Preseason week 1 Cowboys @ Cardinals Pregame thread 8-9 thru 8-13, 2021

[QuebecCard]

Cardinals made some solid offseason acquisitions IMO.

Matt Prater is Matt Prater and he adds at least one win and/or avoids one loss.

Marco Wilson has a chance to turn into a draft steal by Keim.

But Rondale Moore and Zaven Collins have looked better than any first two draft picks of the Cardinals in my recent Cardinal memory.

Obviously the offensive line has a long, long way to go. That was ugly. Maybe it partially explains Murray's absence

Yes. Moore, Benjamin, PRATER.
No. Streveler, any 3rd and 4th string linemen. Wolfley for anymore than 10 minutes.

Hadn't heard Wolfley in years and his schtick was old, tired, and pointless then.

 

[Shaggy]

I missed the 4th quarter and I am watching the higlights now. Streveler made several accurate passes with 0 time to throw. No idea way members here are saying he is inaccurate.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Exactly. They should have had Hundly out there rather then Streveler, but the Oline gave Streveler no chance to do much of anything. Honestly, last nights oline play was similar to that Rams game. Also, the play calling for Streveler was all bad. KK never changed it to suit Streveler and that hurt the team as well.

How should he change it? Streveler needs to make traditional NFL plays.

Streveler is a limited QB.

 

[Shaggy]

How should he change it? Streveler needs to make traditional NFL plays.

Streveler is a limited QB.

I agree, but the plan calling was pretty bad. He should've called more QB runs for him, shorter/quicker passes as he had no time to throw must of the game. He needed to change it up for the new QB and he didn't.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I agree, but the plan calling was pretty bad. He should've called more QB runs for him, shorter/quicker passes as he had no time to throw must of the game. He needed to change it up for the new QB and he didn't.

It's really hard to evaluate playcalling during the preseason.

 

[Hoodhero]

Streveler had his chance to be a hero last season & got outplayed by John Wolford. Most of the casual fanbase ain't ever going to forgive him after the debacle against the Rams.

 

[perivolaki]

Good:

Zaven Collins - played pretty physical and fast. Looks like the Cardinals have a good one.

Moore - looks like a legit weapon out there. They used him exactly how I though they would. He is going to break some of those plays as the season goes on.

Wilson - looked the part. Had a few PBUs and broke on the ball. Game doesn't look too big for him.

Gowan - stayed with his man and had a few good plays, but he needs to learn to look back for the ball. Looks like a future back up.

Eno - looked like the player who set ASUs single season rushing record. He looks like he can contribute on special teams and be a quite back up.

Colt McCoy - looked as good as any backup QB the Cardinals have had in a while. He seemed to have a command of the offense. I have confidence in him.

Bad:

Streveler - Granted he was playing with the third string OL most of the night, but he just isn't a good enough passer. I would like to see him get extended reps with the first team line.

Josh Miles - holy moly he got beat like a drum. If he is the top backup to DJ Humphries, that's a big problem.

5th string DL - more of a dig at posters on talking about how bad the DL looked. Of course its going to be bad when Watt, Lawrence, Philips, Allen, Peters, and Fotu were all out. The Cardinals played recent pickups for most of the night and the Cowboys actually didn't run the ball that well.

Jace Whittaker - slow and small. I dont see an NFL player here, but thats ok because he has virtually no shot.

OL depth - outside of the first team OL, the rest of the OLs looked like trash. Lots of easy pressure and inconsistent.

Ugly:

Penalties: that one stretch where there were like 3 penalties nearly in a row is quintessential 2020 Cardinals. They have to clean that mess up.

We have to remember that Gowan sat out the 2020 season for Covid to protect his infant daughter. We may want to give him a longer leash till he gets back up to speed.

 

[BritCard]

My takes:

The good:
Collins looked better than Simmons by a country mile. I'm hoping that Vance is just keeping IS's role very vanilla right now.

Enoooooo! Happy to see the kid on the ST unit.

Rondale was all that and a bag of Red Vines. Man I can't wait to see him in some open space when the turf is NFL quality.

Marco looked like he belonged. Still work to do though.

Prater...... Man...... I think I found my Fantasy Football kicker.

