ReHashed Trade Rumors

[elindholm]

The other potential scenario for the Clippers is a trade. They've been talking to the Suns about a deal that would send Corey Maggette and No. 7 to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa and No. 15.

Okay, I promised I wouldn't comment on any more trade rumors here after I incorrectly called BS on the O'Neal deal. But I just can't resist. This deal is so outrageously lopsided in favor of the Suns that it can't have any truth behind it. If the Clippers ever offered that deal and I were in charge of the Suns, I would say Yes before they even got the last punctuation mark out of their mouths.

 

[The Commish]

Okay, I promised I wouldn't comment on any more trade rumors here after I incorrectly called BS on the O'Neal deal. But I just can't resist. This deal is so outrageously lopsided in favor of the Suns that it can't have any truth behind it. If the Clippers ever offered that deal and I were in charge of the Suns, I would say Yes before they even got the last punctuation mark out of their mouths.

The only thing I can see is that they are worried about losing Maggette for nothing after his contract expires or that the chemistry issues are becoming more troublesome. But you're correct in the sense that it is completely lopsided in our favor and most likely too good to be true. Then again it is the Clippers so you can't underestimate stupidity.

 

[PhxGametime]

I would be in favor of the Maggette or Jefferson deal!

 

[Diamondback Jay]

No Ford for 9 mil a year as a 18 min per game backup!

Maybe he'd be a "backup" on paper, but the guy would get ample playing time. Depending on how creative Porter gets, I could see him playing 25 minutes a game, both spelling Nash and possibly put in WITH him to create interesting matchup problems.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Okay, I promised I wouldn't comment on any more trade rumors here after I incorrectly called BS on the O'Neal deal. But I just can't resist. This deal is so outrageously lopsided in favor of the Suns that it can't have any truth behind it. If the Clippers ever offered that deal and I were in charge of the Suns, I would say Yes before they even got the last punctuation mark out of their mouths.

As soon as I saw that, I was like, WOW.

Very lopsided in our favor.

 

[Mulli]

As soon as I saw that, I was like, WOW.

Very lopsided in our favor.

Yeah, that "and no. 7" is crazy good for the Suns

 

[PhxGametime]

Would anyone take on Brian Cardinals contract for two years and #5 for Barbosa??


With one of Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, and Russell Westbrook available??


I'd have-to think about it but thats another $6-7 Million off cap in 2 years and all 4 of these players are better athletes/defenders and could easily score in the Barbosa mold??

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Would anyone take on Brian Cardinals contract for two years and #5 for Barbosa??


With one of Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, and Russell Westbrook available??


I'd have-to think about it but thats another $6-7 Million off cap in 2 years and all 4 of these players are better athletes/defenders and could easily score in the Barbosa mold??

Yes

 

[devilalum]

Would anyone take on Brian Cardinals contract for two years and #5 for Barbosa??


With one of Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, and Russell Westbrook available??


I'd have-to think about it but thats another $6-7 Million off cap in 2 years and all 4 of these players are better athletes/defenders and could easily score in the Barbosa mold??

Sure, why not, I don't have to pay his obscene salary.

 

[The Commish]

Not sold on Westbrook - didn't we have him previous? I think he went by Marcus Banks.

But yes I would do that deal.

 

[The Commish]

I feel like Brian Cardinal always torched the Suns.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Im assuming the way the clips are looking at it is theyre worried about maggette leaving, and instead of taking a risk with Eric Gordon in the draft, can get a proven shooting guard in barbosa (which they desperately need) and make room in the frontcourt for Thornton.


Nash
Bell/Gordon(7)
Maggette/Hill
Amare/Diaw
Shaq/Amare


omg PG wru

 

[Brianellsworth]

Would anyone take on Brian Cardinals contract for two years and #5 for Barbosa??

I would do it for Barbosa for sure. I would do it even for Barbosa and the #15 pick (which I think it would be because I highly doubt they would make that trade for Barbosa only)

 

[nowagimp]

Im assuming the way the clips are looking at it is theyre worried about maggette leaving, and instead of taking a risk with Eric Gordon in the draft, can get a proven shooting guard in barbosa (which they desperately need) and make room in the frontcourt for Thornton.


Nash
Bell/Gordon(7)
Maggette/Hill
Amare/Diaw
Shaq/Amare


omg PG wru

This deal makes sense for the clips perhaps even more than the suns. Barbosas defense will be better with brand and Kaman behind him, and the clips need more perimeter shooting and will lose magette anyway. the question is whether magette at the '2' works for the suns. Magette is a mediocre outside shooter(33% from 3 career), so it wont improve spacing for amare/nash. Magette is actually an inferior 3 pt shooter to marion, by a small margin.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I think we would use the draft pick to grab another 2 as opposed to putting maggette there. What makes you think he would play 2 for us and not LA? Seems silly imo.

 

[nowagimp]

I think we would use the draft pick to grab another 2 as opposed to putting maggette there. What makes you think he would play 2 for us and not LA? Seems silly imo.

Magette had a big problem with Dunleavy, that is why he wants to leave LA. Magette thinks Dunleavy has used him wrong and kept his PT down as punishment. Magette would probably want to play for the suns because he could have a chance to have a career year alongside nash. I also believe that magette thinks he could beat Raja out of the starting job and he may be right.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

None of what you said answered my question.

Maggette is a smallforward in every facet of his game.

 

[Bigdez22]

There is one reason why teams want LB.....

