QB's in the draft

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think a QB will definitely be picked by the Cards come April. Who do you like and dislike and why? Here's what I think:

Clause and Bradford: both will be gone so they are non-factors.

Guys I like:

Colt McCoy: quick, accurate passer. The question is does he have the arm to play in the NFL. I think he does. I don't like how his season ended but i could see him in a Cards uniform especially if they pick up some extra picks.

Jevan Snead: the guy that Colt McCoy made transfer. He has the bigger arm but he's always not all that accurate. Accuracy is a hard trait to develop either you have it or you don't. I like him but have reservations.

Bill Stull: I know Stout just got sick but look at his numbers last year, 21 TD's, 8 INTS's , 65% completion, 8.2 YPA. Pitt runs a pro type offense. He could be a late round find. Same school as Palko.

Max Hall: This guy may be my favorite sleeper QB. If he was 2 inches bigger, he may go in round 1. I compare him to Drew Brees,both prolific college passer but on the small side. Still 33 TD's to 14 Ints and 67% completions is pretty nice.

Dan Lefevour: he's starting to grow on me. I don't like dink and dunk QB's but he threw a real nice deep ball at the Senior Bowl. You have to love his production and work ethic. Still he may just be a spread QB.

Tim Hiller: I don't know what happened to him this year. Last year he was lights out. He may now go undrafted.


Guys i stay away from:

Jarret Brown: me may have a nice arm and be athletic but,like i said, you can't teach accuracy very easily. I see him as a career backup. I like a more polished guy.

Tony Pike: total system QB that I would avoid at all costs. Cincy never missed a beat when he was out. That should tell you plenty.

Sean Canfiled: he had great numbers as a Senior but it was the Pac10 and he showed poor arm strength at the Senior Bowl.

Zac Robinson: i never have liked him and would hate it if the Cards wasted a pick on him.

Mike Kafka: system QB that is very streaky. Not much of a chance to have an impact in the NFL.

On the fence guys:

Tim Tebow: for all his bad mechanics the guy is still pretty accurate on the deep ball. That tells me he can accuracy on the short ball as well. He'll have a role as a wildcat QB at worst.

John Skelton: i've seen his name on here but i don't really know a whole lot about him.

Levi Brown: need alot more info on him. I would tend to shy away from him.

Joe Webb: meh

Final analysis:

Potential best value: Max Hall
highest ceiling: Jevan Snead followed closely by Lefevour
safest pick: Colt McCoy
biggest bust potential: Lefevour
Biggest sleeper: Stull

 

[WarnerHOF]

I don't think we should draft any QBs this year. If Leinart busts, we get to pick from a possibly stacked first round QB class next year (just don't pick Mallett). So focus defense this year and than go plan B on a franchise QB in 11' if Leinart busts.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I don't think we should draft any QBs this year. If Leinart busts, we get to pick from a possibly stacked first round QB class next year (just don't pick Mallett). So focus defense this year and than go plan B on a franchise QB in 11' if Leinart busts.

Exactly. Don't pick because of need, this year. Just do what the Jets did and run the crap out of the ball. The Cards have 2 quality RB's, and they should be running the ball 60% of the time. If you limit the amount of times Leinart has to throw and you scale back the playbook a little, he can be a very effective QB.

 

[Garthshort]

Jets were able to run the ball because they have a great OL. I'm not sure our OL is in that class. But I wouldn't take a QB before the 4th round.

 

[az jam]

Good analysis Cbus. We will need to take a young qb in the draft but on a lower round unless we get some extra picks. I like Dan LeFevour and Jarrett Brown perhaps in the 4th and 5th rounds respectively. McCoy is considered very similar to Jake Plummer. Unfortunately he probably will go in the 2nd round.
The key for the Cards is who they pick up as an experienced free agent to backup and actually compete with Leinart. But IMO we also need a 3rd qb to develop from the draft.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

I don't think we should draft any QBs this year. If Leinart busts, we get to pick from a possibly stacked first round QB class next year (just don't pick Mallett). So focus defense this year and than go plan B on a franchise QB in 11' if Leinart busts.

