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Mitch

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I was impressed that for the first time this year winning the coin toss and deferring actually worked to perfection to start the game. The defense bended a little but got a stop and Ryan Lindley came out crisp and led the team to what seems like its first opening series TD on offense since who knows when.

The one caveat here is that the opening TD drive was aided and abetted by a timely unnecessary roughing call on the Rams that nullified Adam Snyder's piling on gaffe.

Clearly, the coaches were doing what Kurt Warner had insisted---get the QB into a rhythm as soon as possible.

Lindley looked sharp as in one to three BAM, one two three BAM, one two three BAM.

All good---for then.

But you just knew Jeff Fisher and the Rams weren't going to allow that to continue, especially from a rookie.

You just knew that they were going to start jumping the short routes.

Problem is it didn't seem the Cardinal coaches did---because just when they had perfectly set the Rams up for double moves, the Cardinals went to the well one time too many as Janoris Jenkins jumped Hyphen's out route and took it to the house.

The issue with the one two three BAM plays as well is how predictable the play calling has been----so predictable in fact that the coaches and Lindley made it way too easy for the Rams to counter.

Neither the coaches, nor the rookie QB had a counter to their counter.

At halftime---it was very interesting to hear what the sideline reporter said about what the coaches told her---

Fisher was stating that he was impressed with Lindley's play and how he was "spreading the ball around"---and that now it was time to increase the pressure on him to see if he could handle it.

Whisenhunt offered praise for Lindley too, but was stressing with his young QB the plays he missed---

For right or for wrong---when I heard both of those statements I thought it was going to be a long second half because the Rams were going to come after Lindley and now, based on the locker room focus of the missed plays the young QB was likely to become tentative in fear of making another egregious mistake---or even worse, missing a wide open Fitzgerald which may have prompted Whisenhunt to try Early Doucet at QB.

Lord knows there was only one way in which John Skelton was ever going to get a chance again---that is if Lindley was to get hurt.

It doesn't matter that the one thing Skelton has shown a somewhat consistent propensity to do and that is lead 4th quarter comebacks out of the hurry-up---as was the case last week when it was clear that Lindley was in over his head as rookies who have never taken a snap in a game are---Skelton was not going to be called on under any circumstances other than injury.

Essentially John Skelton has been cut.

He is the latest Arizona Cardinal QB pariah.

And this raises a troubling pattern of sorts:

Matt Leinart spent three years in Whisenhunt's offense and even was the beneficiary of working along side a HOF QB---

Leinart was named the starter on numerous occasions---and yet when it clearly his time to start---he was cut before he even had a chance.

Now after three years it's Skelton's turn.

The only difference is that Whisenhunt drafted Skelton---and the Cardinals were so interested in him that they (including the Bidwills) dined with Skelton in NYC prior to the draft.

Going back to Leinart---the strange thing about his transition into Whisenhunt's offense, if you recall, was that Whisenhunt proclaimed at the start of his first season that Leinart was slow to pick up the system and therefore hadn't even been taught the hurry-up offense, which is why Warner was the designated hurry-up QB.

Now I ask you---with all the rookies that have started at QB over the past three years, and with a modicum of success no less---even in the strike-shortened season---why were those QBs well enough prepared to learn the offense and Matt Leinart, a Heisman Trophy winner wasn't?

We saw what Leinart was capable of as a pro---under the big lights, no less. He played virtually a flawless game against the "they were what we thought they were" undefeated Bears. If you recall, even when the Cardinals somehow managed to squander the big lead due to Edge's fumble and Hester's punt return TD---Leinart led the offense right into decent FG position to win the game. Alas, Neil Rackers missed the 42 yarder.

We have seen Skelton at his best as he was at home last year in relief of an injured Kolb versus the then practically unbeatable 49ers, when he was throwing strikes downfield and leading the Cardinals to a stunning upset win.

Skelton actually beat the Rams, 49ers and Seahawks in the second half of last season.

We saw earlier this season what Kevin Kolb can do when he is focused and determined---as in win 4 games in a row, even when it wasn't always pretty.

Guess what?---in football it usually isn't pretty----

We have now seen what a focused Ryan Lindley can do for 30 minutes of football. He's got the arm for sure---and he has the spunk.

