Real Gm: Suns Not Interested In Marion, Beasley? WTH

[DevonCardsFan]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57136/20090210/suns_not_interested_in_marion_beasley/

Mike McGraw of the Daily Herald is reporting that the Phoenix Suns have little interest in Miami forwards Michael Beasley or Shawn Marion in any deal involving Amare Stoudemire.

Phoenix, apparently, view Tyrus Thomas as a better fit than Beasley.

The Suns traded Marion to the Heat for center Shaquille O'Neal last year.


Tyrus Thomas, I like Thomas, but Not over Beasley and Marion, Isn't Marion and beasley about as much value as you can get for Amare??? I hate the Suns Front Office, there complete Morons!!

 

[Covert Rain]

I agree that we should be able to do better then Tyrus Thomas but the deal would not be just for Tyrus Thomas.

Having said that I HATE the idea of bringing Marion back here even more. Marion cannot guard PF effectively. If you look at Marion's Opposing PPG against PF...it's horrible. If you look at Marion's Opposing PPG against SF this year it's not that great either. Marion is not the same defensive player anymore.

The Suns need to get a PF in return for Amare, not a redundant SF in Shawn Marion. This team doesn't need Shawn Marion with Hill playing so well. Look at Hill and Marion's numbers. They are close at SF and Marion makes alot more money. There is zero reason to bring Marion here. Not to mention that Marion was a malcontent at the end here.

Bravo to the Suns for turning down any deal involving Marion.

 

[Shzm13]

Sigh..


we should just hold onto him then

 

[dreamcastrocks]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57136/20090210/suns_not_interested_in_marion_beasley/

Mike McGraw of the Daily Herald is reporting that the Phoenix Suns have little interest in Miami forwards Michael Beasley or Shawn Marion in any deal involving Amare Stoudemire.



Tyrus Thomas, I like Thomas, but Not over Beasley and Marion, Isn't Marion and beasley about as much value as you can get for Amare??? I hate the Suns Front Office, there complete Morons!!

The phrase was Beasley OR Marion, not both.

 

[hafey]

I would tend to agree with Kerr. What's Beasley's ceiling? Amare with 3pt range?

Beasley has the same questions as Amare: defense and rebounding. We would be engaging in the same practice the Suns have done for the last 6 years with Amare. Watch with excitement as Amare/Beasley becomes an offensive force while hoping one day that the defense and rebounding catch up. Not to mention Beasley is smaller than Amare.

 

[Shzm13]

I would tend to agree with Kerr. What's Beasley's ceiling? Amare with 3pt range?

Beasley has the same questions as Amare: defense and rebounding. We would be engaging in the same practice the Suns have done for the last 6 years with Amare. Watch with excitement as Amare/Beasley becomes an offensive force while hoping one day that the defense and rebounding catch up. Not to mention Beasley is smaller than Amare.

He comes a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

[hafey]

He comes a hell of a lot cheaper.

That's a good point. If Beasley is only making 5.5ish on his rookie contract in 2010, then its easier to surround him with the appropriate talent; easier than if Amare is making 20 million.

 

[Covert Rain]

He comes a hell of a lot cheaper.

Exactly. It makes more sense then Marion. However, the Suns evidentally don't want either. I am Ok with that.

 

[joshstmarie]

Beasley doesnt impress me, I havent watched him too much but he seems like he plays so damn small.

 

[Shzm13]

Beasley doesnt impress me, I havent watched him too much but he seems like he plays so damn small.

Agreed, he does get his 5-6 boards per game. But hes a huge liability on defense. It seems that just about anybody can post him down, and hes not as good a help defender as Amare is.

It doesnt really matter, since were not going to get him.

But what the hell can Kerr be thinking with Tyrus Thomas? He cant even crack the starting lineup on a team whos been needing a big man for a long time now. It doesnt make any sense at all.

 

[lou_skywalker]

yeah Beas has quiet down a lot after getting drafted.
i always preferred the chicago package anyways.

 

[nowagimp]

both beaseley and ty thomas are statistically worse defensively at the PF than amare(amare has the best defensive PER of the 3 at PF AND center). WHo will back up shaq? Amundsen can handle PF, but not C, he is not the answer for a backup. All are not as strong to hold position down low, and have notably smaller standing reach so they must jump to defend the position, ughhh! They are both really small forwards, thomas plays best as a SF offensively, just gets torched on D there. You just cant win the battle of either SF or PF with either of those guys. I cant blame kerr for not being interested in beaseley or marion. I hope he is not interested in thomas or noah either.

 

[Mainstreet]

Exactly. It makes more sense then Marion. However, the Suns evidentally don't want either. I am Ok with that.

