Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?

[OldDirtMcGirt]

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And even if he does opt out, his expiring contract is worth more than role player potpouri that the dubs are offering. The golden rule of trading superstars is that you need to get somebody with superstar potential back. This current incarnation of the GW trade fails miserably in that regard. Azubuike, Turiaf, and Biedrins are nice role players, but they only help when you use them to surround your all-stars. Plus Biedrins and Turiaf have long contracts, which would kill our cap flexibility.

 

[SirStefan32]

Biedrins
Belienelli
Auzibuke
Turiaf

For STAT

Hell no!

 

[AsUdUdE]

From a guy on RealGM who has been right many times before and has a lot of respect from other posters.

Actually I got it from YahooSports...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...ion-starring-Amare-s-going-awa?urn=nba,173514

Maybe THEY got it from RealGM?

 

[AsUdUdE]

Unacceptable. If that's the best offer, keep Stoudemire for two more years. He's already learning that it's probably not a good idea to opt out this summer, because the market for him isn't as strong as he and his agent thought.

That is a VERY good point..and with about a Gazzillion other F.A.'s out there for 2010, maybe he stays one more year to see what will happend..

Ultimately I think he will opt out anyway, but there he HAS to reconize the enormous red flags surrounding him at the moment right?

 

[overseascardfan]

I wouldn't accept any deal now if it didn't include Biedrens, Randolph & Curry, hell that's all they would have to give up to make it happen. Randolph was in Nellie's dog house most of the year and Curry is pretty much a Monta Ellis clone, why not trade them and get an All Star PF who is only 26, and will sign an extension before the deal is completed.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

My advice at this point? Well, the deal isn't fair, but if we don't make a move soon, it'll turn into Leandro, Amare, and 5 future firsts for a couple conditional 2nds, and of course, CASH!!! And we'll all celebrate our coveted flexibility! This team has turned from one of the premier NBA franchises to a laughingstock. Thanks Bob.

Boiler plate noob fan reply: h3y r3m3mber joo can't 3xpect t00 much for teh amar3.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I wouldn't accept any deal now if it didn't include Biedrens, Randolph & Curry, hell that's all they would have to give up to make it happen. Randolph was in Nellie's dog house most of the year and Curry is pretty much a Monta Ellis clone, why not trade them and get an All Star PF who is only 26, and will sign an extension before the deal is completed.

LOL! you're crazy... Randolph showed the dubs alot in the last 6 weeks of the season and is no longer in "the dog house." That is WAY to much to give up for Amare. Stat still has a lot of question marks in the eyes of other NBA team whether it is justified or not. To take the position that PHX is in the stregth position is a big mistake. The fact alone that Amare can opt out next season takes all the power away from Kerr and the Suns even without considering the microfracture surgery and the detached reitna.

 

[binkar]

I wouldn't accept any deal now if it didn't include Biedrens, Randolph & Curry, hell that's all they would have to give up to make it happen. Randolph was in Nellie's dog house most of the year and Curry is pretty much a Monta Ellis clone, why not trade them and get an All Star PF who is only 26, and will sign an extension before the deal is completed.

Although I don't think Ellis and Curry make a good fit together in the backcourt, I would disagree that they are "clones" of each other. Curry is much more of a poor shooter who will be deadly coming off of screens and probably passes the ball a bit better than Ellis. Ellis is more of an athletic slasher who relies on his quickness and athleticism to get to the hoop.

But like I said, I don't feel like they make a great fit together in the backcourt.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

Turiaf will be a solid backup...at least better than Lopez (our only center now)
Az has also some potential. We haven't seen much of Belli yet, probably the worst piece in this package...
You can't expect too much in return for STAT. Many people still question his long term health and , as everyone knows, his personality and D-fenceless game does not fit every team.
I'd love the 2010 first round pick from them since we don't have ours. It's crucial if we want to rebuild.....

For anyone thinking that the Suns can get Golden State's first round pick in 2010 in any deal with the Warriors, think again. The Warriors already traded their 2011 first round pick to the Nets. Since you can not give away your own first round pick 2 years in a row, the Warriors will not be able to trade their 2010 and 2012 first round picks.