The question is---why do these young QBs look like they are more parts to the problem than the solution?

What's the common denominator?

What do they all do wrong?

1. They stare down the first option.
2. They throw repeatedly short of the sticks on third down conversions.
3. They sail the ball high under pressure.
4. They throw off their back foot even when they don't have to.
5. They seem out of sync with the WRs and TEs in not knowing when and where their breaks are at times---often at key times, as Lindley did yesterday with Fitz on several occasions.
6. They throw bad interceptions even following their best drives because they go to the well and repeat mistakes 1-5 far too often.

This is why it actually would be prudent to see what we really have in Kolb, Skelton and Lindley when they are being coached by a new set of coaches in a system and under play-callers who know how to cater the offense to their strengths....and better yet, coaches who understand the psychology of what it takes to be a successful QB and how critical it is to the team's success for the QB to feel confident in himself, the system and his teammates.

Personnel Notes:

1. To think that TEs Todd Heap and Jim Dray have contributed virtually nothing all year taking up roster spots when the Cardinals could have a QB like David Garrard on the roster to throw into the mix.

How could it be that as QB starved as the Cardinals are---that they keep more TEs than QBs with one QB injured for a prolonged time, to boot.

That and how about another offensive tackle?

2. Speaking of TEs---good to see Rob Housler getting the bulk of the work---he had his best game production-wise this week and not just as a receiver but he made several good plays as a blocker. Go Dems!

3. Nate Potter---looks like he's corrected the swinging gate drop-step problem he had the last couple of weeks---his setup was nice and square this week, and, as a result, how often was DE Robert Quinn's name called this week?

4. Hyphen---made no sense to send him in for the middle of the line dive play that hasn't worked with him for three weeks.

5. William Powell---love this kid! Why the coaches haven't been using him more is mind-boggling.

6. Beanie looked fresh but had Fred Flintstone in the car feet. Nice run on the TD, however---in that case he kept his feet nicely under him.

7. Offensive line---best game in a while.

8. LaRon Byrd---great to see him out there---too bad he got such a rough initiation. Hope he bounces back.

9. Fitz---he doesn't look in sync with himself right now, let alone with a QB---there's something wrong with him, perhaps lingering concussion worries?

10. Roberts---has got to be throw to deep at least two to three times a game.

11. Dockett---playing better.

12. Williams---came on in second half.

13. Carter---was explosive at times.

14. Groves---same off the edge---great strip play.

15. Acho---had the one real bad play on Jackson that went for 29 yards---but was solid otherwise, especially staying home and getting after Bradford.

16. Washington---best player on the field yesterday for the Cardinals.

17. Bethel---his coverage on Givens was textbook---he was right there has turned for the ball just as you want and just narrowly missed the deflection---I saw this as a positive. Givens the last time blew by William Gay. Just not sure why Horton wanted to press Givens with his speed in that situation---and of course, there was no safety help over the top. (Add too Bethel's ST play was excellent).

18. Peterson---maybe his best game all-around this season. Tremendous interception----good tackles and punt returns.

19. Rhodes---drives you crazy, doesn't he? His futile and lame effort to tackle TE Lance Kendricks on the 29 yard TD pass over the middle by going high on Kendrick's 6'5" frame instead of firing through his legs was akin to Wilson's shoulder whiff versus Randall Cobb (Packers). Rhodes made a couple nice plays later---but mostly when he was near the box.

20. Wilson---did anyone know he even played?

21. Adams---nice coverage for a change.
 

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Nice write up Mitch.

The PP21 INT was more of a bad play by Bradford IMO. That ball was thrown late by a mile. That's a TD for many other QB's in the league. Did he play better? Sure. I think he looks like he isn't invested in the outcome if you ask me.

PP21 isn't consistently playing fast, or violent enough IMO.
 

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Lindley looked good the first half, but when the Rams adjusted to the short game it was all over. Lindley has nothing passed 20 yards. He is good with the short stuff for sure , but he had almost no pressure on him all game. Any highschool QB could have looked good with the time Lindley had. Skelton and Kolb would have won this game with that kind of protection. Whiz should be gone after this season along with all the offensive coaching staff. Hopefully we hire an OC that knows what the hell he is doing.

