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[Cheesebeef]

Completely disagreed here then, fine. Glennon's contract isn't prohibitive. Glennon can easily be sat back with the expectation he knows the speed of the league and doesn't need the backup snaps. I'm sure it will rotate - unless Bradford is questionable for the game and it's likely Glennon might play. We have the space to cut the guy without any real concerns. Or just keep him and set him back there.

Like other posters have said, at least the rookie will be able to be in the playbook, learning the verbiage, seeing other nuances of the game, learning to be a pro when your full time job is football.

Mark Sanchez wasn't just a warm body backup for the Bears. Mannion was a 3rd round pick the year prior for the Rams, with Keenum as the starter, and Goff was still selected.

I can't go through every single example here, because I don't have the time, but in no way does it cancel out the chance of taking a QB in the first or 2nd rounds.

totally agree. Believing Keim absolutely will not draft a QB early because we signed Glennon doesn't wash with me. But if that does come to pass, we're hopeless until he's fired, IMO because that line of thinking would be idiotic.

 

[Solar7]

totally agree. Believing Keim absolutely will not draft a QB early because we signed Glennon doesn't wash with me. But if that does come to pass, we're hopeless until he's fired, IMO because that line of thinking would be idiotic.

I could see it coming to pass if the talent on the board falls that way. As much as I want a QB and think that Lamar Jackson has a ton of upside, I don't know that I'd fault him for taking Vita Vea over him, and if we lost out on Jackson/Rudolph/Lauletta/Falk being taken before our #2, well, I guess I'd accept just taking a wild stab at White or someone else in the 3rd or later.

More and more I'm accepting the feeling that we're going to end up with a top 5 pick in '19, and that it might be part of the strategy.

 

[oaken1]

If this is not a smoke screen, Lauletta, Falk, White could be their guy. They better be using early round picks on proven studs and not D3 projects.

right??.... and all of those guys need to be targeted with our third round compensatory pick.... Faulk is the only one who rates a higher selection that that

 

[Cheesebeef]

I could see it coming to pass if the talent on the board falls that way. As much as I want a QB and think that Lamar Jackson has a ton of upside, I don't know that I'd fault him for taking Vita Vea over him, and if we lost out on Jackson/Rudolph/Lauletta/Falk being taken before our #2, well, I guess I'd accept just taking a wild stab at White or someone else in the 3rd or later.

More and more I'm accepting the feeling that we're going to end up with a top 5 pick in '19, and that it might be part of the strategy.

Ugh... in what’s supposed to be a terrible QB draft.

 

[Minski]

I could see it coming to pass if the talent on the board falls that way. As much as I want a QB and think that Lamar Jackson has a ton of upside, I don't know that I'd fault him for taking Vita Vea over him, and if we lost out on Jackson/Rudolph/Lauletta/Falk being taken before our #2, well, I guess I'd accept just taking a wild stab at White or someone else in the 3rd or later.

More and more I'm accepting the feeling that we're going to end up with a top 5 pick in '19, and that it might be part of the strategy.

If that is the case and we have one of the top 2 QBs next year, how do they weigh up against this crop of QBs? Aren’t they supposed to be terrible next year? Genuine questions

 

[oaken1]

Ugh... in what’s supposed to be a terrible QB draft.

there will be that one guy. but we will need the #1 to get him...and he would be third or fourth in this draft...

but yeah,...go team....

 

[Minski]

Ugh... in what’s supposed to be a terrible QB draft.

Whoops didn’t see this

 

[Solar7]

Ugh... in what’s supposed to be a terrible QB draft.

If that is the case and we have one of the top 2 QBs next year, how do they weigh up against this crop of QBs? Aren’t they supposed to be terrible next year? Genuine questions

Honestly, I didn't even mean that to imply we'd take a QB that high. Just that we're expecting to pick high.

I still think we'll draft the QB of the future in the second or so this year.

 

[Stout]

totally agree. Believing Keim absolutely will not draft a QB early because we signed Glennon doesn't wash with me. But if that does come to pass, we're hopeless until he's fired, IMO because that line of thinking would be idiotic.

I think it IS idiotic, and that it IS the reason he won't draft an early QB.

Don't be shocked when we don't go QB early. Be disappointed, as I will be, but not shocked.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think it IS idiotic, and that it IS the reason he won't draft an early QB.

Don't be shocked when we don't go QB early. Be disappointed, as I will be, but not shocked.

Dude... nothing shocks me with anything Az sports related anymore.

