Reps reps reps reps reps reps reps (Leinart Thread)

[Cards_Campos]

I don't know if he will or will not be the starting QB...but from an investment and potential standpoint, I hope he is (provided Warner indeed retires)--more accurately, I hope he is and I hope he succeeds.

Furthermore, I have to believe that the Cardinals are leaning towards giving him his shot. But, anyone here making definitive claims one way or the other are delusional to think they have an inside bead on what's going on over at Cardinals HQ.

Well I will base my theory on Whiz handling the QB situation 2 years ago. Do you guys remember? Leinart is the starter...Period. The preseason came..and Leinart played poorly and Warner didn't. But Whiz said he had all the confidence in the world with Matty. After the Oakland game. 9 days later he was 2nd string. This year Warner has a bad pre season and Leinart plays very well.. Not even a thought of starting Leinart.(Of course who would) But I think Whiz does say things to be politically and encouragingly(is that a word lol) correct...because as of NOW..Leinart is our starter if Warner retires. (God..if you are listening...wake Kurt up tonight and tell him...he has 3 more years to play ) But Whiz will still look at other QB's...

 

[Buckybird]

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I think McNabb will be here by Draft time....And dont laugh...Because I dont think it will happen....

which is it?

 

[Cards_Campos]

which is it?

The dont laugh and I dont think it will happen..is the 2nd part...about Jeff George

 

[Buckybird]

But you will hear Jeff Georges name again.

Come on

 

[Pariah]

Well I will base my theory on Whiz handling the QB situation 2 years ago. Do you guys remember? Leinart is the starter...Period. The preseason came..and Leinart played poorly and Warner didn't.

That's an intentional understatement to help you position, I think. Warner played lights-out and went on to play at a HOF level again and piloted the team to the super bowl. So, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that not but a couple of QBs in the NFL could have compared to that.

 

[gohard83]

In reply to whether Matt Leinart can lead a team to the Super Bowl 2 words, Trent Dilfer

The Ravens were one of the best defenses of ALL TIME, while your team gave up the most points in the playoffs of ALL TIME. Think about that.

 

[Cards_Campos]

That's an intentional understatement to help you position, I think. Warner played lights-out and went on to play at a HOF level again and piloted the team to the super bowl. So, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that not but a couple of QBs in the NFL could have compared to that.

Yes but IF Leinart doesnt stink against Oakland...Who is our starting QB last year???? I still think it is Warner...Because no way a coach who has perfect confidence in a guy..plays one bad preseason game...loses his position. I think Whiz always wanted Warner he was just waiting for something to give him a reason to switch.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

One other thing...I bet and would like to hear from the players. But I bet Fitz and Boldin would lobby for someone else over Leinart. There stats have been awful when Leinart plays. He is never a deep ball threat...And yes Warner wasnt much this year but that is because of the play calling.

What in the heck will Whiz call with Leinart in there. Shovel passes??

I'll ride the ride next year with or without Leinart. I just want to be securely strapped in and have my helmet and knee pads on with Leinart driving. Sorry.

Throwing the deep ball is one of the most overrated aspects people use when it comes to QB's. How many balls are thrown more than 30 yards downfield? How many did Warner throw this past year? It's the short to intermediate passes that Warner excelled at. Leinart has plenty strong enough arm to be successful.Whether he can master the timing passes, time will tell. He can throw the ball deep the 1 or 2 times a game it is called. You have people on here clamoring for Pennington who has no arm. Jamarcus Russel probably throws a great deep ball, at least he can throw it far, what's that done for him? Rolle can launch it. That doesn't make him a QB. ML will throw deep passes enough to keep defenses honest. That's all you need.

 

[Cards_Campos]

The Tennessee game is vintage Leinart and the Cards with him at QB. We need a break(KO return) and the defense must step up. when those dont happen...Leinart will not lead us to 35 points for a win. But he can manage the game and play a decent game. We need more than decent...thats all I am saying.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Well I will base my theory on Whiz handling the QB situation 2 years ago. Do you guys remember? Leinart is the starter...Period. The preseason came..and Leinart played poorly and Warner didn't. But Whiz said he had all the confidence in the world with Matty. After the Oakland game. 9 days later he was 2nd string. This year Warner has a bad pre season and Leinart plays very well.. Not even a thought of starting Leinart.(Of course who would) But I think Whiz does say things to be politically and encouragingly(is that a word lol) correct...because as of NOW..Leinart is our starter if Warner retires. (God..if you are listening...wake Kurt up tonight and tell him...he has 3 more years to play ) But Whiz will still look at other QB's...

There wasn't a thought of starting Leinart over Warner this past preseason because Leinart didn't QB the team to the Super Bowl 6 months before Warner did. To compare the offseason of 2008 and 2009 makes no sense, they were two completely teams.

Also going into the 2008 season Whiz said Leinart was the starter because he didn't think starters should lose their job to injury. He also said that Warner would have an oppertunity to win the starting job that pre-season. So although Leinart was named the starter for the start of the 2008 offseason and preseason he WAS NOT guaranteed the starting job by the time the regular season started.

I'm sorry but you have to do better than that if you are going to convince me that Whiz doesn't like Leinart. I could just as easily say the Whiz loves Leinart becuase he kept him on the roster and says positive things baout him, but I will not make that claim since I do not know Whiz, Leinart or the inner workings of the Cardinals locker room.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Leinart is on the roster because he was drafted 10th and he has potential. The management also prob likes him too. But based on how WHiz has handled things...my gut feeling..(I am not saying I guarantee it) But I feel Leinart will not be our starting QB next year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Leinart is on the roster because he was drafted 10th and he has potential. The management also prob likes him too. But based on how WHiz has handled things...my gut feeling..(I am not saying I guarantee it) But I feel Leinart will not be our starting QB next year.

that's fair. You can't argue with that .

