Reps reps reps reps reps reps reps (Leinart Thread)

[TJ]

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IMO. Matt should be allowed to compete for the starting QB job, but we need to bring in someone to challenge him or to start. Drafting a QB in middle rounds is something to consider.

This is the only part of your argument I will buy. We do need a rookie QB anyway, only because we will only have one QB on the payroll next season.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Just give me a sense from what you've seen from Leinart the past 4 years, cardpa, that tells you he will get it done this year, or any year?

The Chiefs game his rookie year, the Chicago game his rookie year and the Minnesota game his rookie year, where he happened to set an NFL record for passing yards by a rookie QB. he also played very well and was instrumental in beating the Steelers and played well considering the circumstances against tennessee this year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

has Mitch ever been right on his "personnel" decisions? If it was up to him we'd have Elliot Vallejo protecting St. Pierre's and Preston Parsons blindside. Reggie Walker would be starting for Dansby, Keilen Dykes for Campbell,Francisco for AW, and the list goes on.

Leinart is going to be the QB. K9 has it right from the original post.

 

[Mitch]

So what would you do, Mitch, if Warner retires?

That IS the question of the hour, Jon.

Hard to say right now.

I find it comical that people on this board would prefer Leinart over Donovan McNabb. McNabb didn't wind up in so many NFC Championship games by accident. Leinart would never get us to an NFC Championship, nor would he ever get us to the playoffs unless Whiz hired a new DC and we get an Extreme Makeover on defense.

That said, I don't know if the Cardinals would have a legitmate chance at McNabb. Nor do I know if the Bidwills have the cajones to make such a deal.

What I do know is that any QB looking for work worth his weight in salt would put the Cardinals at the top of his list.

 

[red desert]

I hear you, RD. I do. I want to be positive too. But, really, you look at Leinart and you ask yourself, does he do one thing special? And it's very hard to name it, other than beer bonging. He has a slow release, his feet are often bad, which exacerbates his less than average arm strength, which leads to chucks and overthrows. His command of the huddle looks as if he could take tips from Jay Spicolli. Maybe if he ordered a Dominos Pizza delivery into the huddle and a six pack of Heineys, he'd make some believers.

Kent Somers reported it well. The Cardinal WRs don't have confidence in him, because he's so erratic. Ask Q.

Mitch, you are cracking me up (I say this with all due respect): It's "Jeff Spicolli." What a great flick.

Anyway...

It's okay. I'm also upset and saddened by the thought of Kurt Warner retiring. Mortality. We all have to face it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What I do know is that any QB looking for work worth his weight in salt would put the Cardinals at the top of his list.

any QB worth his weight in salt isn't looking for work.

 

[cardsfanmd]

No way, 'Cuse, really. And I love your b-ball team for the Final 4. But, there's no way Leinart is the starter this year. Get used to this thought.

Just like how we were supposed to get used to the thought that the coaches LOVED Vallejo and he was the LTOTF????? How come when he was healthy we signed a guy off the street instead of calling on Elliot? Why wasn't he brought in when Gandy went down? Just like BSP was the next Montana??

 

[Mitch]

Wow. How quickly we forget, I guess.

Don't forget how Matt Leinart, as a rookie, put this team in a position to win or tie against Kansas City and Chicago, only to have Neil (C)Rackers choke those games away.

In his second season, it was the retiring hall of famer who lead the game-winning drive against the Pittsburgh Steelers. On that game-winning drive, #7 went 4 for 5 and moved the team 82 yards in over 7 minutes, leaving just 4 minutes on the clock for the Steelers to attempt a comeback.

This season against Tennessee, who was one of the hottest teams in the NFL, Matt Leinart had this team in a position to win on the road in one of the toughest stadiums to play in if the defense could've gotten stops on a succession of fourth downs. This on limited practice reps and a game plan for a very different quarterback. Leinart also went 21/31 passing on that day and averaged a very respectable 7.1 YPA. He completed passes of 24, 20, 28, 23, and 21 yards in that contest. He connected with 9 different receivers in that game.

Criticize him for poor mechanics and for not making the fastest reads (after only 590 career attempts), but look at what's there.

He did play well in the 2nd half at Tennessee. You are right about that. Is that, and isloated other performances years ago enough to warrant Leinart the nod as successor to Kurt Warner?

If you listen to Kent Somers, even his WRs lack confidence in him. And with good reason. Look at his throw to Q in the Packer game. His throws are repeatedly high which makes the WRs have to leave their feet, which leaves them vulnerable to big hits and/or awkward landing.

I think you've had some great points since you've been back, K9, and I am happy you are back. But, I think you are looking through rose colored glasses on this one. And hey, I think we would all like to hope the only signed QB on the roster is the answer.

 

[kerouac9]

That IS the question of the hour, Jon.

Hard to say right now.

I find it comical that people on this board would prefer Leinart over Donovan McNabb. McNabb didn't wind up in so many NFC Championship games by accident. Leinart would never get us to an NFC Championship, nor would he ever get us to the playoffs unless Whiz hired a new DC and we get an Extreme Makeover on defense.

