges right now, but I am anxious to see if my instincts about D'Anthony Batiste are correct.

I do not want to expose Nate Potter to waivers, but I would like to keep D.J. Young on the PS another year.

G (4): 71-COLLEDGE; 68-SNYDER, 64-Kelemete, 74-Batiste.

What's so great roster-wise about Bridges, Kelemete and Batsite is that they all can play guard and tackle.

I am also very interested in seeing Chris Thomas---he might surprise enough to

C (1): 63-SENDLEIN.

I would like to see if we can keep Ryan Bartholomew on the PS another year. Adam Snyder becomes the center if need be.

WR (5): 11-FITZGERALD; 15-FLOYD; 85-Doucet, 12Roberts, 18-S. Williams.

I think Stephen Williams is finally going to break out and be a big catch performer in games.

I am tempted to keep 6, but no one as yet jumps out at me just yet---the one I am very curious about is slot WR Jaymar Johnson because of his speed and quickness.

NT (2): 92-WILLIAMS; 69-Cohen.

David Carter will play some here too, but Carter was at his best last year as a rotation DE and that's where I'd like to see him play the most snaps.

Cohen is solid.

DE (4): 90-DOCKETT; 93-CAMPBELL; 79-Carter, 98-Eason;

What an active group this is!

ILB (4): 51-LENON; 58-WASHINGTON; 55-Bradley; 56-Walker.

I think that Bradley might win the starting job, but for now I list Lenon.

Two young UCFA's who may surprise here are Colin Parker and Marcus McGraw as may last year's 6th rounder, Quan Sturdivant---so Reggie Walker has to be on his game to stick.

OLB (5): 94-ACHO; 50-SCHOFIELD; 54-Groves; 59-B. Williams; 43-Nash.


Groves, Williams and Nash will be a situational rushers---and Nash will be a standout on STs.

CB (6): 21-PETERSON; 28-TOLER; 23-Gay, 20-Jefferson, 22-Butler; 29-Flemming.

I think Jefferson will be vastly improved and may keep the starting RCB position---but that Toler will be a little more of a ballhawker.

Gay and Butler play Marshall's role as nickel CB and S.

Flemming will be pushing for lots of playing time.

Still trying to find a way to keep Mike Adams, but not seeing it right now. I might keep him and keep only 4 OLBers---and I am not convinced that the young DBs would be nearly as good on STs as Adams.

The unsung player to keep an eye on here is UCFA Larry Parker---he is going to turn some heads---and hopefully will make it through waivers onto the PS.

I found it very interesting that the Colts hopped on Korey Lindsay---they have first dibs on waiver claims and the Colts jumped on him. I think teams are keeping a very close eye on our DB depth.

S (4): 24-WILSON; 25-RHODES; 49-Johnson, 39-Sanders.


I am hoping that both Wilson and Rhodes are so on board with the coaching this year that they have fantastic seasons. Johnson and Sanders are solid---and if I am correct, Johnson will be starting at some point this year, possibly even from the get-go.

I don't want to waive Justin Bethel, but I am not sure he is strong enough physically yet to be a factor. The hope is he passes through waivers. In a year or two he could be very good.

The other young guy I am very curious to see is Eddie Elder---I think he's got the right talent and hunger for the position.

ST (3): 3-Feely; 1-Schmitt; 82-Leach.


I think that Ricky Schmitt will win the punting job---he's got the big leg, is very good at directional punting, and he can be used on kickoffs to routinely kick the ball to the back of the end zone.

PS (8): 67-Young (T); 62-Bartholmew (C); 13-Arukwe (WR); 44-Skelton (TE); 41-Parker (LB); 46-Binns (LB); 97-Parker (CB); 31-Bethel (S).

This was challenging---but, what's very interesting is to see how the camp and pre-season games will give us a better sense of who is going to make it.
 

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QB:Skelton

RB: Wells - Williams will not be up to being the #1 RB. Hes still at least a year away from being the workhorse he once was. He'll get touches here and there.

FB: Sherman

WR: Larry, Floyd, Roberts

TE: King, Housler

LT: Levi

G: Snyder, Colledge

C: Sendlein

RT: Massie

S: Adrian, Rhodes

CB: PP, Toler, Fleming, Gay

LB: OBS, Stewart, Washington, Acho

DL: CC, Dan/Carter, Dockett
 

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No real issue with your starters, although I see Wells as our day one starting RB. Believe, however, that $$$ Mike and Sampson make it on their ability to play special teams and they add Haggans to the OLB mix.
 

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I agree with Bodha. Don't think Williams will be ready to really contribute until at least the last half of the season. Other than that I'm in with the rest of your starters with the possible exception of Toler and Gay. That could easily go either way.
 

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Mitch I counted the players but you only have 52 on the team. Who should you add? an RB, WR or S.
 