The Cards have been throwing the ball short on I don't know how many third and fourth downs. That is so stupid. How hard is it to send every receiver past the first down marker and then make a throw. That is street lot football smarts let alone what an NFL team should know how to do. That screams idiot coaching for sure.
 

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Pretty good review of the game. Pretty certain the offensive coaching staff will be tossed this off season - what happens to Whiz is unknown - but we do need someone else running the offense. If Fox can squeeze a playoff run with Tebow - we should at least stick around .500 in a year like this.
 

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The Cards have been throwing the ball short on I don't know how many third and fourth downs. That is so stupid. How hard is it to send every receiver past the first down marker and then make a throw. That is street lot football smarts let alone what an NFL team should know how to do. That screams idiot coaching for sure.

According to some on these boards, it was sound coaching. It was logical on 3rd and long to throw a 3 yard in because, well, the receiver might break one. You know, something that has consistently happened all season long. :rolleyes:

Problem is it didn't seem the Cardinal coaches did

Ken Whisenhunt couldn't make a halftime adjustment if his head was in the guillotine and the blade was on it's way down.
 

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I'll add the deep ball was available through out the day. Michael Floyd got open deep in particular. He was also good as usual with his blocking.

Groves needs to be re signed. He is a good fit on our defense.

I agree with your assessment on our TE's, but will add should throw to King a couple times a game. Is a reliable target who doesn't get enough credit.

Byrd needs to work on his blocking if he's to see any time on the field.
 

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So it was good coaching in the first half, but bad coaching in the second half? The coaching staff had Lindley throwing to short routes early, but they told Lindley to not read the coverage, and keep throwing to those routes since they didn't send anyone else on passing routes? The told Lindley to not throw to the Rams in the first half, but then throw to the Rams in the second? And it is the Cardinals coaches fault that Skelton can't complete passes to wide open receivers last week, but suddenly something woudl have changed this week?

This is the dumbest line of reasoning I have heard yet on this board. The scheme got Larry open down the field despite Lindley missing him this week and did the same with Larry in the endzone last week. Coaches don't throw passes. Coaches don't block players. Coaches don't run routes. At some point, you have to be able to execute on the field and our current QBs can't. Deal with it.
 

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According to some on these boards, it was sound coaching. It was logical on 3rd and long to throw a 3 yard in because, well, the receiver might break one. You know, something that has consistently happened all season long. :rolleyes:



Ken Whisenhunt couldn't make a halftime adjustment if his head was in the guillotine and the blade was on it's way down.

Yeah because WRs aren't responsible for how deep they run their routes or anything at the pro level.
 

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This is the dumbest line of reasoning I have heard yet on this board. The scheme got Larry open down the field despite Lindley missing him this week and did the same with Larry in the endzone last week. Coaches don't throw passes. Coaches don't block players. Coaches don't run routes. At some point, you have to be able to execute on the field and our current QBs can't. Deal with it.

I agree that these QBs are leaving plays on the field, but that's what happens when you try to perform with backup or clipboard holding QBs. That's exactly what Skelton & Lindley are.
 

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I agree that these QBs are leaving plays on the field, but that's what happens when you try to perform with backup or clipboard holding QBs. That's exactly what Skelton & Lindley are.

Which is why I blame the front office and coaching staff for the players that are put on the field and the players for their lack of execution on the field.
 

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Did anyone notice on the 3rd and 3 situation, Fitz ran about 3 yds down then cut right and angled TOWARD the QB thus moving himself SHORT of the 1st down line ?
 

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Which is why I blame the front office and coaching staff for the players that are put on the field and the players for their lack of execution on the field.

Bickley repeated multiple times today that Whis is the only one responsible for each of the QB selections. His words: Every quarterback since Warner was "handpicked" by Whisenhunt.
 

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Bickley repeated multiple times today that Whis is the only one responsible for each of the QB selections. His words: Every quarterback since Warner was "handpicked" by Whisenhunt.

That's just terrifying.
 

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He's also been limited in his options to improve the position too...just sayin.

Not limited enough to have Ryan Lindley starting in week 12.

