Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?

[Mainstreet]

so what's the bottom line here? who won the suns/sixer deal? suns. in a big way. barkley took them from playoff team to perennial contender status while the sixers slid into mediocrity. suns front office should take a lesson from that trade, 'cuz in this trade we're playing the role of the sixers.

take curry outta the mix and it's a laugher.

This is why the Suns need at least one legitimate star quality player out of the deal. Your analysis might also be compared to the JJ trade.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

This is why the Suns need at least one legitimate star quality player out of the deal. Your analysis might also be compared to the JJ trade.

Totally agree with both you and Ouchie, it's the 3 nickels for a quarter trade. If the NBA has proven anything, it's that you need at least 2 legit stars to have any chance. No team wins anything with a bunch of good but not great players. While Amare has his flaws, you can build around him.

 

[Covert Rain]

even w/ curry included this has barkley trade written all over it. follow this . . .

barkley for horny, lang, and perry

amare for curry, biedrins, wright, belinelli

barkley was older it wasn't known if he would deteriorate quickly. amare is younger but has injury concerns. similar value.

horny was a proven commodity. undersized unathletic combo guard. curry is considered a high upside (though i'm not sure why) undersized unathletic combo guard. call 'em a a wash.

lang was an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center with considered upside. biedrins is an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center. biedrins is slightly more valuable here.

perry was a slightly undersized disappointing high draft pick of a power forward. wright thus far has been a disappointing undersized high draft pick of a power forward. hard to call this a wash b/c we all knew perry was a relative bust and wright still has bulk of career ahead of him, but at the time of both trades, this is likely a wash.

belinelli or azuibuike add a little more value, though neither is a totally proven commodity and neither seemingly has all-star potential.

so biedrins' incremental added value plus the addition of belinelli/azubuike likely equates to the additional value that amare's youth provides.

so what's the bottom line here? who won the suns/sixer deal? suns. in a big way. barkley took them from playoff team to perennial contender status while the sixers slid into mediocrity. suns front office should take a lesson from that trade, 'cuz in this trade we're playing the role of the sixers.

take curry outta the mix and it's a laugher.

Post of the day.

 

[devilalum]

When Curry was included I thought it was more like the Nance trade.

And Amare will NEVER have a season like Barkley's MVP first year with the Suns. IF the crappy version of this deal goes through the Warriors will still be lucky to squeak into the playoffs next season.

 

[Covert Rain]

When Curry was included I thought it was more like the Nance trade.

And Amare will NEVER have a season like Barkley's MVP first year with the Suns. IF the crappy version of this deal goes through the Warriors will still be lucky to squeak into the playoffs next season.

Disagree. With Amare and Randolph next to each other, that team will make the playoffs. It will make them relevant which I think was his point. That's also the reason that any pick GS throws our way will be useless. We have to get a Curry or Randolph in that deal. Even if we get Curry, we are handing GS a playoff birth IMO by them adding Amare.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

even w/ curry included this has barkley trade written all over it. follow this . . .

barkley for horny, lang, and perry

amare for curry, biedrins, wright, belinelli

barkley was older it wasn't known if he would deteriorate quickly. amare is younger but has injury concerns. similar value.

horny was a proven commodity. undersized unathletic combo guard. curry is considered a high upside (though i'm not sure why) undersized unathletic combo guard. call 'em a a wash.

lang was an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center with considered upside. biedrins is an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center. biedrins is slightly more valuable here.

perry was a slightly undersized disappointing high draft pick of a power forward. wright thus far has been a disappointing undersized high draft pick of a power forward. hard to call this a wash b/c we all knew perry was a relative bust and wright still has bulk of career ahead of him, but at the time of both trades, this is likely a wash.

belinelli or azuibuike add a little more value, though neither is a totally proven commodity and neither seemingly has all-star potential.

so biedrins' incremental added value plus the addition of belinelli/azubuike likely equates to the additional value that amare's youth provides.

so what's the bottom line here? who won the suns/sixer deal? suns. in a big way. barkley took them from playoff team to perennial contender status while the sixers slid into mediocrity. suns front office should take a lesson from that trade, 'cuz in this trade we're playing the role of the sixers.

take curry outta the mix and it's a laugher.