That said, I don't know if the Cardinals would have a legitmate chance at McNabb. Nor do I know if the Bidwills have the cajones to make such a deal.

What I do know is that any QB looking for work worth his weight in salt would put the Cardinals at the top of his list.

I would prefer Leinart over Donovan McNabb minus our first- and third-round draft picks. That's the minimum of the price that we'd have to pay to get McNabb, plus whatever it would take to sign Donnie to an extension.

You'd also be asking McNabb to change offensive systems from the only one he's ever known. How did Brett Favre look when he went from a West Coast passing offense to the play-action passing offense in New York?

 

[TJ]

He did play well in the 2nd half at Tennessee. You are right about that. Is that, and isloated other performances years ago enough to warrant Leinart the nod as successor to Kurt Warner?

If you listen to Kent Somers, even his WRs lack confidence in him. And with good reason. Look at his throw to Q in the Packer game. His throws are repeatedly high which makes the WRs have to leave their feet, which leaves them vulnerable to big hits and/or awkward landing.

I think you've had some great points since you've been back, K9, and I am happy you are back. But, I think you are looking through rose colored glasses on this one. And hey, I think we would all like to hope the only signed QB on the roster is the answer.

That was pure speculation! Are you honestly going to buy that ****?? Somers, although a great local reporter, has thrown out some doosies that were out of this world and were baseless.

 

[kerouac9]

It's not enough--at least for me--to say that Leinart sucks. He might, but we don't have a body of evidence to support that yet.

But Leinart is clearly superior to nothing, and that's what's available out there on the open market.

 

[red desert]

You're all crazy.

Tyler Thigpen, baby. He's the answer to our problems.

I kid. But not really.

 

[Dayman]

Wow. How quickly we forget, I guess.

Don't forget how Matt Leinart, as a rookie, put this team in a position to win or tie against Kansas City and Chicago, only to have Neil (C)Rackers choke those games away.

In his second season, it was the retiring hall of famer who lead the game-winning drive against the Pittsburgh Steelers. On that game-winning drive, #7 went 4 for 5 and moved the team 82 yards in over 7 minutes, leaving just 4 minutes on the clock for the Steelers to attempt a comeback.

This season against Tennessee, who was one of the hottest teams in the NFL, Matt Leinart had this team in a position to win on the road in one of the toughest stadiums to play in if the defense could've gotten stops on a succession of fourth downs. This on limited practice reps and a game plan for a very different quarterback. Leinart also went 21/31 passing on that day and averaged a very respectable 7.1 YPA. He completed passes of 24, 20, 28, 23, and 21 yards in that contest. He connected with 9 different receivers in that game.

Criticize him for poor mechanics and for not making the fastest reads (after only 590 career attempts), but look at what's there.

Very nice post, much like the rest of yours in this thread.

While it's been great for us as fans, the Whisnehunt era has been pretty tough on Leinart, and I think it got to him in the mental aspect of the game. He was a bad series away from getting pulled three games into his second season. He had a credentialed QB behind him who was very vocal about his desire to start. Most of all, he was pitted in this good vs evil battle with Warner among some fans and media that caused his every move to be overly scrutinized. Warner was the rugged, blue collar, hard working underdog battling the silver spoon fed, Hollywood QB who had it all. I know Matt's paid millions of dollars to absorb the criticism, but that's not a normal situation for a quarterback, or any player, to develop. I also believe the fallout from the debate led some people to underestimate his abilities.

There's still a chance the Leinart experiment will end poorly. Even though I believe he's shown enough promise to have hope, I can't deny that he hasn't exactly torn up the league in his limited opportunities over the last couple of seasons. But I think he deserves a fair shot, both from management and from fans. If he turns out to be an above average QB, this team should be highly competitive for the next 7-10 years, which should be a possibility we all support.

 

[Mitch]

Just like how we were supposed to get used to the thought that the coaches LOVED Vallejo and he was the LTOTF????? How come when he was healthy we signed a guy off the street instead of calling on Elliot? Why wasn't he brought in when Gandy went down? Just like BSP was the next Montana??

Look, MD, I stand by my belief in Vallejo. Had he not been hurt, he would have played LT, not Bridges, and we would all know if I was right or wrong.

Your hyperbole about BSP being the next Montana is not necessary. I had personal reasons to like BSP. I am BC grad and I followed this kid's career from high school to BC to the pros. I think if he was healthier we would have seen more from him. And I am delighted for him that he got to throw a TD to Fitz. That may be his one moment in the sun.

I believe in Michael Adams. I think he was asked to do things he was incapable if doing in the Packer game (press coverage on Donald Driver?), and now everyone is ready to dismiss him. I don;t think size is the be all and end all. And the irony is, he's the best tackling CB on the roster hands down. It's not even close.

BTW, who is your long shot on the roster?

 

[red desert]

Look, MD, I stand by my belief in Vallejo. Had he not been hurt, he would have played LT, not Bridges, and we would all know if I was right or wrong.

Your hyperbole about BSP being the next Montana is not necessary. I had personal reasons to like BSP. I am BC grad and I followed this kid's career from high school to BC to the pros. I think if he was healthier we would have seen more from him. And I am delighted for him that he got to throw a TD to Fitz. That may be his one moment in the sun.