 

[WisconsinCard]

First Keim never said they would be aggressive in FA this year. He did say they would be aggressive in getting a QB which they were. Second, how in the hell does signing Glennon to a 2 year contract spike any idea of getting a QBotF? Glennon has better #'s than Stanton & is ideal for a back up in this league. Which imo is a pretty good qb for a BACK UP. Signing Both Bradford & MG to short contracts all but guarantees we going after a QBotF in the draft.


Edit: It was actually Wilks that said they would be aggressive in getting a QB. I don't believe Keim said anything.

There ya go letting facts get in the way of a good rant.

 

[Stout]

First Keim never said they would be aggressive in FA this year. He did say they would be aggressive in getting a QB which they were. Second, how in the hell does signing Glennon to a 2 year contract spike any idea of getting a QBotF? Glennon has better #'s than Stanton & is ideal for a back up in this league. Which imo is a pretty good qb for a BACK UP. Signing Both Bradford & MG to short contracts all but guarantees we going after a QBotF in the draft.


Edit: It was actually Wilks that said they would be aggressive in getting a QB. I don't believe Keim said anything.

100 percent disagree that they'll target a QBOF in the draft. They wait until the 3rd at the earliest, probably later (if at all). And you can't really hold up a 3rd rounder as a QBOF. It'd be like molding ground meat into a steak and calling it filet mignon.

 

[Solar7]

100 percent disagree that they'll target a QBOF in the draft. They wait until the 3rd at the earliest, probably later (if at all). And you can't really hold up a 3rd rounder as a QBOF. It'd be like molding ground meat into a steak and calling it filet mignon.

Oh hi, Russell Wilson.

 

[Stout]

Oh hi, Russell Wilson.

And they didn't draft him and immediately label him the QBOF. Nor did New England with Brady in the 6th. The conversation is about perception of who you're drafting, not long-term performance. What franchise/GM/Owner/Coach steps up to the podium after drafting a 3rd-round prospect and talks about handing them the reins to the franchise, even in a few years? Or talks about them being the future of the franchise? None that don't wish to be run out of town on a rail, anyway.

Nice try, though

 

[RugbyMuffin]

And they didn't draft him and immediately label him the QBOF. Nor did New England with Brady in the 6th. The conversation is about perception of who you're drafting, not long-term performance. What franchise/GM/Owner/Coach steps up to the podium after drafting a 3rd-round prospect and talks about handing them the reins to the franchise, even in a few years? Or talks about them being the future of the franchise? None that don't wish to be run out of town on a rail, anyway.

Nice try, though

So your concern is the ability to walk up to a podium and say you drafted a QB in the 1st round ?

Not sure what you are saying here.

 

[Stout]

So your concern is the ability to walk up to a podium and say you drafted a QB in the 1st round ?

Not sure what you are saying here.

I would like us to be serious and take a top QB, not draft some lesser prospect and pretend he's "the guy", then hope he develops. Go after a top talent, and not hope/pray we catch lightning in a bottle.

I just wanted to forestall folks going "Hey, we drafted a QB in the 3rd/4th round; TOLD you we'd get a QBOF!" lol

 

[Chopper0080]

I would like us to be serious and take a top QB, not draft some lesser prospect and pretend he's "the guy", then hope he develops. Go after a top talent, and not hope/pray we catch lightning in a bottle.

I just wanted to forestall folks going "Hey, we drafted a QB in the 3rd/4th round; TOLD you we'd get a QBOF!" lol

Yes, the argument that the organizations that drafted Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady, or Kirk Cousins planned for them to be their franchise QB is hilarious.

If you look at the NFL...

Teddy Bridgewater - 1st round
Ryan Tannahill - 1st Round
Joe Flacco - 1st Round
Ben Roethlisberger - 1st Round
Andy Dalton - 2nd Round
Marcus Mariota - 1st Round
Blake Bortles - 1st Round
Andrew Luck - 1st Round
Deshaun Watson - 1st Round
Derek Carr - 2nd Round
Pat Mahommes - 1st Round
Phillip Rivers - 1st Round
Alex Smith - 1st Round
Carson Wentz - 1st Round
Eli Manning - 1st Round
Aaron Rodgers - 1st Round
Mitch Trubisky - 1st Round
Matt Stafford - 1st Round
Matt Ryan - 1st Round
Cam Newton - 1st Round
Jameis Winston - 1st Round
Drew Brees - 2nd Round
Jimmy G - 2nd Round
Jared Goff - 1st Round
Sam Bradford - 1st Round

...these are the guys franchises PLANNED to build around. You can argue if some of them would have been better off trading their guy for two first round picks and drafting another QB vs giving them a 20+ mil extension, but the process is tried and true if you can do it right.