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Agree for most part. Wells will not be a short yardage specialist. He will be our starting RB. If Jefferson starts at corner we are in trouble.
 

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I fail to see the logic in benching Beanie Wells, who's coming off a season where he amassed 1000+ yard season, 10 TDs, and 4.6 YPC, for a de facto rookie coming off of major knee surgery and has played a total 2 1/2 quarters of preseason ball (Williams), and a small scat back (LSH).

I know you don't like Wells, Mitch. You had us trading him last season. But it's hard to reject the fact that he was our best running back last season, while playing on a bum knee for the last 14 games.
 

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good list. But I would change some things. If we're talking about for game 1, that is...

Kolb > Skelton. Skelton may pass him in the off/pre-season, but I doubt it. It'll take until a few games into the year for Kolb to get hurt again and give the job away

Beanie > Williams. Beanie is coming off his best year, knows the team and plays better, and Williams probably wont be ready week 1 regardless

Jefferson > Toler. While I think Toler is the better CB, Jefferson is the only one on the roster that played in this D last year. Should be interesting to see the battle for #2 CB

Bethel will be on the roster for sure
 

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good list. But I would change some things. If we're talking about for game 1, that is...

Kolb > Skelton. Skelton may pass him in the off/pre-season, but I doubt it. It'll take until a few games into the year for Kolb to get hurt again and give the job away

Beanie > Williams. Beanie is coming off his best year, knows the team and plays better, and Williams probably wont be ready week 1 regardless

Jefferson > Toler. While I think Toler is the better CB, Jefferson is the only one on the roster that played in this D last year. Should be interesting to see the battle for #2 CB

Bethel will be on the roster for sure

Jefferson was really really bad. If he starts off as the #2 corner then I will be very worried about the quality of the guys behind him. I think that Jefferson will be battling with Adams to even get a roster spot.
 

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Jefferson was really really bad. If he starts off as the #2 corner then I will be very worried about the quality of the guys behind him. I think that Jefferson will be battling with Adams to even get a roster spot.
I agree. I wouldn't be mad if he wasn't around next year, but I think as of now, it's his job to lose. We already know Gay and Toler are better than Jefferson, so I'm not worried about that
 

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I also counted 52 players. A couple of things:
1. With our injury history at RB and TE, I think we have to add a player at each position.
2. If we go with six CB's, I'm guessing Money Mike over Butler or AJ. And if we have only five CB's then I see MM over Butler AND AJ.

Bottom line, I'm guessing, 26 on offense and 24 on defense, but would like a dollar for every one you get right, and would pay five dollars for every one you get wrong. (Editor's Note. This is subject to change with TC results.)
 

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Starters on top:

EDIT: I would be surprised after putting it in print that Vonnie Holliday does not come back.

QB:
Skelton
Kolb
Lindley

RB:
Wells
Williams
LSH
Smith

FB:
Sherman
Webb

TE:
King
Heap
Housler

WR:
Fitz
Floyd
Roberts
Doucet
I.Williams

LT:
Brown
Potter

LG:
Colledge
Kelemete

OC:
Sendlein
Bartholomew

RG:
Snyder

RT:
Bridges
Massie


DE:
Dockett
Eason

DE:
Campbell
Holliday

NT:
Williams
Carter

OLB:
Acho
Groves

OLB:
Haggans
Schofield

SILB:
Lenon
Bradley
Paul Vassallo

WILB:
Washington
Walker

CB:
Peterson
Toler
Gay
Flemming

FS:
Rhodes
Sanders
Bethel

SS:
Wilson
Johnson

K:
Feely

P:
Zastudil

LS:
Leach

PS:
Steve Young
Earl Campbell
Steve Largent
Walter Jones
Reggie White
Derrick Thomas
Darrell Green
Ronnie Lott
 
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Interesting Practice squad. Geritol gang? :D

I was thinking reincarnation.

The Cardinals practice squad is something that I am always proud of at the end of the preseason.

They do a great job of scouting the preseason, IMO, but picking the practice squad is almost impossible. You have to take into account the 1,184 players that will be cut off of each 90 man roster to get down to the final 53 of every team, then of the 1,184 cut players, find out which ones the Caridnals would like. Oh yeah, and figure out the final 53 of each team to deteremine who each team will cut or keep Impossible.

But, the Cardinals do it every preseason, and do it throroughly and well, IMO.

I believe Ryan Batholomew was cut by the Jets last preason, and that is when the Cardinals snagged him.....off to Rotoworld to check.

EDIT: He was signed as a UDFA by the Ravens and cut when the Ravens had to get down to 53 players.
 
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OLB:
Haggans
Schofield

Has anyone heard any more on Haggans and the Cardinals? One report a couple of days ago claimed the team "is expected to re-sign Haggans in the next few weeks."