 

[Forrestham]

I think these GMS around the league beleive Kerr will blink 1st, Obviously it is for good reason. If Curry is not included walk away and please don't give in. Try to get Chandler and if Amare walks theres plenty of caproom

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think these GMS around the league beleive Kerr will blink 1st, Obviously it is for good reason. If Curry is not included walk away and please don't give in. Try to get Chandler and if Amare walks theres plenty of caproom

Completely agree. If we don't get decent value for Amare, hold onto him, he'll put up monster numbers in Gentry's system, then decide whether to re-sign him, or trade him when his value is high. Paired up with a player like Chandler, Amare can be Amare, and Chandler can do the dirty work on the boards and defense.

 

[overseascardfan]

LOL! you're crazy... Randolph showed the dubs alot in the last 6 weeks of the season and is no longer in "the dog house." That is WAY to much to give up for Amare. Stat still has a lot of question marks in the eyes of other NBA team whether it is justified or not. To take the position that PHX is in the stregth position is a big mistake. The fact alone that Amare can opt out next season takes all the power away from Kerr and the Suns even without considering the microfracture surgery and the detached reitna.

Let's see Curry hasn't played a game yet so you have to go on potential. Randolph had a good 6 weeks, where was he up until that point, he was in the doghouse for a reason. Dragic had a great last 6 weeks doesn't mean he's proven himself yet. Amare is a 26 year old All Star PF, he may not play defense but Randolph isn't a stopper either. Amare makes that team better than they'd be with Randolph and Curry. The garbage GS is trying to sell us is ridiculous and they need to include either Randolph or Curry but since they want to keep Wright they need to include both.

 

[overseascardfan]

Although I don't think Ellis and Curry make a good fit together in the backcourt, I would disagree that they are "clones" of each other. Curry is much more of a poor shooter who will be deadly coming off of screens and probably passes the ball a bit better than Ellis. Ellis is more of an athletic slasher who relies on his quickness and athleticism to get to the hoop.

But like I said, I don't feel like they make a great fit together in the backcourt.

They are roughly the same size, more of a 2-guard than PG, Curry is actually the better shooter as he was considered the best shooter in the draft. Plus GS now has Acie Law and Speedy Claxton, how many PG's do they need?

 

[binkar]

They are roughly the same size, more of a 2-guard than PG, Curry is actually the better shooter as he was considered the best shooter in the draft. Plus GS now has Acie Law and Speedy Claxton, how many PG's do they need?

Haha I meant pure. He's definitely not a poor shooter. My bad.

That's why I was saying aside from their size, their games are very different. But the current makeup of their backcourt puzzles me.

I also think it is too early to deem Curry more of a 2-guard than a PG. He played for team where he had to create nearly all of the offense. It will be interesting to see how his game takes shape when surrounded by NBA talent.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Let's see Curry hasn't played a game yet so you have to go on potential. Randolph had a good 6 weeks, where was he up until that point, he was in the doghouse for a reason. Dragic had a great last 6 weeks doesn't mean he's proven himself yet. Amare is a 26 year old All Star PF, he may not play defense but Randolph isn't a stopper either. Amare makes that team better than they'd be with Randolph and Curry. The garbage GS is trying to sell us is ridiculous and they need to include either Randolph or Curry but since they want to keep Wright they need to include both.

If you've ever seen Randolph play you'll know why they wont consider moving him...

I was responding to the post that wanted Randolph, Biedrins, AND Curry. That is crazy talk. Again, you have to acknowledge that Amare can opt out after this season and that fact alone severely decreases PHX's leverage in any trade then factor in percieved injury concerns and the Warrior's deal is about as good as it will get from any team in the league.

 

[Folster]

Rumor on the internets is Golden State is trying to get their first rounder back from New Jersey so they can trade us a first rounder. I'd be open to a first rounder if has limited protection, top 3 at the most. Although, unprotected seems fair after the crap they put us through. Is the following trade enough to get it done?