I believe in Michael Adams. I think he was asked to do things he was incapable if doing in the Packer game (press coverage on Donald Driver?), and now everyone is ready to dismiss him. I don;t think size is the be all and end all. And the irony is, he's the best tackling CB on the roster hands down. It's not even close.

BTW, who is your long shot on the roster?

 

[kerouac9]

I believe in Michael Adams. I think he was asked to do things he was incapable if doing in the Packer game (press coverage on Donald Driver?), and now everyone is ready to dismiss him. I don;t think size is the be all and end all. And the irony is, he's the best tackling CB on the roster hands down. It's not even close.

Yes. It certainly didn't look like size didn't matter when Jermichael Finley still plucked the ball from over top of him in the playoffs.

If Adams were 5'10", it wouldn't be a big deal. But I'm not sure how you could watch teams exploit Michael Adams for seven or eight weeks to end the season and think he has potential as anything other than a fringe dime cornerback.

 

[Mitch]

Yes. It certainly didn't look like size didn't matter when Jermichael Finley still plucked the ball from over top of him in the playoffs.

If Adams were 5'10", it wouldn't be a big deal. But I'm not sure how you could watch teams exploit Michael Adams for seven or eight weeks to end the season and think he has potential as anything other than a fringe dime cornerback.

To quote John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious!"

To have MA cover JF is a joke.

But he could have covered Donald Driver had he been coached to play inside him and use his quick feet to shadow him.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Damn Skippy!!!!!!!!

I used to beef with you all day, but you've really been missed and I for one am ecstatic to see you back K-9. Well said.

Yup I'm happy as hell K9 is back. Excellent write up K9, even though I may not agree with you all the time your opinion is always well articulated and brings great points to the board. As for the thread itself couldn't agree more. With an improved running game, upgraded D and Leinart getting reps the Cards should be in good shape.

 

[kerouac9]

To quote John McEnroe: "You cannot be serious!"

To have MA cover JF is a joke.

But he could have covered Donald Driver had he been coached to play inside him and use his quick feet to shadow him.

You can't allow your #3 cornerback to dictate coverage. Sometimes teams make splits so that your #3 corner has to defend the TE. Teams were targeting Michael Adams all season long. When they weren't picking on Bryant McFadden, they were picking on Michael Adams.

That's not because the rest of the league believes that he's a threat.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I will defend Mitch on this one. Leinart will not be our starting QB this year. I feel he was an adequate backup to Warner because he was so anti Warner he was harder to prepare for.... if Warner ever got hurt. But Whiz is not a fan of Leinart...It is my opinion.

I think McNabb will be here by Draft time....And dont laugh...Because I dont think it will happen...But you will hear Jeff Georges name again. I dont know how old he is...but I think he will surface. Maybe Marc Bulger too.

Whiz and MAtt dont see eye to eye...Whiz wins.

 

[TJ]

I will defend Mitch on this one. Leinart will not be our starting QB this year. I feel he was an adequate backup to Warner because he was so anti Warner he was harder to prepare for.... if Warner ever got hurt. But Whiz is not a fan of Leinart...It is my opinion.

I think McNabb will be here by Draft time....And dont laugh...Because I dont think it will happen...But you will hear Jeff Georges name again. I dont know how old he is...but I think he will surface. Maybe Marc Bulger too.

Whiz and MAtt dont see eye to eye...Whiz wins.

CC

Why did Whiz come out a couple of days ago and say he has the utmost support in him?

Whiz is a fan's coach and he would not lie to us.

 

[Pariah]

I don't know if he will or will not be the starting QB...but from an investment and potential standpoint, I hope he is (provided Warner indeed retires)--more accurately, I hope he is and I hope he succeeds.

Furthermore, I have to believe that the Cardinals are leaning towards giving him his shot. But, anyone here making definitive claims one way or the other are delusional to think they have an inside bead on what's going on over at Cardinals HQ.

 

[Sandan]

And we're staring at 3rd place in the NFC West.

Whiz won't let this happen, I promise you.

One things for sure Mitch, if you are right Wiz does know this

 

[Cards_Campos]

One other thing...I bet and would like to hear from the players. But I bet Fitz and Boldin would lobby for someone else over Leinart. There stats have been awful when Leinart plays. He is never a deep ball threat...And yes Warner wasnt much this year but that is because of the play calling.

What in the heck will Whiz call with Leinart in there. Shovel passes??

I'll ride the ride next year with or without Leinart. I just want to be securely strapped in and have my helmet and knee pads on with Leinart driving. Sorry.

 

[TJ]

One other thing...I bet and would like to hear from the players. But I bet Fitz and Boldin would lobby for someone else over Leinart. There stats have been awful when Leinart plays. He is never a deep ball threat...And yes Warner wasnt much this year but that is because of the play calling.

What in the heck will Whiz call with Leinart in there. Shovel passes??

I'll ride the ride next year with or without Leinart. I just want to be securely strapped in and have my helmet and knee pads on with Leinart driving. Sorry.

Boldin went to the pro bowl Leinart's rookie year

Guess they werent too bad

Quit drawing straws