I haven't seen anything else.
 

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I fail to see the logic in benching Beanie Wells, who's coming off a season where he amassed 1000+ yard season, 10 TDs, and 4.6 YPC, for a de facto rookie coming off of major knee surgery and has played a total 2 1/2 quarters of preseason ball (Williams), and a small scat back (LSH).

I know you don't like Wells, Mitch. You had us trading him last season. But it's hard to reject the fact that he was our best running back last season, while playing on a bum knee for the last 14 games.

He was the Cardinals MVP last year IMO and a big reason for their turnaround on field. I think being able to play hurt sent a message to his teammates and at the same time did enormous amounts for his confidence. The Cardinals should have one of the better rushing attacks in the NFL this year.
 

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He was the Cardinals MVP last year IMO and a big reason for their turnaround on field. I think being able to play hurt sent a message to his teammates and at the same time did enormous amounts for his confidence. The Cardinals should have one of the better rushing attacks in the NFL this year.

Agreed.

Its seems to me, what cause Wells to improve was his mindset. He is a power back, and he finally started to run like one last year.

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Loved that run; Wells just totally trucked that DB! When that happens to a player, I don't care who they are, they will be just a bit hesitant to stick it in there the next time. And that little bit of hesitation is all that is needed...
 
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Jefferson was really really bad. If he starts off as the #2 corner then I will be very worried about the quality of the guys behind him. I think that Jefferson will be battling with Adams to even get a roster spot.

The writing has been on the wall for years that Adams' roster spot is in jeopardy and the signing of Gay who has primarily defended the slot and the drafting of Fleming a supposedspecials ace candidate are evidence that Adams is in for a fight.
 

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It makes no sense to me to continue to keep 4 TEs. If the last roster spot came down to Jim Dray or CB Michael Adams, there is no question I'd want to keep Adams for his ST prowess.

The prowess that Adams has in the coverage units Dray is without a doubt is his equal in the return units.

He is also a decent FB on occasion, in some packages and spot duty for Sherman last year.

With the injury history of mostly Heap, a little bit of an injury history with Housler, and now King on crutches, I see no reason why they wouldn't keep 4 TE's going on their second year in a row.
 

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2 guys that I think will be on the roster for that people are overlooking are Jim Dray and DeMarco Sampson. Fitz raved about Sampson last year and he saw some PT early on. Here's my 53:

QB: Kolb, Skelton, Lindley
RB: Wells, Williams, LSH, Smith
FB: Sherman
WR: Fitz, Floyd, Roberts, Doucet, Sampson, Williams
TE: King, Housler, Heap, Dray
OL: Brown, Colledge, Sendlein, Snyder, Massie, Bridges, Kelemete, Batiste

DL: Dockett, Campbell, Williams, Eason, Carter, Talley
LB: Acho, Lenon, Washington, Schofield, Bradley, Groves, Williams, Sturdivant
CB: Peterson, Toler, Gay, Fleming, Jefferson
S: Wilson, Rhodes, Johnson, Sanders, Bethel(swing cb/s)
K: Feely
P: Zastudil
LS: Leach

PS: McGraw(ILB), Young(OT), DeChristopher(OG), Johnson(WR), Potter(OT), Binns(OLB), Bartholomew(C).
 

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The prowess that Adams has in the coverage units Dray is without a doubt is his equal in the return units.

He is also a decent FB on occasion, in some packages and spot duty for Sherman last year.

With the injury history of mostly Heap, a little bit of an injury history with Housler, and now King on crutches, I see no reason why they wouldn't keep 4 TE's going on their second year in a row.

Speaking of TE's I wonder what the Cards reasoning was in bringing in Martell Webb? A big blocking TE. Doesn't look like he has any value as a receiver and not really fast enough for special teams work. But then his listed 40 time isn't much different than Dray's so I don't know.
 

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Speaking of TE's I wonder what the Cards reasoning was in bringing in Martell Webb? A big blocking TE. Doesn't look like he has any value as a receiver and not really fast enough for special teams work. But then his listed 40 time isn't much different than Dray's so I don't know.

If you're going to run more 2 TE sets, you need to practice them in camp? We have Skelton's brother to play the Heap/Housler role with the 3rd team, maybe we needed a body to play the King/Dray role with them?
 

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If you're going to run more 2 TE sets, you need to practice them in camp? We have Skelton's brother to play the Heap/Housler role with the 3rd team, maybe we needed a body to play the King/Dray role with them?

That makes sense.

At 276lbs, Martell Webb can do the job, and he is in camp
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Yeah, Webb is 15-20lbs heavier than King and Dray. Did you know that the Cards have 21 guys on the roster right now listed at 300lbs or more. TWENTY-ONE! Where do they find all these guys?
 

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