Beidrins
Wright
Azubuike
2010 first rounder unprotected

I want the Suns to be able to choose the player they like most between Azuibuke, Morrow, and Belinelli. Maybe we can throw in Tucker and choose two of the three. We should also try to get their 2012 pick out of them as well (I could go with lotto protection on that one).

 

[Covert Rain]

Rumor on the internets is Golden State is trying to get their first rounder back from New Jersey so they can trade us a first rounder. I'd be open to a first rounder if has limited protection, top 3 at the most. Although, unprotected seems fair after the crap they put us through. Is the following trade enough to get it done?

Beidrins
Wright
Aubuike
2010 first rounder unprotected

I want the Suns to be able to choose the player they like most between Azuibuke, Morrow, and Belinelli. Maybe we can throw in Tucker and choose two of the three. We should also try to get their 2012 pick out of them as well (I could go with lotto protection on that one).

For me the answer is still no. Golden State has been getting competitive and if they get Amare, they will rack up some wins as long as he is there. Which means that pick is not going to be a great pick. You have to get a high potential player or solid Front Court player IMO or you still say no to Golden State.

No Curry or Randolph and I still say no.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Rumor on the internets is Golden State is trying to get their first rounder back from New Jersey so they can trade us a first rounder. I'd be open to a first rounder if has limited protection, top 3 at the most. Although, unprotected seems fair after the crap they put us through. Is the following trade enough to get it done?

Beidrins
Wright
Aubuike
2010 first rounder unprotected

I want the Suns to be able to choose the player they like most between Azuibuke, Morrow, and Belinelli. Maybe we can throw in Tucker and choose two of the three. We should also try to get their 2012 pick out of them as well (I could go with lotto protection on that one).

I'd do it if they threw in Bellinelli. I don't think a team of Ellis/Curry/Jackson/Randolph/Amare is making the playoffs in the West.

 

[nashman]

Steeldog

For me the answer is still no. Golden State has been getting competitive and if they get Amare, they will rack up some wins as long as he is there. Which means that pick is not going to be a great pick. You have to get a high potential player or solid Front Court player IMO or you still say no to Golden State.

No Curry or Randolph and I still say no.

100% agree! Curry or Randolph have to be in any trade with GS if not no deal the pick would be total garbage as they would prob make the playoffs adding Amare to thier mix!

 

[asuhoopsnut]

Anything less than Randolph or Curry in the deal = No Deal

It is so important for the Suns front office to not give in to the Warriors in this transaction. By holding their ground on this one, will finally send a message to the rest of the league that they will not be pushovers any more. Any deal without Curry or Randolph in it is a diluted value trade and should not be acceptable to the front office or the fans!

 

[Folster]

LOL! I just thought that Kerr should wait for GS to trade for their pick back (Hopefully GS will take on a bad contract to get it) and then say, "Nevermind, we're going to keep Amare."

 

[boisesuns]

LOL! I just thought that Kerr should wait for GS to trade for their pick back (Hopefully GS will take on a bad contract to get it) and then say, "Nevermind, we're going to keep Amare."

That would be great, except kerr would probably just throw in barbosa if they did.

 

[devilalum]

Getting GS's #1 next year with no protection would be a giant PR boost for the Suns. They are going to look really stupid next June when they have to give their top 5 pick to OKC. Everybody will be talking about how they gave it away to save money. Having GS's pick will help.

 

[nashman]

yeah right we are going to have a top 5 pick get a clue thats not going to happen!

 

[elindholm]

Beidrins
Wright
Azubuike
2010 first rounder unprotected

Or top-5 protected would be fine. The Suns were happy to make the deal with Jordan Hill instead of Curry, and I'm not sold on either of them. I think Wright is a critical piece, so as long as someone else with "potential" is included -- and a likely mid-lottery pick in next year's draft qualifies -- I think the Suns are doing okay.

Maybe we can throw in Tucker and choose two of the three.

No one wants Tucker. No one has ever wanted Tucker, including the Suns, who drafted him only because they knew the fans would revolt if they sold both first-round picks that year. There is no scenario in which the inclusion of Tucker sweetens any deal.