Agreed. Going half-assed when picking QBs almost never works. I can think of about 3 mid-round QBs from the last decade (out of probably about 40-50) taken who ever became decent starters. If Matty doesn't work out (he will) then our record will suck and we will have a nice early 1st round pick to use on a QB next year.

 

[Southpaw]

Riley Skinner. Wale Forest. 6-7th round or undrafted FA.

Rusty Smith FAU QB 6'5" 230# coming off shoulder injury. Will be at combine. Rated 27 out of 130 QB prospects. 6-7th round or undrafted FA.

 

[Early]

IMO, from all i have seen, there will be three NFL caliber QB's from this class, Clausen, Kafka and Skelton.

Clausen is the most polished, and IMO one of the better prospects that has come out in recent memory. He plays the college football NFL style. Take away all the "college" plays and only focus and evaluate the NFL type of plays, where motion in pocket to bye more time, screening the field and reading defenses, for not only second, but third and even fourth options... In those situations, these players show up.

Most of the college tape is useless indeed. First target is open way to often as example, and many throws are way to simple and don't require much accuracy. In college, the pressure is not as much on the QB as it is on playcalling and having the better athletes on WR positions.

Clausen looks like the real deal. Mechanics.. IQ....Toughness....Accuracy as the most important one perhaps..

Look at Kafka's feat and balance he has in the pocket and his throws. That's NFL style. He moves in the pocket (not outside, inside the pocket) as a very good NFL QB already. His three and five and seven step drops are beautifull, his hitch steps during the throw in the same manner. On plays where he sticks to that mechanics, he has proven that his accuracy is very very good. That's what matters. If you dissect the plays with hard decisions, he also shows up, and that's what matters as well. He has NFL written all over him.

Skelton. He compares so much to Flacco. Their motion and style are very much alike. Flacco is a better decision maker, and Skelton loses his mechanics at times and looks like an amateur. But again, he keeps it most of the time and in those situations he can remind you of an NFL QB. He has alot of potential, but is also polished in some areas. Very mobile. His decision making could be better, but his mechanics could work in the NFL.

Besides thow 3, i really think this is a very weak QB class. Bradford has tons of potential, but i don't see him being able to contribute on NFL level the first couple of years.

 

[Early]

I would pick any of the three QBs above and then pick Pennington in FA. I would trade/release Leinart. If Clausen is in top 5, i would consider trading up. For example i would give Boldin and Leinart ane even a mid round pick, that's a fair deal considering Doucet's development.

I think we would have a great combination at QB position, with a veteran and a young QB, and we would have that accuracy/toughness/ winning mentality that is needed to run this offense.

I really like Kafka or Skelton in mid rounds. Especially Kafka

 

[ARZCardinals]

most of the 'top' qb's I've seen WILL NOT succeed at the NFL reason for one reason alone....ball position.

Look at any top NFL QB and you'll see the release point of the ball is high. The arm is at the top of the rotation (as if the players arm is reaching to the sky). The ball should be at the top of the players head when letting it go...NOT BY THE EAR HOLE.

Tebow - he winds the ball up from his hip...watch him...not a chance in hell he'll make it in the NFL...I'll bet he goes in the 2nd round...wouldn't be shocked if he drops to the 3rd. The team getting him better have one heck of a QB coach...because he's been tossing the ball that way forever.

Bradford- Ear hole thrower...too low of a release for the NFL....will do fine, but never elite

Colt- Ear hole thrower

I predicted correct that Matt Ryan would succeed at the NFL because of his release point...which is almost exact to Peyton...which is high and at the top of his head.

Leinart - Ear Hole....

I hope the best, but see tendencies in the better qb's (Manning's, Warner, Brees, Favre). The ball goes back...sits high and upon release the arm is extended high.

 

[Reddog]

IMO, from all i have seen, there will be three NFL caliber QB's from this class, Clausen, Kafka and Skelton.

This was a nice breakdown. Can you evaluate Lienart the same way?