The bad
Streveler is not an NFL QB. I read some excuses for him but I would much rather see a developmental QB that can pass more effectively. Streveler is a beer-league Taysom Hill wannabe. Just not NFL quality. At all.

Tay Gowan got lucky a couple of times and looked like he may not be athletic enough. It's just one game though.

Golden still can't keep contain. haha. I just laugh now when it happens.

The insanely ugly:
I understand why Bidwill took the Cards out of Flagstaff. A top 5 NFL training camp site. But our turf is an embarrassment and could have gotten players hurt last night. We shouldn't practice on the field our games are played on. period.

Our O-Line was bad tonight. Miles was atrocious. Beechum was bad too. RT is not in a good place.

Oh yeah I meant to mention the turf. I don't recall it ever looking that bad. I don't get why it was like that even with practice.

 

[DVontel]

Reddick only signed for $6mil to boot.

God I hope Gardeck heals up quickly.

 

[Goodyear Card]

Cardinals whose stock rose and fell in preseason opener

These players either helped or hurt their cases to make the final roster.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Shaggy]

It's really hard to evaluate playcalling during the preseason.

I meant for the Rams game last season.

 

[JeffGollin]

Buchanon and Ward should do quite well in backup roles.

Front liners played tougher than last year jand held their own one on one. But 2nd and 3rd stringers lost most of those contests.

Not happy about those OL penalties early in the game.

Too many players were held out of action, making it hard to track position battles.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The way Eno looked last night you have to wonder whether he should have played last year or if he has really improved that much.

 

[QuebecCard]

Defensive snaps:

Cardinals’ defensive snaps counts in preseason opener vs. Cowboys

The Cardinals played 73 defensive snaps against the Dallas Cowboys. Check out the playing time for each player.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Why is Simmons still not filling the correct hole or having an impact?

I thought part of his hype was that he was a quick learner?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Why is Simmons still not filling the correct hole or having an impact?

I thought part of his hype was that he was a quick learner?

All LBs are going to guess wrong at times.

I want to see more than 14 snaps to make a judgement.

 

[Absolute Zero]

The way Eno looked last night you have to wonder whether he should have played last year or if he has really improved that much.

Let's see if he can string a few of these performances together.

 

[Vacard]

Watching the highlights and I really hope that wasn’t our first team o-linemen led by our new center Hudson getting blown up and having McCoy with defenders in his face all night

 

[Garthshort]

Going into the game, I read a lot about the Cardinals being heavily penalized, a good indication of poor coaching. In our FIRST game we came away with 5 for 35 (compared to 8 for 50). Considering that most of the game was played by backups, I guess the coaching is much improved. Or, at least it was last night.

 

[Harry]

I missed the 4th quarter and I am watching the higlights now. Streveler made several accurate passes with 0 time to throw. No idea way members here are saying he is inaccurate.

He was fine on short throws but on longer stuff was poor and he never moved safeties.

 

[AZfaninMN]

As far as getting off the field on D, Vance did try a few risky coverage schemes and blitzes in big moments.

During the game it was funny the consternation directed against the defensive front. The vast majority of DL snaps were played by camp bodies last night. The only guy out there with a shot to make the roster or probably even practice squad was Michael Dogbe and he made a few plays.

Was nice to see Kennard make a few plays earlier in the game. Murphy also looks to be in better shape as well.

I'm not worried about the 1st and 2nd team for most positions, other than all of the players being held out for injury. This is either a major issue or the Cardinals are just being cautious.

The OL is some concern because the depth players didn't play well.

It’s preseason and vanilla D with 3rd and 4th stringers, so I’m not too worried about the d right now. I was just pointing out what I thought were 3 positives and 3 negatives to take away from game one. When our starters are out there, I’m sure we’ll see a lot more blitzing and different coverages. The last drive with the game on the line, VJ was calling blitzes that we would’ve normally seen early on.

 

[DVontel]

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Whewwwww man if we had a proven very good CB.

 

[Dr. Jones]

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[BullheadCardFan]

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That was a good breakdown

 

[Buckybird]

He was fine on short throws but on longer stuff was poor and he never moved safeties.

Absofreakinglutely.
He is simply not a 2nd string backup QB in the NFL