Rapoport: Cardinals trading out of #3 very very likely

[BritCard]

Arizona
3 - 2200

Oakland
7 - 1500
38 - 520
70 - 240
Total - 2260

Fair trade

2025 NFL Trade Value Chart

The pick value chart is not a recipe book. It tells you the perceived value of that pick in isolation.

The value of anything is determined by how much somebody wants it vs how much the owner wants to sell it.

 

[Stout]

Arizona
3 - 2200

Oakland
7 - 1500
38 - 520
70 - 240
Total - 2260

Fair trade

2025 NFL Trade Value Chart

Still not one I'd want.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Arizona
3 - 2200

Oakland
7 - 1500
38 - 520
70 - 240
Total - 2260

Fair trade

2025 NFL Trade Value Chart

That would be a fair trade for a Non-QB.

However when there is only one good QB left and multiple teams desire said QB then things get interesting.

 

[Arz101]

They should take Bryce Young at #3 if available.

 

[Zalixar]

They should take Bryce Young at #3 if available.

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[Krangodnzr]

They should take Bryce Young at #3 if available.

Tell me one trait that Young has that is exceptional.

I saw a good college players playing amongst a lot of other good and great players.

 

[Arz101]

Tell me one trait that Young has that is exceptional.

I saw a good college players playing amongst a lot of other good and great players.

Cheap, healthy and hungry than a well fed Kyler today?

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Colts have to get one of the 2 top QBs. It is at least 90% at this point. No more 30+ yr old experiments like the last 3 tries. That means, they have to trade with Bears before Bears move on. If they let Bears do business with someone else, they are screwed.

So, where does that leave us? Unless Texans go all Vincent van Gogh and recreate the universe, we can have Anderson, if our new brains want to go that way. But what if they want draft picks and feel that strongly about 3 or 4 guys in the top 70 or so. We really do have holes to fill with legit lasting starters, not our usual 2nd string quality starters.

Who logically would need to move up to our spot that wouldn't drop us down lower than we can go and still get the R1 guy we really don't want to lose? To me, at a best 60/40 sensible guess, has to be the Panthers moving up to take Richardson. That seems like a perfect fit, they don't need to rush him in this season, and they have a potential Josh Allen type QB. If it goes that way, then I feel their '23 #9 + #39, along with '24 R2 + R3 will just about do it. I think we would feel good about a first, 2 seconds, and a third to move back only 6 spots. Maybe we could squeeze them for another R2 &/or R3 in '25.

If that worked for both teams, we would then have: 9, 34, 39, 66, 96 ...... Let's say in a perfect 1st draft by our new brain thrusts, we score a solid starter with our first 3 picks. Which position and which player to fill which spot? Keeping it real with your choices likely available when we pick at 9, 34, & 39?

I would be happy with a scenario like this one.
If Carter is taken and Hopkins has been traded:
#9 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC or ......
..... DEs, Wilson, Murphy, or Van Ness
#34 - Forbes or Banks, CB, Miss St/Maryland
#39 - DT - Kancey, Benton, Ika

Let's say Hopkins brings us about a #50 and we didn't take a DE yet, then .....
#50 - DEs, Hall, McDonald, Carter, Adebawore

Who would you like to fill those 3 or 4 spots with?
#9
#34
#39
#50

 

[Krangodnzr]

Cheap, healthy and hungry than a well fed Kyler today?

Those aren't traits.

Try again.

He's short. Not a great athlete. Not a great arm.

 

[SECTION 11]

Naw it's not loaded.

It was an actual choice that the Cardinals made.

Rice was a fantastic pass rusher. If Anderson is as good as Rice, we will be ecstatic.

But the difference between an elite edge vs an elite LT is that an elite LT gives you more overall value. They win way more often than an elite edge does.

LOL Mandarich vs Thomas? That's a completely different equation. One was a monumental bust. I at least provided a choice between a near HOF edge vs a HOF LT, and a choice that the Cardinals actually made.

Calling Rice an okay pass rusher is ridiculous. He was fantastic.

Rice was a good pass rusher, but he was far from great overall. Watching him take (another) wide speed rush on ‘2nd and 2’ type run downs was mind numbing. And he was a *******, of course.

 

[BritCard]

Those aren't traits.

Try again.

He's short. Not a great athlete. Not a great arm.

Kyler is fat talk is funny. He's probably sub 12% body fat.

 

[DVontel]

Trading back is going go to be so lame.