Truth

Thats why I think all this posturing by GS has been preposterous. Even with Curry and Wright in that trade they know they are making out and taking a slight risk on a guy that fits them perfectly. And I still don't get why GS thinks its a good idea to have a primarly Curry/Ellis backcourt. That may be taking small ball too literal in that case and thats a lot of money they just put into Ellis. I like Curry but Ellis is the more proven commodity.

It's all gamesmanship. To be honest I would get Curry AND Randolph in this trade along with Bellini and Beans. I might include a high upside guy like Earl Clark or Barbos to sweeten the pot if I have to make that deal go down.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Disagree. With Amare and Randolph next to each other, that team will make the playoffs. It will make them relevant which I think was his point. That's also the reason that any pick GS throws our way will be useless. We have to get a Curry or Randolph in that deal. Even if we get Curry, we are handing GS a playoff birth IMO by them adding Amare.

Do you think that the Warriors would be better than Dallas, Utah, or New Orleans? I don't. A warrior squad with Ellis/Jax/Maggette/Randolph/Amare would be one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

 

[Covert Rain]

Do you think that the Warriors would be better than Dallas, Utah, or New Orleans? I don't. A warrior squad with Ellis/Jax/Maggette/Randolph/Amare would be one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

The Suns have already proven that being one of the worst defensive teams can still mean playoff birth if you have enough offense.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The Suns have already proven that being one of the worst defensive teams can still mean playoff birth if you have enough offense.

We were typically middle of the road defensively during the D'Antoni years. We at least had Raja and Trix. Regardless, I agree with your premise that we shouldn't substitute Curry or Randolph for next year's pick. In fact, I'm leaning towards just nixing the whole thing, Curry or no Curry. Either wait until the trade deadline when Amare's value is higher, or let him come off the books and sign a guy like Boozer.

 

[Ryanwb]

I heard on Colin Cowherd that the deal is likely dead because Amare doesn't want to sign a long term deal with GS

 

[devilalum]

Comparing Amare to Barkley is ludicrous. Barkley was all world when the Suns made the deal to get him. He started on the original Dream Team, he was a rebounding machine.

 

[SirStefan32]

The Suns have already proven that being one of the worst defensive teams can still mean playoff birth if you have enough offense.

First of all, Suns were never THAT bad defensively. Team defense sucked, but they had some individual defensive players.
Additionally, Suns offense had Steve Nash. Monta Elis and Steph Curry are not Steve Nash. While I am constantly complaining about him not being able to guard a chair, he is a running point guard like no other. He is the prototype of a running PG. As far as run and gun point guards go, there is nobody that comes even close to Steve Nash. On top of all that, he is one of the best shooters in the NBA. Monta Elis is an undersized running shooting guard who is an average shooter at best. Curry is a rookie. Even if he is going to be as good as some people think (myself included), he is not going to make THAT much impact his first season or two.
Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, Jazz, Mavs, Hornets, and Blazers are definitely better than Warriros with Amare, Curry, and Randolph. Houston and Clippers are about as good (assuming they stay healthy), and Suns might even be better depending on what they do this summer.

 

[JS22]

Trade for Chandler, let Hill come back, call it a day. Let Amare go out and dominate in a contract year. Give him a full season with Gentry and see what he does. I know I rag on his defense and rebounding, but Amare is an insane talent offensively.

If you plug a solid defender like Chandler in the middle it would solve most of the problems the Suns have. Plus, he compliments Amare perfectly. Great rebounder, shot blocker, inside defender. It allows Amare to help on defense, which he is actually good at, and get out on the break.

If you pair Chandler with Amare, in a contract year, I wouldn't be shocked if he went for 29/9. It's also one less mouth to feed. (Shaq) Amare would be getting most of Shaq's touches.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Comparing Amare to Barkley is ludicrous. Barkley was all world when the Suns made the deal to get him. He started on the original Dream Team, he was a rebounding machine.

you memory is selective. when the deal went down there was a lot of talk regarding whether barkley still had enough juice to make a difference. he spent the prior season outta shape with the sixers. the reason that i recall this so vividly is that i was really eager to watch the dream team to see how much gas he had left in the tank and was shocked and thrilled beyond reason when he was the player that went out and completely dominated. but that was AFTER the trade went down. before the trade there was reason to question how much he had left.

and yeah, he was a rebounding machine and amare is not. but i'm not really trying to compare them as players as much as i'm comparing the two deals, and if you care to argue that point, well, i realize i'm not talking with someone who has any chance of understanding my reasoning, so we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[devilalum]

well, i realize i'm not talking with someone who has any chance of understanding my reasoning, so we'll just agree to disagree.

