Rapoport: Cardinals trading out of #3 very very likely

[Carolinacacti]

Its like a breath of fresh air, Kiem not doing this.

 

[Solar7]

While I'll go on the record saying that Will Anderson is who I'd like us to take now that Carter's essentially out of the picture, I'm not going to riot if we trade back and remain in the top ten. Any further and it better be a really special haul.

 

[Outerlimits]

Its like a breath of fresh air, Kiem not doing this.

Well, we certainly hope so anyway.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yea I would say a true elite LT is equally as valuable.

One of which isn’t apparent in this draft.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There's an argument to made that the 3 picks you get could fill the C, and 2 guards positions and they would be young, cost controlled and hopefully give the QB more time in the pocket giving the offense and advantage

I'm not saying to do it, but the argument is there

The odds of hitting on three lower first and second round picks is likely a lot lower than taking the stud passrusher at 3 and having him pan out.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I might argue more, because LTs can really help QBs.

I’m split here. I get the value of stud LT. I think I place them third. Only because if the other parts of the line stink it won’t matter how good the anchor tackle is. Whereas you can move a passrusher around and his threat has to be gameplanned for regularly. He imoacts the game before it’s even begun.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But you can't because a defense will now move the guy around the line where your elite tackle does not face him

Borg

 

[DVontel]

I’d be really hot if we make a trade before Chicago does.

Hopefully, the FO is just waiting to see if Chicago will trade for a team behind us. That way, we’re all but guaranteed Will Anderson.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The odds of hitting on three lower first and second round picks is likely a lot lower than taking the stud passrusher at 3 and having him pan out.

This is true

But there are some solid Oline men in those spots they are the type that could work

Just throwing it out there

Like I said, not in favor of this unless WA is gone

 

[Zalixar]

I’d be really hot if we make a trade before Chicago does.

Hopefully, the FO is just waiting to see if Chicago will trade for a team behind us. That way, we’re all but guaranteed Will Anderson.

There's no way we can "officially" trade before they do.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I’m split here. I get the value of stud LT. I think I place them third. Only because if the other parts of the line stink it won’t matter how good the anchor tackle is. Whereas you can move a passrusher around and his threat has to be gameplanned for regularly. He imoacts the game before it’s even begun.

You can literally say the same thing for a pass rusher though.

Sure you can move him around, but offenses can adjust protection schemes.

OL win more reps overall and the really good ones rarely lose. That's why you'll see top LTs with a 95% pass block win rates.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Will Anderson is the type of player offenses will have to gameplan for. Plus, you guys are missing the key fact, Bill Davis won't be here to ruin him.
An elite edge pass rusher is the number 1 thing a defense can have. Trading to fill holes like C, OG, or interior DL with serviceable players is ridiculous. Or do you want a decent C and OG and still have the likes of Marcus Golden trying to generate a pass rush?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Will Anderson is the type of player offenses will have to gameplan for. Plus, you guys are missing the key fact, Bill Davis won't be here to ruin him.
An elite edge pass rusher is the number 1 thing a defense can have. Trading to fill holes like C, OG, or interior DL with serviceable players is ridiculous. Or do you want a decent C and OG and still have the likes of Marcus Golden trying to generate a pass rush?

A competent coaching staff would have Sanders and Thomas playing more than 29% of snaps.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You can literally say the same thing for a pass rusher though.

Sure you can move him around, but offenses can adjust protection schemes.

OL win more reps overall and the really good ones rarely lose. That's why you'll see top LTs with a 95% pass block win rates.

Correct, but a passrusher only needs to win once to perhaps change the outcome of the game.

 

[GatorAZ]

We are getting Will Anderson or a haul of picks. Thank goodness we lost that Atlanta game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Correct, but a passrusher only needs to win once to perhaps change the outcome of the game.

Simeon Rice or Jonathan Ogden?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Correct, but a passrusher only needs to win once to perhaps change the outcome of the game.

Ill answer first, Ogden should have been the pick.

Sure the pass rusher only has to win one snap, but the best LTs are winning 55 snaps. They also never leave the field.

 

[Phrazbit]

Richardson is a better prospect than Lance was.

I expect both to be monumental busts.

Richardson was flat out terrible on film. Guy is an athlete, not a quarterback.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I expect both to be monumental busts.

Richardson was flat out terrible on film. Guy is an athlete, not a quarterback.

Oh I agree. But Lance just wasn't polished even to major college level.

Richardson wasn't even better than Emory Jones who stunk at ASU.

 

[Harry]

What I remember most about a young Mr. Rice was how he’d run right by the ballcarrier to chase down the QB.

 

[QuebecCard]

I expect both to be monumental busts.

Richardson was flat out terrible on film. Guy is an athlete, not a quarterback.

Richardson, a great athlete and has a 53% completion rate.

Allen (Buffalo), a great athlete and had a 56% completion rate.

 

[Phrazbit]

Richardson, a great athlete and has a 53% completion rate.

Allen (Buffalo), a great athlete and had a 56% completion rate.

It's rare that a player improves on inaccuracy, not the norm

Also, Allen was a big time prospect going into his junior year and he wasn't surrounded by the level of talent Richardson had at Florida.

Richardson was terrible on film, his stock is going up because he is running around an empty field and throwing it to trainers.

This reminds me of when Yi Jianlian had his stock climb prior to the NBA draft because of his workout footwork while being guarded by... a chair...

 

[QuebecCard]

It's rare that a player improves on inaccuracy, not the norm

Also, Allen was a big time prospect going into his junior year and he wasn't surrounded by the level of talent Richardson had at Florida.

Richardson was terrible on film, his stock is going up because he is running around an empty field and throwing it to trainers.

This reminds me of when Yi Jianlian had his stock climb prior to the NBA draft because of his workout footwork while being guarded by... a chair...

Fans say that...

But almost all the young guns in the NFL have higher completion percentages than in College.

Not saying he'll be a success, by the way.

 

[QuebecCard]

Simeon Rice or Jonathan Ogden?

Ogden, of course, but if I'm the defensive coordinator I don't have to line up Simeon against him.

 

[rusfletcher]

It's rare that a player improves on inaccuracy, not the norm

Also, Allen was a big time prospect going into his junior year and he wasn't surrounded by the level of talent Richardson had at Florida.

Richardson was terrible on film, his stock is going up because he is running around an empty field and throwing it to trainers.

This reminds me of when Yi Jianlian had his stock climb prior to the NBA draft because of his workout footwork while being guarded by... a chair...

Although Richardson had better talent around him, he also went up against far superior competition versus Allen.