 

[Solar7]

And they didn't draft him and immediately label him the QBOF. Nor did New England with Brady in the 6th. The conversation is about perception of who you're drafting, not long-term performance. What franchise/GM/Owner/Coach steps up to the podium after drafting a 3rd-round prospect and talks about handing them the reins to the franchise, even in a few years? Or talks about them being the future of the franchise? None that don't wish to be run out of town on a rail, anyway.

Nice try, though

Okay, so it took them all of training camp and preseason to do it. Over their high priced free agent QB that they just signed. And the free agent QB they had signed a year prior, that had been their starter the year prior.

By game 1, they had "stepped up to the podium" with more than words and made him their QB of the future.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I would like us to be serious and take a top QB, not draft some lesser prospect and pretend he's "the guy", then hope he develops. Go after a top talent, and not hope/pray we catch lightning in a bottle.

I just wanted to forestall folks going "Hey, we drafted a QB in the 3rd/4th round; TOLD you we'd get a QBOF!" lol

If I understand you correctly you don't care if we take the best QB, you just want it to be a high pick or what the "gurus" call a top pick? I just want the best QB I couldn't care less of his draft status. I mean seriously if you draft a QB in the 7th round and in two years he is winning ball games, do you care that he wasn't a top pick? Really?? I must be not understanding what your saying.

 

[juza76]

If I understand you correctly you don't care if we take the best QB, you just want it to be a high pick or what the "gurus" call a top pick? I just want the best QB I couldn't care less of his draft status. I mean seriously if you draft a QB in the 7th round and in two years he is winning ball games, do you care that he wasn't a top pick? Really?? I must be not understanding what your saying.

Yes Sir but statistacally u have much higher chance to find the chosen one in the early rounds

 

[WisconsinCard]

Yes Sir but statistacally u have much higher chance to find the chosen one in the early rounds

It didn't quote you, but who said anything about statistics? You in the same boat, that you don't care if we get the best QB you just care that he was drafted high and he was a "top pick"? I don't understand this line of thinking, so you'll be happy if they trade away several future first round picks even if he is a bust? But you wouldn't be happy if we drafted a guy at 15 or later who just wins games? Please tell me I am not understanding this correctly.

 

[Stout]

If I understand you correctly you don't care if we take the best QB, you just want it to be a high pick or what the "gurus" call a top pick? I just want the best QB I couldn't care less of his draft status. I mean seriously if you draft a QB in the 7th round and in two years he is winning ball games, do you care that he wasn't a top pick? Really?? I must be not understanding what your saying.

You're being deliberately obtuse now, man. Who would ever wish to have an inferior player, especially at the QB position. If you could guarantee me that we could draft a QB in the 5th round that would turn into a great QB, and that Darnold would be a bust, you bet your bippy I'd refrain from trading up and wait and get that QB in the 5th. My point is only that teams don't draft mid-late round QBs with the expectation of them being an immediate QBOF.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You're being deliberately obtuse now, man. Who would ever wish to have an inferior player, especially at the QB position. If you could guarantee me that we could draft a QB in the 5th round that would turn into a great QB, and that Darnold would be a bust, you bet your bippy I'd refrain from trading up and wait and get that QB in the 5th. My point is only that teams don't draft mid-late round QBs with the expectation of them being an immediate QBOF.

I wasn't being anything, I was just trying to understand your post. Ok now you guarantee me that trading three first round picks and we get a great QB and I'll sign up right now. You said and I quote "I would like us to be serious and take a top QB, not draft some lesser prospect." That where I was just trying to understand what your post meant. I can see some would be happy to be aggressive and trade away future picks to move up, even if it failed they would know the team tried.

 

[sdscard4]

I would like us to be serious and take a top QB, not draft some lesser prospect and pretend he's "the guy", then hope he develops. Go after a top talent, and not hope/pray we catch lightning in a bottle.

I just wanted to forestall folks going "Hey, we drafted a QB in the 3rd/4th round; TOLD you we'd get a QBOF!" lol

Key words you used 'top talent'
Sorry but you must think the chosen four are all going to be great. I think the next 4 taken after them could be just as good.

 

[Stout]

Key words you used 'top talent'
Sorry but you must think the chosen four are all going to be great. I think the next 4 taken after them could be just as good.

Maybe. We won't know for quite some time.