 

[binkar]

Max plays awful in big games, makes poor decisions, and can't handle pressure.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This was a nice breakdown. Can you evaluate Lienart the same way?

It can't be very good if he wants to release/trade him, right?

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think a QB will definitely be picked by the Cards come April. Who do you like and dislike and why? Here's what I think:

Clause and Bradford: both will be gone so they are non-factors.

I think there is a possibility that Clausen drops to the Cards. If he does then I would snag him up. Otherwise I think the Cards take a pass at the QB position and maybe pick one up as a UDFA for camp fodder.

 

[Southpaw]

Teams drafting before Cards who need QB in 1st round. Doesn't mean they will take one, if they believe in BPA.

#1 Rams

#4 Redskins

#6 Seahawks

Raiders

Bills

Jaguars

Dolphins

 

[MadCardDisease]

Teams drafting before Cards who need QB in 1st round. Doesn't mean they will take one, if they believe in BPA.

#1 Rams - They have so many holes they could go after anyone. I think they go after help for the DL(Suh or McCoy) if they can't trade the pick.

#4 Redskins - If Bradford drops they take him.

#6 Seahawks - I think they go after OL help

Raiders - Who knows what Davis will do? My guess is he goes defense here.

Bills - I think they go after OL here

Jaguars - I think they go after a pash rusher.

Dolphins - I think they go after one of the top WRs

 

[lobo]

Jets were able to run the ball because they have a great OL. I'm not sure our OL is in that class. But I wouldn't take a QB before the 4th round.

ALMOST....totally agree. I weould not draft any qb...waste of time...model the offense after the JETS-JETS-JETS. The game has always been and will always be effective if the team is built around the lines. Cards have the rb's to get it done and the OL with a little, not much help can be highly effective.
I think ML will do a fine job. Play action will be put back into the playbook....that was not Warner's cup of tea. We can only hope Matt learns to process what he sees in front of him and make the corrections as needed, if not he will not succeed...that is where Warner was great.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think there is a possibility that Clausen drops to the Cards. If he does then I would snag him up. Otherwise I think the Cards take a pass at the QB position and maybe pick one up as a UDFA for camp fodder.

No way he falls. This kid is the real deal. Everyone was shocked when he decided to go to Notre Dame when he had his pick of colleges.

This kid will be as good as any rookie we have seen in the past 3 or 4 years.

 

[Mulli]

No way he falls. This kid is the real deal. Everyone was shocked when he decided to go to Notre Dame when he had his pick of colleges.

This kid will be as good as any rookie we have seen in the past 3 or 4 years.

Wager that he won't b good.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wager.

Portillo's next time I am in Chicago.

btw, that sandwich was about 90% as good vs. fresh many hours later.

 

[Mulli]

Portillo's next time I am in Chicago.

btw, that sandwich was about 90% as good vs. fresh many hours later.

Deal. She brought u an Italian beef? Awesome. Now that is a valentine present.

For sure.

 

[Linderbee]

I rule. Brought him the combo.

 

[Southpaw]

#1 Rams - They have so many holes they could go after anyone. I think they go after help for the DL(Suh or McCoy) if they can't trade the pick.

#4 Redskins - If Bradford drops they take him.

#6 Seahawks - I think they go after OL help

Raiders - Who knows what Davis will do? My guess is he goes defense here.

Bills - I think they go after OL here

Jaguars - I think they go after a pash rusher.

Dolphins - I think they go after one of the top WRs

I agree on most of these observations, if not all, but....

Bulger is gone and Boller is his replacement

Campbell and Shanahan seems like a total mismatch.

Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace is crying for replacement.

Jemarcus Russell is a bust.

Dolphins need to admit they can't keep patching up the QB role with junk. This fanbase needs a potential star. A whole bunch of fannies disguised as empty orange seats.

Jags are a mess and Garrard has worn out his welcome.

 

[Southpaw]

Wager that he won't b good.

Claussen better than Sanchez.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I can't stand ND but Clausen is probably going to be a pretty good QB. He played ina pro style offense, had no OL, no running game, and his best WR was hurt alot and they still put up alot of points.