Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?

[asuhoopsnut]

Getting GS's #1 next year with no protection would be a giant PR boost for the Suns. They are going to look really stupid next June when they have to give their top 5 pick to OKC. Everybody will be talking about how they gave it away to save money. Having GS's pick will help.

With Amare, Golden State is most likely a playoff team and the pick could be in the #14-22 range. That pick together with the other players mentioned in the deal (Biedrins, Wright, Bellinelli/Azubuike) would not be a good deal for the Suns. This deal could set this team back for the next 5 plus years. Don't do it Kerr/Sarver/Griffen. Don't give in!

No Curry or Randolph = No Deal

 

[tobiazz]

As someone mentioned on this site already, GS CANNOT include its 2010 pick. They sent a conditional 2011 pick to NJ for Marcus Williams. GS would have to get that pick back first.

It would be much smarter to trade for our own 2010 pick if we are sending Amare somewhere for scrubs.

 

[tobiazz]

The rub on any trade with GS is that Amare would have to pass a physical and agree to a less than max contract extension. If he can do those two things, why not keep him here?

If I were the GM I would demand Randolph/Curry + Biedrins + Wright. We can throw in Amundson as a PF backup for them. The ceiling is too low on Azu/Belinelli and they are both far from complete players. Between Randolph, Wright, and Clark we'd have to end up with a good player or two in three years.

 

[Folster]

No one wants Tucker. No one has ever wanted Tucker, including the Suns, who drafted him only because they knew the fans would revolt if they sold both first-round picks that year. There is no scenario in which the inclusion of Tucker sweetens any deal.

Agreed. Tucker wasn't a sweetener for Golden State in my proposed deal; Golden State taking him was a sweetner for Phoenix for not getting Curry so we could take back both Belinelli and Azubuike. I think it would be wise not to make a 4 for 1 trade especially since we might move Richardson for multiple contracts. Tucker is useless now; imagine if we get back Belinelli and Azubuike in return who both play his position. Might as well throw him in if we can.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

LOL! I just thought that Kerr should wait for GS to trade for their pick back (Hopefully GS will take on a bad contract to get it) and then say, "Nevermind, we're going to keep Amare."

That is too funny. I'd love to see that happen!

 

[Skumbag]

Randolph + Curry + Beans = Amare
Randolph + Curry + Beans + Wright = Amare + Sweet Lou

 

[asuhoopsnut]

As someone mentioned on this site already, GS CANNOT include its 2010 pick. They sent a conditional 2011 pick to NJ for Marcus Williams. GS would have to get that pick back first.

It would be much smarter to trade for our own 2010 pick if we are sending Amare somewhere for scrubs.

Tobiazz ...... You probably did not see that it was me that brought up that Golden State cannot trade the 2010 pick because they already traded the 2011 pick and we know that they can't trade their own first round picks two years in a row. If you look a few posts before yours, Golden State is now trying to re-acquire their 2011 pick from New Jersey so that they can put the 2010 pick back into trade discussions with the Suns. That's what I was responding to in the above post.

 

[Folster]

Randolph + Curry + Beans = Amare
Randolph + Curry + Beans + Wright = Amare + Sweet Lou

You are going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[tobiazz]

Tobiazz ...... You probably did not see that it was me that brought up that Golden State cannot trade the 2010 pick because they already traded the 2011 pick and we know that they can't trade their own first round picks two years in a row. If you look a few posts before yours, Golden State is now trying to re-acquire their 2011 pick from New Jersey so that they can put the 2010 pick back into trade discussions with the Suns. That's what I was responding to in the above post.

Yeah, I only looked at the last page of the thread.

I don't that pick excites me much at all but it would be nice to acquire future picks and follow the POR/OKC method of rebuilding a team.

 

[devilalum]

yeah right we are going to have a top 5 pick get a clue thats not going to happen!

I'm right and I'm wrong.