Two teams in our division have found their QBOTF in the same time we've been looking for one. The Niners traded up to get Kapernick. There's no reason we couldn't have moved up two spots in the second round to do the same. Russel Wilson was taken five spots before Jamel Flemming. Wilson also just set an NFL rookie record yesterday by completing 16 straight passes and has a 93.9 QB rating. Not to mention Andy Dalton, who was taken three picks ahead of Ryan Williams.

It would have taken some slight maneuvering, but better options were there in the last couple of drafts. The Cards just missed them. Even second tier free agent options like Kyle Orton and Chad Henne would be huge upgrades over Lindley or Skelton.
 

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I'd pay good money to find out what happens in the Cards locker room at halftime. Which seems to be a whole lot of nothing.

Good write-up Mitch. (Can I pick 'em or what? ;))
 

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I'd pay good money to find out what happens in the Cards locker room at halftime.

Russ Grim buries himself in his headphones and cranks Springsteen and Whiz tells everyone how stupid they are and how smart he is.
 

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Lindley looked good the first half, but when the Rams adjusted to the short game it was all over. Lindley has nothing passed 20 yards. He is good with the short stuff for sure , but he had almost no pressure on him all game. Any highschool QB could have looked good with the time Lindley had. Skelton and Kolb would have won this game with that kind of protection. Whiz should be gone after this season along with all the offensive coaching staff. Hopefully we hire an OC that knows what the hell he is doing.

The Cards have been throwing the ball short on I don't know how many third and fourth downs. That is so stupid. How hard is it to send every receiver past the first down marker and then make a throw. That is street lot football smarts let alone what an NFL team should know how to do. That screams idiot coaching for sure.

He had that protection against Green Bay and lost, and he completed only 50% of those throws that any highschooler could complete. He wound up with 300 yards passing just like Lindley, but only 1 pick.

He had that protection against Seattle and completed 50% of his passes for 150 yards and was behind when he got hurt.

He had zero pressure at all in the Atlanta game and went 2-7 for 6 yards including a play where our star player was so open even a junior high QB could have gotten him the ball, and Skelton missed.

I agree the Rams adjusted and Lindley was not good after that, but that's precisely what happens with Skelton too, in reverse. He's not good for most of the first 3 quarters, then the defense goes soft zone and he's suddenly good. It's been that way for 2 years now it's not a fluke.
 

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Russ Grim buries himself in his headphones and cranks Springsteen .

Fairly close to what I've decided. Only in my scenario he's parked himself in the john and has the guy with the Gatorade bottle let him know when half time is over.
 

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He had that protection against Green Bay and lost, and he completed only 50% of those throws that any highschooler could complete. He wound up with 300 yards passing just like Lindley, but only 1 pick.

He had that protection against Seattle and completed 50% of his passes for 150 yards and was behind when he got hurt.

He had zero pressure at all in the Atlanta game and went 2-7 for 6 yards including a play where our star player was so open even a junior high QB could have gotten him the ball, and Skelton missed.

I agree the Rams adjusted and Lindley was not good after that, but that's precisely what happens with Skelton too, in reverse. He's not good for most of the first 3 quarters, then the defense goes soft zone and he's suddenly good. It's been that way for 2 years now it's not a fluke.

Actually thought Skelton had one of his better games throwing the ball vs Green Bay. Plenty of drops. He wasn't the reason we lost to the Packers.
 

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Actually thought Skelton had one of his better games throwing the ball vs Green Bay. Plenty of drops. He wasn't the reason we lost to the Packers.

Yes there were drops in that game but I think the "official" count went from 5 to 7 in a day on this board. And at least 3 of those 7 were bad throws where the WR made a nice effort to get hands on the ball but didn't catch it.

Drops happen in every NFL game I watch. After about 600 NFL throws I think we can safely conclude Skelton's problem is not passes being dropped.
 

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Yes there were drops in that game but I think the "official" count went from 5 to 7 in a day on this board. And at least 3 of those 7 were bad throws where the WR made a nice effort to get hands on the ball but didn't catch it.

Drops happen in every NFL game I watch. After about 600 NFL throws I think we can safely conclude Skelton's problem is not passes being dropped.
:D The fans in the first 50 rows agree with you, Skelton throws souvenirs as much as he throws passes.
 

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