My guess the Marion talk involved a trade for Shaq. The Suns would save LT money this year and Marion would be totally off the books next season. It makes financial sense. Now could the Suns get another big out of the deal? Also I wouldn't mind having Marion on a much cheaper contract next season.

 

[NastyOne]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1765~1727~3238~3418~2184~2009&teams=14~14~14~21~21~21&te=&cash=

Beasley, Haslem and James Jones for Amare, Barnes and Tucker.

They throw in a unprotected first rounder or two and we come away with a solid package for Amare.

But Kerr is ******** and will ruin this franchise by trading Amare for something ridiculous like Ty Thomas and junk. While he has some potential Thomas has had one good month in his entire career, but all of a sudden his value equals Amare's? wow just wow.

 

[Covert Rain]

My guess the Marion talk involved a trade for Shaq. The Suns would save LT money this year and Marion would be totally off the books next season. It makes financial sense. Now could the Suns get another big out of the deal? Also I wouldn't mind having Marion on a much cheaper contract next season.

I don't think so. All the reports center on the Heat picking up Amare. Besides there is no way the Heat take Shaq back and the Suns take Marion back. They both were making negative comments about their own teams at the time. Like I said all the reports I have seen were around the Heat making a deal for Amare not Shaq anyway.

So, if the Heat truly want Amare, the deal still makes no sense because Marion doesn't bring anything you don't already have, and the financial savings is moot.

 

[Griffin]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57136/20090210/suns_not_interested_in_marion_beasley/
Phoenix, apparently, view Tyrus Thomas as a better fit than Beasley.

Of course, this is the same management that valued Lopez above Speights and thought Dragic was the second best point guard in the draft. What worries me most about trading Amare is that I do not trust Kerr to make the right deal.

 

[Mainstreet]

Of course, this is the same management that valued Lopez above Speights and thought Dragic was the second best point guard in the draft. What worries me most about trading Amare is that I do not trust Kerr to make the right deal.

Maybe this is exactly why DA did not trust the draft. He knew Kerr and Griffin would be making the selections. Picks are not worth much without good scouts.

 

[Haren]

Maybe this is exactly why DA did not trust the draft. He knew Kerr and Griffin would be making the selections. Picks are not worth much without good scouts.

Is that why he didn't want Rondo?

 

[Mr. Boldin]

My guess is that they would be interested in Beasley, but the problem is with Marion.

Could you imagine Marion rejoining the Suns? If that deal went down I think it would be likely that the SUns would try to turn it into a 3 way, which wouldnt happen because most teams would think the Suns would rather waive Marion than have him on the roster for the rest of the year.

In a deal for Thomas the Suns would be getting back more pieces and wouldnt have to go through the PR nightmare of either keeping Marion for the season or waiving him.

 

[carey]

I think Boldin could be on to something. Maybe it's taking a while, and will take a little longer because they're looking for a third team to facilitate a deal? We get Beasley & a third team's something (PG? + expiring?) for Marion.

 

[Folster]

Despite being listed at 6'9", Beasley is only 6'7" (6'8" with shoes) according to pre-draft measurements. I'm not a big fan of undersized power forwards not named Charles Barkley. Folks, Beasely is a tweener.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think so. All the reports center on the Heat picking up Amare. Besides there is no way the Heat take Shaq back and the Suns take Marion back. They both were making negative comments about their own teams at the time. Like I said all the reports I have seen were around the Heat making a deal for Amare not Shaq anyway.

So, if the Heat truly want Amare, the deal still makes no sense because Marion doesn't bring anything you don't already have, and the financial savings is moot.

I think trading Shaq or Amare is more about saving LT money possibly this season and definitely for next season. Sure the Suns want picks and a player back but Sarver is all about money, especially now that the Suns are not playing well. Marion is a very hefty expiring contract. I'm not sure how the math would work with Amare. However, I'm sure Sarver is eyeing not paying Shaq 20 million next season if he feels the team is not going anywhere. I think trading Shaq for Marion works straight up. Does Sarver want to save 20 million... hmm?

In regard to players and teams opinions of each other that can change in a split second if there is something to be gained by both parties.

 

[Haren]

Can anyone explain to me what the point of rebuilding is if we don't even have our pick for next year? I'm sorry to remind you all of the KT trade, but I just want to know.

 

[Andrew]

Good, Beasley is grossly overrated and Marion is probably never welcomed here again...why would they trade back for Marion...makes no sense.

 

[Mainstreet]

Good, Beasley is grossly overrated and Marion is probably never welcomed here again...why would they trade back for Marion...makes no sense.

Marion is an expiring 17.5 million dollar contract.