 

[TJ]

Leinart is on the roster because he was drafted 10th and he has potential. The management also prob likes him too. But based on how WHiz has handled things...my gut feeling..(I am not saying I guarantee it) But I feel Leinart will not be our starting QB next year.

You still havent responded to me

But I'll ask you this question....

who is the starter next year??

 

[CtCardinals78]

The Tennessee game is vintage Leinart and the Cards with him at QB. We need a break(KO return) and the defense must step up. when those dont happen...Leinart will not lead us to 35 points for a win. But he can manage the game and play a decent game. We need more than decent...thats all I am saying.

Vintage Leinart huh? You realize what you just said. Leinart was 21 of 31 for 220 yards. Althought he didn't throw any TD's he also didn't throw any INT's or fumble the ball. That is even more impressive considering the Cards only ran for 75 yards that day. I'll take that anyday because the Cards will win games like that 9 times out of 10. But for a crappy defensive meltdown the Cards win that one. If that's "vintage" Leinart that Cards are going to kick ass next year now with the double headed rushing attack.

 

[Cards_Campos]

You still havent responded to me

But I'll ask you this question....

who is the starter next year??

If Warner retires...I say McNabb will be our starting QB next year. But I am hoping it is Warner!

 

[Cards_Campos]

Vintage Leinart huh? You realize what you just said. Leinart was 21 of 31 for 220 yards. Althought he didn't throw any TD's he also didn't throw any INT's or fumble the ball. That is even more impressive considering the Cards only ran for 75 yards that day. I'll take that anyday because the Cards will win games like that 9 times out of 10. But for a crappy defensive meltdown the Cards win that one. If that's "vintage" Leinart that Cards are going to kick ass next year now with the double headed rushing attack.

LOL that wont win us 9 out of 10 games. 0 TDS is not going to win squat. Running a KO back helps alot too. And our defense actually played lights out until the last drive...which cant always be counted on. If Warner starts and plays that game. We beat Tenn by 14-17 points given everything else that happened in that game.

 

[TJ]

If Warner retires...I say McNabb will be our starting QB next year. But I am hoping it is Warner!

That rumor has already been quashed by the Eagles, the Cardinals and ESPN

Who else do you have in mind?

 

[CtCardinals78]

If Warner retires...I say McNabb will be our starting QB next year. But I am hoping it is Warner!

If Favre retires I say Minnesota makes a huge push for McNabb. In fact if Favre retires I say McNabb is a Viking week 1.

 

[CtCardinals78]

LOL that wont win us 9 out of 10 games. 0 TDS is not going to win squat. Running a KO back helps alot too. And our defense actually played lights out until the last drive...which cant always be counted on. If Warner starts and plays that game. We beat Tenn by 14-17 points given everything else that happened in that game.

And how many games do you think Leinart will go 21-31 for 220 and NOT throw a TD?

 

[Cards_Campos]

If Favre retires I say Minnesota makes a huge push for McNabb. In fact if Favre retires I say McNabb is a Viking week 1.

I agree and that makes this Friday important. I think we make a push soon rather than later. Like I said...Boldin for Mcnabb. Straight up.

 

[Cards_Campos]

That rumor has already been quashed by the Eagles, the Cardinals and ESPN

Who else do you have in mind?

LOL...Ok And Nick Saban is not going to Alabama. ANd Brett Favre is not coming back. Yes todays news is ...McNabb loves Philly. a month from now...He will love Arizona.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I agree and that makes this Friday important. I think we make a push soon rather than later. Like I said...Boldin for Mcnabb. Straight up.

CC, this isn't Madden. That trade would NEVER happen.

 

[Big D]

Here are my two major concerns about Leinart and what I think will be the biggest factors in wether he is successful or not:

1. Confidence- What the hell happened to that ultra confident, boderline cocky kid from SC we saw come in here his rookie year and play loose and free while showing decent potential? When I look at Matt play now it's like he's not the even the same guy. He doesn't have that swagg anymore. He looks jittery and nervous when he plays. He looks like a D-II school kid that never played in a big game his whole life. IMO Whis did a good job in breaking him down as far as his study habits, footwork, ect, but he hasn't done such a great job building him back up. Whis and Leinart have to figure out some way to get the confident, smiling, having fun out there Matt back because I think confidence or lack of is a major major factor in the way Leinart plays.

2. Injuries- We don't know if Matt can stay healthy for a full 16 games when he is the starter. I know he has done MMA training and ect to "strengthen his core" but he does seem a bit fragile especially for being such a big guy. I think Warner's toughness is probably his most under-rated and under-appreciated trait. Kurt would take some hellacious shots but find a way to scrape himself off the turf and keep on winging it. I know that Matt isn't the same kind of QB Kurt is but I don't know if he can stand up to the punishment that an NFL QB will take over the course of a 16 game season. Does anyone think that Leinart would have been able to get up from that same hit Kurt took in NO and finish the game? For some reason I have a hard time thinking he could.

These are the two biggest question marks for me regarding Leinart. With these doubts in mind we have to bring in another guy capable of starting if the need should arise. It sucks to bring up the re-tread names like Pennington and Garcia but we have to have someone competent on deck in case Leinart can't get the job done.

 

[DoTheDew]

Can we wait until Friday when Warner announces his future before we get in huge arguments about Leinart's credentials as a starter? Nothing wrong with discussing it but until we know whether Warner is here or not it is just wasted breath to get upset about.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

The Ravens were one of the best defenses of ALL TIME, while your team gave up the most points in the playoffs of ALL TIME. Think about that.

It kills me to agree with Blohard.. but the Trent Dilfer example with Leinart has come up a few times now and its absolutely ridiculous.

Our defense doesn't even classify as average at the moment, so please stop it.