Blue chip at a premier position staring right in our face only to add a bunch of inferior players at inferior positions to the roster instead.

 

[Chopper0080]

Trading back is going go to be so lame.

Blue chip at a premier position staring right in our face only to add a bunch of inferior players at inferior positions to the roster instead.

100% agreement and it seems like the writing is on the wall.

 

[Arz101]

Those aren't traits.

Try again.

He's short. Not a great athlete. Not a great arm.

Ohhhh..... He is short.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Trading back is going go to be so lame.

Blue chip at a premier position staring right in our face only to add a bunch of inferior players at inferior positions to the roster instead.

Luckily you are not our GM

 

[juza76]

The pick value chart is not a recipe book. It tells you the perceived value of that pick in isolation.

The value of anything is determined by how much somebody wants it vs how much the owner wants to sell it.

Yeah the math doesn't work often for a top 3 pick
Usually a team to move up in the top three must overpay

 

[Krangodnzr]

Ohhhh..... He is short.

Again, what above average trait does Young have?

 

[gamebird98]

Kyler is fat talk is funny. He's probably sub 12% body fat.

Unfortunately, all 12% is between his ears.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Luckily you are not our GM

He has a point. If Anderson is there, like it or not, you just can't pass him up. IF we do get him, maybe we will pick up an extra 2nd in the Hopkins trade instead of having to trade back.

 

[lobo]

Colts have to get one of the 2 top QBs. It is at least 90% at this point. No more 30+ yr old experiments like the last 3 tries. That means, they have to trade with Bears before Bears move on. If they let Bears do business with someone else, they are screwed.

So, where does that leave us? Unless Texans go all Vincent van Gogh and recreate the universe, we can have Anderson, if our new brains want to go that way. But what if they want draft picks and feel that strongly about 3 or 4 guys in the top 70 or so. We really do have holes to fill with legit lasting starters, not our usual 2nd string quality starters.

Who logically would need to move up to our spot that wouldn't drop us down lower than we can go and still get the R1 guy we really don't want to lose? To me, at a best 60/40 sensible guess, has to be the Panthers moving up to take Richardson. That seems like a perfect fit, they don't need to rush him in this season, and they have a potential Josh Allen type QB. If it goes that way, then I feel their '23 #9 + #39, along with '24 R2 + R3 will just about do it. I think we would feel good about a first, 2 seconds, and a third to move back only 6 spots. Maybe we could squeeze them for another R2 &/or R3 in '25.

If that worked for both teams, we would then have: 9, 34, 39, 66, 96 ...... Let's say in a perfect 1st draft by our new brain thrusts, we score a solid starter with our first 3 picks. Which position and which player to fill which spot? Keeping it real with your choices likely available when we pick at 9, 34, & 39?

I would be happy with a scenario like this one.
If Carter is taken and Hopkins has been traded:
#9 - Jordan Addison, WR, USC or ......
..... DEs, Wilson, Murphy, or Van Ness
#34 - Forbes or Banks, CB, Miss St/Maryland
#39 - DT - Kancey, Benton, Ika

Let's say Hopkins brings us about a #50 and we didn't take a DE yet, then .....
#50 - DEs, Hall, McDonald, Carter, Adebawore

Who would you like to fill those 3 or 4 spots with?
#9
#34
#39
#50

Very high marks for a thoughtful look at things...can't comment on the players as we all know that the draft is a crap shoot. Thanks for making me think about what you said. My feeling is a team cannot pass up a close to a "sure thing" under any circumstances. Team is picking low enough in the first three rounds to identify decent guys in round 2 and two picks in three...

 

[slanidrac16]

It’s simple. If Anderson is gone, we hope to find a trade partner. If he’s there you take him and fill a huge hole. It’s just not a blue chip player. It’s a HUGE hole.
Our second and third round picks will leave difficult decisions because there will be very good players available.
If we get a #2 for Hopkins even better. Two 2nds and two 3rds should give us a solid base to start building. A few shrewd free agents added in and and we will actually be watchable.

 

[Harry]

If the Cards choose to trade there will be plenty of takers if they’re patient.

 

[schutd]

100% agreement and it seems like the writing is on the wall.

please please please be wrong...

 

[BulldogCard]

Maybe just take Robinson or Witherspoon; safe picks instead of overthinking it. That's in a specific scenario of course. A lot of quarterbacks could go top 5.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think Pugh is auditioning to take Adrian Wilson's spot in the front office.

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