Rams at Cardinals gameday thread 9-25-22

[BullheadCardFan]

I was worried that last season was the top of the mountain for the group of Keim, Kliff and Kyler (Vance is not in the club). Frankly, I am tired of arguing over who deserves the most blame because they all deserve some. That said, Bidwill is a cheap owner and a meddler so getting a competent GM/HC combo will be by luck only and not something to count on. Keim is trash. Kliff's act is tired, and Kyler is overrated and unlikable. Vance sucks but he has always sucked. On to Carolina and hope something changes as unlikely as that may be.

This sums it up unfortunately

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Gotta give them credit!

 

[dscher]

Dont care one bit about Kyler not liking Payton. At that this point we have kissed his ass so much we need a “name guy” to come in. Bidwill needs to pony up and just do it to calm the fans monkeybutt about the current state of this team

Never said otherwise. I just think Kyler isn't dumb. If you bring in a guy like Payton, he would fall in line. I see Kyler as a team first kinda guy.

 

[kerouac9]

I could see Kyler welcoming any coach who will make the team better overall. I don't see Kyler in the light some here do so I think he'd be another that could recognize what's good for the team and winning would be best for him as well. But who knows. I would hope he doesn't think this way. If he does... We're in big trouble with whatever head coach is running this team.

Honesty what have you seen from Kyler since he was at A&M that would support this assertion/assumption?

Kyler (and his family) have very firm opinions about how he can and should win and don’t really take kindly to disagreeing with those opinions.

 

[Broseph]

I was worried that last season was the top of the mountain for the group of Keim, Kliff and Kyler (Vance is not in the club). Frankly, I am tired of arguing over who deserves the most blame because they all deserve some. That said, Bidwill is a cheap owner and a meddler so getting a competent GM/HC combo will be by luck only and not something to count on. Keim is trash. Kliff's act is tired, and Kyler is overrated and unlikable. Vance sucks but he has always sucked. On to Carolina and hope something changes as unlikely as that may be.

correct, Keim is a yes-man for Bidwill and a personal friend, that's why he isn't going anywhere anytime soon and he deserves so much of the blame for assembling this roster and mismanaging the drafts.

 

[slanidrac16]

So many things done wrong with this team. Kliff is the head of the pimple.
Should have taken the fg to cut it to a one score game.
No sense of urgency on that last drive.
Kyler slides instead of running out of bounds and it took 25 seconds to get the next snap.
Don’t let the score fool you. Easily could have been 27 or 34 to 12.
You almost hope for a rout with the hopes things change.

 

[Hoodhero]

1st 4 drives = 13 total plays for 22 yards(4 punts including 1 blocked). That's Rosen and Mike McCoy levels of ineptitude.

 

[TJ]

I was worried that last season was the top of the mountain for the group of Keim, Kliff and Kyler (Vance is not in the club). Frankly, I am tired of arguing over who deserves the most blame because they all deserve some. That said, Bidwill is a cheap owner and a meddler so getting a competent GM/HC combo will be by luck only and not something to count on. Keim is trash. Kliff's act is tired, and Kyler is overrated and unlikable. Vance sucks but he has always sucked. On to Carolina and hope something changes as unlikely as that may be.

Yeah, Kyler does nothing for me. He can be a Jay Cutlet dick however he wants if he’s producing, but this season, he’s playing like garbage. If he’s going to choose to act like an ass, he has to produce.

 

[slanidrac16]

Never said otherwise. I just think Kyler isn't dumb. If you bring in a guy like Payton, he would fall in line. I see Kyler as a team first kinda guy.

Sliding instead of running out of bounds to stop the clock = dumb.

 

[TJ]

**** you, Kyler.

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[FB94]

Still have a 1% thread of hope that with Hop and Moore coming back we find some sort of offensive mojo and look respectable. If we don’t clean house period. I know Bidwill won’t but if the offense still looks like crap after this year, Bidwill flat out must demand we bring in an quality NFL OC to reboot this offense

 

[Zalixar]

Hate to break it to you, but the NFL TV deal is what keeps these franchises afloat. Anything you wear, support, or attend will get picked up by the next person standing in line. Some people have stood by this team through much worse. Your constant rants about sticking it to the man is falling on deaf ears, especially on a message board with season ticket holders and diehard lifelong fans.

Hate to break it to you, but the NFL TV deal is what keeps these franchises afloat. Anything you wear, support, or attend will get picked up by the next person standing in line. Some people have stood by this team through much worse. Your constant rants about sticking it to the man is falling on deaf ears, especially on a message board with season ticket holders and diehard lifelong fans.

It's partially a joke and partially a stick to the man. Either way, it's a business and people should vote with their money. NFL unfortunately have covered each other backs for failing and underperforming franchises.