He has the best contract in the NBA. It makes sense for the clips because they are not going to get any FA to go there. They can get rid of Magette(dont let the stats fool you. not that good and has a hard time staying on the floor sometimes) and his impending Contract probs(will not be on Suns in 2 years if the trade went through) for a guy who has 4 years left on his deal and makes no money compared to the stats he can put up.

I dont like this deal. We dont need Jefferson or Magette. They like to play to close to the basket which is the last thing we need. I would rather do the LB for Webster the 13th and another piece then this deal.

We need Depth. not another guy who is going to demand the basketball.

Trade Diaw.....
gone Diaw,Pike,Marks,.....new Ford,15,17,ML

Thats all we need to make another run imop

 

[JCSunsfan]

Okay, I promised I wouldn't comment on any more trade rumors here after I incorrectly called BS on the O'Neal deal. But I just can't resist. This deal is so outrageously lopsided in favor of the Suns that it can't have any truth behind it. If the Clippers ever offered that deal and I were in charge of the Suns, I would say Yes before they even got the last punctuation mark out of their mouths.

Its pretty clear that Barbosa is much more highly valued around the league than most Suns fans believe. The source is from outside the Suns organization.

I believe that opposing coaches know how hard it is to defend LB.

Personally, I do not like this deal. I believe Barbosa is a much better player than Maggette without the injury risks. Its not enough value to get back for Barbosa.

 

[Chaplin]

TJ Ford is STILL getting overrated on this board. Amazing.

 

[jlove]

This deal makes sense for the clips perhaps even more than the suns. Barbosas defense will be better with brand and Kaman behind him, and the clips need more perimeter shooting and will lose magette anyway. the question is whether magette at the '2' works for the suns. Magette is a mediocre outside shooter(33% from 3 career), so it wont improve spacing for amare/nash. Magette is actually an inferior 3 pt shooter to marion, by a small margin.

Actually, Maggette can play the 2 or 3, as well as Hill, Bell, Tucker and to some extent Strawberry. So that's basically 5 players than can play the 2/3, so there's no need to panic or argue over who plays what position. That's a pretty damned good rotation at those 2 spots.

I think we would use the draft pick to grab another 2 as opposed to putting maggette there. What makes you think he would play 2 for us and not LA? Seems silly imo.

You wouldn't necessarily have to draft a 2 either (reasons above). With the #7 pick, IMO we would grab Alexander, since he can play the 3 and 4 spots, rather than drafting a player like Westbrook or Augustin. Then re-sign Skinner to back up Shaq. Plus there's still the possibility of trading Diaw for another 1st round pick as well.

 

[Bigdez22]

TJ Ford is STILL getting overrated on this board. Amazing.

Easy there Chap. When you are being talked about in a trade for Boris Diaw.......its hard to be overrated

 

[Chaplin]

Easy there Chap. When you are being talked about in a trade for Boris Diaw.......its hard to be overrated

That's absolutely not true. Boris is a big who isn't injury-prone. When Boris is properly motivated, he is one of the best big men off the bench in the league and he does have a terrific court vision.

The only question with him is about motivation. A fully-motivated Boris Diaw is 10 times the player TJ Ford is. The question is if he'll get motivated, and without seeing how Porter's presence will affect him, I think we can afford to wait because the reward is so high.

 

[The Commish]

That's absolutely not true. Boris is a big who isn't injury-prone. When Boris is properly motivated, he is one of the best big men off the bench in the league and he does have a terrific court vision.

The only question with him is about motivation. A fully-motivated Boris Diaw is 10 times the player TJ Ford is. The question is if he'll get motivated, and without seeing how Porter's presence will affect him, I think we can afford to wait because the reward is so high.

If competing for a championship isn't enough motivation for Boris then I don't know what is. Girls, croissants and playing for a new contract seem to be the only things that get his full effort.

 

[Irish]

Easy there Chap. When you are being talked about in a trade for Boris Diaw.......its hard to be overrated

That is not the point. Ford is not the answer.

Ford is listed at 5'10" 165 lbs. I haven't heard anyone raving about how great he is on the defensive end and Ford played only 51 games last season which reinforces my health concerns. He is a career 31% three point shooter. In the playoffs this season he averaged 36.2% from the field and hit 1 of 6 for three. He thinks he's a STAR and frankly I don't think he's a better prospect than Strawberry since Strawberry can at least defend.

Defending this deal on the basis that Diaw is not worth anything IMHO is just absurd. In the playoffs, Diaw showed he CAN defend the perimeter if he puts his mind to it. Can Ford defend anybody?" Granted, the Raptors were just as bad on defense as the Suns, but the plan it to do a lot better. Getting a PG who is even smaller than Nash does not sound like a great plan to me.

In any case, for all the complaints about Boris, he is good enough to play 82 games last season (19 starts), averages 8.8 ppg on 47.7% shooting and 3.9 assists per game in 28.1 minutes per game.

Overpaid? Absolutely. Worthless? Hardly.

IMHO Boris is out of position playing inside and not suited to playing all his minutes getting beat up by guys 50 pounds heavier night after night. But for a guy who has no heart and is viewed as being totally worthless, his stats in the Spurs series are kind of interesting: 14.6 ppg, 54.7%, 5.6 rpg, and 4.6 apg. In the last two games when he was moved to SF, he did even better.

Game 4 - 20 points (10 of 19 shooting), 10 rbounds, and 8 assists.

Game 5 - 22 points (11 of 17 shooting), 8 rebounds and 8 assists.

Boris is frustrating because he CAN do that a lot, but doesn't always. The problem is that unless you get someone who does do a lot better, I'd rather keep on trying to get this out of Boris. Giving him away for a PG who can't shoot or defend does not impress me.