The Suns will be in the lotto and somehow the pick will be top 5. (see Suns curse)

The Suns will not "have" the pick because they will have to give the pick to OKC.

also, I didn't say it was a good idea for the Suns to trade for this pick. I just said I thought they might do it to help save face next June.

 

[nashman]

No Curry or Randolf = NO TRADE PERIOD not going to happen! (guess I shouldn't say that as Kerr has yet to make any right moves for this team!)

 

[mojorizen7]

This has to be quick because I’m writing my column for tomorrow’s paper, on guess what…
Two high-placed NBA sources this afternoon said that Amare Stoudemire has little interest in joining the Warriors and indicated that the likeliest scenario at this point is for him to stay with the Suns this season.
It is not clear whether Stoudemire has expressed this to the Warriors, or relayed it to them, or if it’s a change of attitude from the hectic minutes during the draft, when it was widely assumed (by me, too) that the Warriors were close to acquiring Stoudemire.
It was also assumed that Stoudemire was either agreeable to the deal–and a potential max contract extension from the Warriors–or that he was at least willing to consider the notion of staying with the Warriors for the long-term as a condition to this deal.
But Stoudemire can become an unrestricted free agent next summer and it’s extremely unlikely that the Warriors or any team would give up bundles of talent to acquire him only to risk losing him after one season.

Stoudemire has told associates that he believes the Warriors could be giving up too much in the proposed deal (Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and a wrangle over Stephen Curry) to guarantee that he’d be in a successful situation this season.
He also apparently is reluctant to play center, and it’s generally assumed that his natural position under Don Nelson would be center, next to Anthony Randolph.
All of this could change, of course. Feelings change. Discussions continue. I have not heard that the talks are dead, at least between the Warriors and Suns.
But if Stoudemire has little interest in joining the Warriors, even if there’s a max extension involved, then it’s hard to see how this deal ever gets done.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...0/amare_has_little_interest_in_golden_state/#
I hope he stays.

 

[cly2tw]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...0/amare_has_little_interest_in_golden_state/#
I hope he stays.

Now even nashman alluded that Amare were worth more than Randolph or Curry, there is a chance that this happens.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...0/amare_has_little_interest_in_golden_state/#
I hope he stays.

See, even Amare believes the Warrios would be giving up too much for him...

 

[elindholm]

Didn't Stoudemire just say a couple of weeks ago that any new team he joined would become an instant contender?

 

[cly2tw]

Didn't Stoudemire just say a couple of weeks ago that any new team he joined would become an instant contender?

I thought he only specifically said that the Wizards might just be a #1 away for winning the title.

 

[AsUdUdE]

A couple of pieces of news Via Tweets from Bucher

Last night: @kdaewoo Hard to read: 1 Suns source says it'll happen. Another says prob not. Nelly is crowing he's getting Amare. 2nd Ws source not sure

This morning in response to That MORON Bousard on ESPN, about Amare and the contract: @organizedchaos_ Posturing sounds right. But I'm told Suns owner is ticked over how GS handled Amare trade talk. May pull plug out of spite.

That last commnt sounds an awful lot like something Sarver would do...I ultimately think this deal is probabl done, but I am holding out hope..

 

[JS22]

A couple of pieces of news Via Tweets from Bucher

Last night: @kdaewoo Hard to read: 1 Suns source says it'll happen. Another says prob not. Nelly is crowing he's getting Amare. 2nd Ws source not sure

This morning in response to That MORON Bousard on ESPN, about Amare and the contract: @organizedchaos_ Posturing sounds right. But I'm told Suns owner is ticked over how GS handled Amare trade talk. May pull plug out of spite.

That last commnt sounds an awful lot like something Sarver would do...I ultimately think this deal is probabl done, but I am holding out hope..

And that's a bad thing? Good to see that they (hopefully) won't cave and let the Warriors "win." If GS screwed the Suns, why continue to work with them and accept less?

 

[MastersofCombat]

Trading Amare is stupid, the Successful teams are made up of Impact players. You can trade for every non-impact player in the league and your still the clippers.

