Preseason week 1 Cowboys @ Cardinals Pregame thread 8-9 thru 8-13, 2021

[Garthshort]

The DC, released prior to the first PS game, means next to nothing. JMO.

 

[kerouac9]

The DC, released prior to the first PS game, means next to nothing. JMO.

Indeed. I believe that the PR staff prepares it.

 

[Chopper0080]

Excited to see Colt McCoy execute the offense.

 

[MrYeahBut]

First preseason game and I'm already gripping like it's the Super Bowl

 

[Krangodnzr]

Excited to see Colt McCoy execute the offense.

I am as well. He's the best back up QB the Cardinals have had in a LOOOOONG time. Maybe the best since Warner was the back up.

 

[juza76]

Kirk and Isabella returning punt and kicks is pure idiocy
Everyone mentally healthy after watching those two wouldnt have to see them again there
Atrocious
Isabella has issue catching the ball and field vision and Kirk is afraid to get hit
Terrible decision, there is nothing they can learn
One play scary and Isabella is with zero awareness and instict

 

[gimpy]

I'm actually anxious to see what Isabella brings as a returner.

 

[juza76]

I am as well. He's the best back up QB the Cardinals have had in a LOOOOONG time. Maybe the best since Warner was the back up.

Is a jump of optimism
Let's see a regular season game before drinking the kool aid

 

[juza76]

I'm actually anxious to see what Isabella brings as a returner.

Nothing
We saw it already

 

[SoonerLou]

Kirk and Isabella returning punt and kicks is pure idiocy
Everyone mentally healthy after watching those two wouldnt have to see them again there
Atrocious
Isabella has issue catching the ball and field vision and Kirk is afraid to get hit
Terrible decision, there is nothing they can learn
One play scary and Isabella is with zero awareness and instict

Guess Jojo Ward has no shot to make the team.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Is a jump of optimism
Let's see a regular season game before drinking the kool aid

Colt McCoy has actually won football games in the NFL and played well for stretches.

No optimism here. These are facts. He won an NFL game last year starting in place of Daniel Jones.

McCoy>>>>>>>Hundley/Strevler.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kirk and Isabella returning punt and kicks is pure idiocy
Everyone mentally healthy after watching those two wouldnt have to see them again there
Atrocious
Isabella has issue catching the ball and field vision and Kirk is afraid to get hit
Terrible decision, there is nothing they can learn
One play scary and Isabella is with zero awareness and instict

Meh what matters more than anything else is cleanly catching the football and not muffing kicks or punts.

I'm ok with minimal returns if the ball is handled.

 

[gimpy]

And break one once in awhile.

 

[juza76]

Colt McCoy has actually won football games in the NFL and played well for stretches.

No optimism here. These are facts. He won an NFL game last year starting in place of Daniel Jones.

McCoy>>>>>>>Hundley/Strevler.

The few times i watched him playing, was terrible, he could put some stats just in garbage time, but i didnt remember a singie good throw over 15 yards

 

[juza76]

Meh what matters more than anything else is cleanly catching the football and not muffing kicks or punts.

I'm ok with minimal returns if the ball is handled.

Kirk aim is reaching the sideline untouched
Isabella can't catch properly and can be tackled without having full control of the ball, easy fumble
Even if he makes it then has no idea how to find a hole and crush against first defenders

 

[Cheesebeef]

Colt McCoy has actually won football games in the NFL and played well for stretches.

No optimism here. These are facts. He won an NFL game last year starting in place of Daniel Jones.

McCoy>>>>>>>Hundley/Strevler.

His game he “won” last year was a pathetic 13/22 for 105 yards 1 TD/1 INT game where the Giants D and running game carried him. He’s an average at best back up QB and probably leans towards the lower end of backups. He’s better than Strevler without a doubt, but what are you basing your argument that he’s >>>>>>>>>> Hundley. They’re pretty much a wash, IMO. Colt was a little better passer, but Hundley had better wheels that could be used to get yards.

we’re talking about a guy who’s got a woeful 30:43 TD to turnover ratio who’s got a career QB rating of 75. He’s a dink and dunker who’s never distinguished himself from other run of the mill backups.

and can you show me when he “played well for stretches”? I can’t ever remember this. But maybe you can show me where I’m wrong.

 

[Chopper0080]

His game he “won” last year was a pathetic 13/22 for 105 yards 1 TD/1 INT game where the Giants D and running game carried him. He’s an average at best back up QB and probably leans towards the lower end of backups. He’s better than Strevler without a doubt, but what are you basing your argument that he’s >>>>>>>>>> Hundley. They’re pretty much a wash, IMO. Colt was a little better passer, but Hundley had better wheels that could be used to get yards.

we’re talking about a guy who’s got a woeful 30:43 TD to turnover ratio who’s got a career QB rating of 75. He’s a dink and dunker who’s never distinguished himself from other run of the mill backups.

and can you show me when he “played well for stretches”? I can’t ever remember this. But maybe you can show me where I’m wrong.

One of the reasons I am excited to see him execute this offense. I am curious if our system is dependent on having a premier athlete at QB or can it be effective to a degree with a vet backup who is accurate?

 

[juza76]

One of the reasons I am excited to see him execute this offense. I am curious if our system is dependent on having a premier athlete at QB or can it be effective to a degree with a vet backup who is accurate?

With Mccoy u won't get the answers u are looking for
Its strange u think so
McCoy is 36, has been in the league for 12 years, and he is not an sccurate qb even if he played ton of short passes
Expect him to be better suited for this offense then Kyker its like expecting Isabelle being ahead of Hopkins in the depth chart
So many dreamers in August

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kirk and Isabella returning punt and kicks is pure idiocy
Everyone mentally healthy after watching those two wouldnt have to see them again there
Atrocious
Isabella has issue catching the ball and field vision and Kirk is afraid to get hit
Terrible decision, there is nothing they can learn
One play scary and Isabella is with zero awareness and instict

Agreed. More evidence of not caring about special teams imo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Meh what matters more than anything else is cleanly catching the football and not muffing kicks or punts.

I'm ok with minimal returns if the ball is handled.

That’s surrendering an advantage. You’ve been beaten into submission instead of demanding better. Shame.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Agreed. More evidence of not caring about special teams imo.

The Cardinals darksider messiah, Bruce Arians didn't give a **** about special teams. Since Kingsbury got here, the special teams unit has been significantly better.

 

[Krangodnzr]

That’s surrendering an advantage. You’ve been beaten into submission instead of demanding better. Shame.

Naw I just care more about players who are good on offense and defense. You can still win with average return men.

 

[juza76]

Naw I just care more about players who are good on offense and defense. You can still win with average return men.

The Cardinals are not an all pro roster where u can even undestimate the impact of special teams
For a team who is not even considered a playoff contender cause of a very tough division, special teams can make a significant impact
Using kirk and Isabella, it s mean ignoring details and details can make the difference for an average roster

 

[FB94]

would be nice to see first team on both sides have a good first series and get out of there. Main goal is no injuries

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Cardinals darksider messiah, Bruce Arians didn't give a **** about special teams. Since Kingsbury got here, the special teams unit has been significantly better.

Comparing a mediocre special teams to perhaps the worst special teams in the league isn’t helping your argument.

I’d argue that Bruce’s indifference to special teams may have cost this team a super bowl.