I've been a season ticket holder outside of the state traveling more miles in a year than most fans do in a decade, as well as a fan for several decades since I was 5. Don't need to lecture me on any of those things. People can keep pouring money to a business who does not care about them (every business ever).

But sports has an irrationality to it that is quite interesting, even on a worldwide level. Fan is short for fanatic after all.

Huffing and puffing on message board don't do anything. You want change or do you want the same ol Cardinals for decades? What else is there? It would make sense "Diehard fans" would be doing anything to get their voice heard instead of settling for mediocrity at best. Unfortunately only money talks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How you run the clock out on yourself

And this has been an enormous problem for kliff and kylers ENTIRE tenure here. Five year extension. Yeesh.

 

[dscher]

Honesty what have you seen from Kyler since he was at A&M that would support this assertion/assumption?

Kyler (and his family) have very firm opinions about how he can and should win and don’t really take kindly to disagreeing with those opinions.

So, because he also wants what's best for himself it means that both can't be true? I guess I would just point to the fact guys in college or NFL can be selfish about many things.... rightfully....but when on the field and for the sake of the team, will do what it takes by any means. Neither of us know obviously. It's just my personal gut feeling. I also think he's capable of learning as he grows up as a man. I can get behind that idea as well... So, I'll be glass half full on the dude until I hear how horrible of a teammate he is.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not that we would definitely have gotten in any ways but Kliff had to kick that FG the one before

So many almosts in this game the Zaven near sack, the near catch by ERtz, the overthrow of Hollywood etc

Mediocre teams have a lot of almosts. This is lesser mid-tier team. Squarely mediocre.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Arizona Rushing

	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
James Conner	13	39	3.0	0	10
Eno Benjamin	5	16	3.2	0	9
Kyler Murray	2	8	4.0	0	6
Darrel Williams	1	7	7.0	0	7
TEAM	21	70	3.3	0	10

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Arizona Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	RTG
Kyler Murray	37/58	314	5.4	0	0	2-19	77.8
TEAM	37/58	295	5.4	0	0	2-19	77.8

 

[dscher]

Sliding instead of running out of bounds to stop the clock = dumb.

No arguments. I've already pointed that out many times about that play.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Arizona Receiving

	REC	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG	TGTS
Marquise Brown	14	140	10.0	0	20	17
Greg Dortch	9	80	8.9	0	30	10
Zach Ertz	6	45	7.5	0	12	10
James Conner	3	18	6.0	0	7	5
Andre Baccellia	2	13	6.5	0	10	4
Andy Isabella	1	11	11.0	0	11	2
Eno Benjamin	2	7	3.5	0	6	4
A.J. Green	0	0	0.0	0	0	2
Darrel Williams	0	0	0.0	0	0	1
TEAM	37	314	8.5	0	30	55

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Arizona Defensive

	tackles	misc
	TOT	SOLO	SACKS	TFL	PD	QB HTS	TD
Budda Baker	8	5	0	0	0	0	0
Jalen Thompson	7	5	0	0	0	1	0
Zaven Collins	4	4	0	0	0	0	0
Byron Murphy Jr.	4	2	0	0	0	0	0
Jace Whittaker	3	3	0	0	0	0	0
Dennis Gardeck	3	3	0	0	0	0	0
Zach Allen	3	1	0	1	0	0	0
Nick Vigil	3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Aaron Brewer	2	2	0	0	0	0	0
Ben Niemann	2	2	0	1	0	0	0
Michael Dogbe	2	1	0	0	0	0	0
J.J. Watt	1	1	1	1	0	1	0
Markus Golden	1	1	0	0	0	2	0
Trayvon Mullen	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
Victor Dimukeje	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
Marco Wilson	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
Stephen Anderson	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Deionte Thompson	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Isaiah Simmons	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Leki Fotu	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Cameron Thomas	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
TEAM	51	33	1	3	0	5	0

 

[dscher]

**** you, Kyler.

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He was probably going at Isabella when he got heated with him on the sideline. Isabella was asleep on a big play. Nothing earth shattering here.

 

[ajcardfan]

He was probably going at Isabella when he got heated with him on the sideline. Isabella was asleep on a big play. Nothing earth shattering here.

Isabella sropped the route like a sissy. Fight over the CB, keep running,.don't effing quit.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If we're ever ahead in this season

FTFY

 

[ajcardfan]

Just got back. Here is what piased me off the most.

Kick that ******* FG and make it a one score game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Dunno if Kyler would live with it. Would you rather have Kliff and Kyler or Payton, Taysom Hill, and 2 first round picks?

He signed a 5 year extension. He has no more power.