 

[Chaplin]

And that's a bad thing? Good to see that they (hopefully) won't cave and let the Warriors "win." If GS screwed the Suns, why continue to work with them and accept less?

Exactly.

 

[Mulli]

And that's a bad thing? Good to see that they (hopefully) won't cave and let the Warriors "win." If GS screwed the Suns, why continue to work with them and accept less?

I agree, if the Suns don't like how the Warriors have negotiated, the Suns should walk away until the Warriors meet their demands.

 

[Kolo]

But I'm told Suns owner is ticked over how GS handled Amare trade talk. May pull plug out of spite.

That last commnt sounds an awful lot like something Sarver would do...I ultimately think this deal is probabl done, but I am holding out hope..

Sarver ought to be ticked at Kerr over how Kerr didn't ensure that the Suns got whoever was picked at #7.

 

[Covert Rain]

If the Suns take less then what was agreed upon, I will officially join the Kerr/Sarver must go bandwagon. If the Suns take less because Golden State changed their minds this will forever show the league that you can push the Suns front office around if you want as long as Sarver/Kerr are in charge.

We are not talking about the Knicks, Celtics or Lakers pulling one over on the Suns. We are talking about the Golden State Warriors.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

even w/ curry included this has barkley trade written all over it. follow this . . .

barkley for horny, lang, and perry

amare for curry, biedrins, wright, belinelli

barkley was older it wasn't known if he would deteriorate quickly. amare is younger but has injury concerns. similar value.

horny was a proven commodity. undersized unathletic combo guard. curry is considered a high upside (though i'm not sure why) undersized unathletic combo guard. call 'em a a wash.

lang was an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center with considered upside. biedrins is an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center. biedrins is slightly more valuable here.

perry was a slightly undersized disappointing high draft pick of a power forward. wright thus far has been a disappointing undersized high draft pick of a power forward. hard to call this a wash b/c we all knew perry was a relative bust and wright still has bulk of career ahead of him, but at the time of both trades, this is likely a wash.

belinelli or azuibuike add a little more value, though neither is a totally proven commodity and neither seemingly has all-star potential.

so biedrins' incremental added value plus the addition of belinelli/azubuike likely equates to the additional value that amare's youth provides.

so what's the bottom line here? who won the suns/sixer deal? suns. in a big way. barkley took them from playoff team to perennial contender status while the sixers slid into mediocrity. suns front office should take a lesson from that trade, 'cuz in this trade we're playing the role of the sixers.

take curry outta the mix and it's a laugher.

 

[sundevilscott]

even w/ curry included this has barkley trade written all over it. follow this . . .

barkley for horny, lang, and perry

amare for curry, biedrins, wright, belinelli

barkley was older it wasn't known if he would deteriorate quickly. amare is younger but has injury concerns. similar value.

horny was a proven commodity. undersized unathletic combo guard. curry is considered a high upside (though i'm not sure why) undersized unathletic combo guard. call 'em a a wash.

lang was an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center with considered upside. biedrins is an offensively challenged defensive athletic young center. biedrins is slightly more valuable here.

perry was a slightly undersized disappointing high draft pick of a power forward. wright thus far has been a disappointing undersized high draft pick of a power forward. hard to call this a wash b/c we all knew perry was a relative bust and wright still has bulk of career ahead of him, but at the time of both trades, this is likely a wash.

belinelli or azuibuike add a little more value, though neither is a totally proven commodity and neither seemingly has all-star potential.

so biedrins' incremental added value plus the addition of belinelli/azubuike likely equates to the additional value that amare's youth provides.

so what's the bottom line here? who won the suns/sixer deal? suns. in a big way. barkley took them from playoff team to perennial contender status while the sixers slid into mediocrity. suns front office should take a lesson from that trade, 'cuz in this trade we're playing the role of the sixers.

take curry outta the mix and it's a laugher.