Why did you feel the need to attack me personally?

 

[AsUdUdE]

And that's a bad thing? Good to see that they (hopefully) won't cave and let the Warriors "win." If GS screwed the Suns, why continue to work with them and accept less?

Its not a bad thing.. I was just pointing out that sounds like Sarver... And IMO Sarver most likely walked away out of Spite and not Moral or Principal.... Just sayin..

 

[shazaam6]

Comparing Amare to Barkley is ludicrous. Barkley was all world when the Suns made the deal to get him. He started on the original Dream Team, he was a rebounding machine.

So, what ouchie did was ludicrous?
You "attack" what he wrote

you memory is selective. when the deal went down there was a lot of talk regarding whether barkley still had enough juice to make a difference. he spent the prior season outta shape with the sixers. the reason that i recall this so vividly is that i was really eager to watch the dream team to see how much gas he had left in the tank and was shocked and thrilled beyond reason when he was the player that went out and completely dominated. but that was AFTER the trade went down. before the trade there was reason to question how much he had left.

and yeah, he was a rebounding machine and amare is not. but i'm not really trying to compare them as players as much as i'm comparing the two deals, and if you care to argue that point, well, i realize i'm not talking with someone who has any chance of understanding my reasoning, so we'll just agree to disagree.

The key words are "if" and "my".
He explains specifically what he meant

Why did you feel the need to attack me personally?

You claim he attacked you.
The irony

(this is not an attack just trying to clarify for my own clarification)

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Why did you feel the need to attack me personally?

sorry if you took it that way. it wasn't meant to be an attack. just kinda nipping the convo in the bud if it was just going to go 'round and 'round.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So, what ouchie did was ludicrous?
You "attack" what he wrote



The key words are "if" and "my".
He explains specifically what he meant



You claim he attacked you.
The irony

(this is not an attack just trying to clarify for my own clarification)

thx shazaam. you explained it perfectly.

 

[devilalum]

So, what ouchie did was ludicrous?
You "attack" what he wrote



The key words are "if" and "my".
He explains specifically what he meant



You claim he attacked you.
The irony

(this is not an attack just trying to clarify for my own clarification)

So you're saying that Amare and Barkley are even remotely similar players?

Calling that comparison ludicrous and saying

i realize i'm not talking with someone who has any chance of understanding my reasoning

are not even close. I said the comparison is ludicrous, I didn't question anybodies intelligence.

All I did was disagree, I thought that was the idea here.

 

[shazaam6]

ouchie compared the deals Barkley to Phx and Amare to Golden State.

You called that ludicrous because Barkley was a better rebounder and dominated on the dream team.

Ouchie said he wasn't comparing the players abilities and he agreed with you about Barkley being a better rebounder but if you want to keep talking about comparing their skills as players you aren't comprehending what he is talking about and he will agree to disagree.

You claimed he attacked you personally.

I still find this funny.

 

[shazaam6]

ouchies original post talked about and compared the other players involved in the two trade deals. Not Barkley and Amare themselves and how they compared to each other.

For example If I say Schwarzenegger and Stallone were two similar big name action movie guys in the 80's.

You say "That is ridiculous, they weren't like each other at all. One went into politics and had a stable marriage and the other isn't in politics got married/divorced and dated supermodels a lot."

I say I was talking about their movies, but if you don't understand that we can just drop it.

Then you say "Why did you attack me?"



I think it's funny.



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(Funny how like I amuse you? I make you laugh. How am I funny?)

 

[az jam]

Funny how? Like I amuse you. I make you laugh. How am I funny?

Sounds like a line from "The Goodfellas".

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Sounds like a line from "The Goodfellas".

Just make sure to keep shazaam away from any ball point pens

 

[shazaam6]

Sounds like a line from "The Goodfellas".

Yeah it is
I was going to link the youtube video but maybe too many f bombs.