Reps reps reps reps reps reps reps (Leinart Thread)

[Linderbee]

The only reason I'm all in for Leinart in 2010 is because I've seen this exact scenario played out before. So it can happen.

Two words: Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Duckjake]

PTI

Just watched the show and all 4 reporters agreed that they would go after a vet like McNabb instead of handing the reins over to Matt. None of them liked Matt. They all gave the Cardinals positive feedback saying that we went to the SB and are on a 2 year run and should reload with a vet QB.

Has any team ever been successful doing that after losing a HOF QB to retirement? Miami with Jay Fielder maybe?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Has any team ever been successful doing that after losing a HOF QB to retirement? Miami with Jay Fielder maybe?

San Francisco got rid of a HOF QB and did pretty good for themselves afterwards. Green Bay seems to be doing alright as well.

 

[splitsecond]

PTI

Just watched the show and all 4 reporters agreed that they would go after a vet like McNabb instead of handing the reins over to Matt. None of them liked Matt. They all gave the Cardinals positive feedback saying that we went to the SB and are on a 2 year run and should reload with a vet QB.

I don't understand how these idiots still have no realized that MCNABB IS INCAPABLE OF WINNING A SUPERBOWL!!!!

 

[Cards_Campos]

PTI

Just watched the show and all 4 reporters agreed that they would go after a vet like McNabb instead of handing the reins over to Matt. None of them liked Matt. They all gave the Cardinals positive feedback saying that we went to the SB and are on a 2 year run and should reload with a vet QB.

HEY PTI is very very smart

 

[splitsecond]

The only reason I'm all in for Leinart in 2010 is because I've seen this exact scenario played out before. So it can happen.

Two words: Aaron Rodgers.

two more words: Steve Young

 

[Duckjake]

San Francisco got rid of a HOF QB and did pretty good for themselves afterwards. Green Bay seems to be doing alright as well.

You didn't read all the posts. (Of course there's so many threads on this I don't blame anyone for that) Green Bay and SF each had a guy who had been with the team as back up for several years, like Leinart's situation, and I mentioned that in an earlier post.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/is-matt-ready-147498.html

I was referring to bringing in an older veteran from another team to replace your retired HOF quarterback.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

PTI

Just watched the show and all 4 reporters agreed that they would go after a vet like McNabb instead of handing the reins over to Matt. None of them liked Matt. They all gave the Cardinals positive feedback saying that we went to the SB and are on a 2 year run and should reload with a vet QB.

actually it was around the horn and i'm still mad i wasted 3 minutes of my life watching it. Why would anyone put any credence into what Mariotti or Woody Paige would have to say?Next thing you know we'll have Skip Bayless weighing in.

 

[nashman]

Honestly this is a silly debate. Leinart has never been handed the reigns under the Whiz staff, if Warner retires which seems as though he will. Leinart and the coaching staff will be ready to go with a running game and hopefully improved defense we should be fine. He will be much better than some think if he is getting all the reps and has an offense that is made for him to run (not Warner and not throwing the ball over the field). To think Whiz will try to force Leinart to run our current offense is comical, Whiz ONLY ran that because of Kurt we will see the offense he wants to run now. A more balanced attack will only help Leinart and his success!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

actually it was around the horn and i'm still mad i wasted 3 minutes of my life watching it. Why would anyone put any credence into what Mariotti or Woody Paige would have to say?Next thing you know we'll have Skip Bayless weighing in.

I did have it wrong. It was Around the Horn.

 

[TJ]

I don't understand how these idiots still have no realized that MCNABB IS INCAPABLE OF WINNING A SUPERBOWL!!!!

Ehhh....Peyton Manning, prior to his SB win, was deemed a playoff choker himself.

Eagles teams have been rather consistent for the past few years. Post a good record in the regular season in a tough division, make a good run in the playoffs and run out of steam.

It is worth noting that the Eagles only lost by 3 points and lost to a 14-2 juggernaut in New England in SB XXXIX

 

[Shane]

Leinart has never been handed the reigns under the Whiz staff,

That's a complete lie. Where were you at the beginning of the 2008 season?

 

[bg7brd]

That's a complete lie. Where were you at the beginning of the 2008 season?

He wasn't handed the reins. Whiz said he was the starter GOING INTO CAMP but the best QB would play. That's hardly handed the reins.

 

[Shane]

He wasn't handed the reins. Whiz said he was the starter GOING INTO CAMP but the best QB would play. That's hardly handed the reins.

He was named the starter for the 2008 season. That is being handed the reigns. He had to go out and lose the job. He did just that.

Word play won't change that fact.

 

[nashman]

Shane your full of it we all know that Leinart has not been handed the reigns to this team the way he will be if Warner retires! Competing with a HOF'er is hardly being handed the reigns. The offense will be changed, this imo is key as no one is Kurt Warner except KW. Most QB's would have trouble trying to run the offense the way Warner did, thats why it will be changed to an offense Whiz will design to be best for ML instead of trying to force him into a Warner offense. To say Matt has ever been handed the reigns under the current coaching staff is a flat out lie!

 

[CardLogic]

That's a complete lie. Where were you at the beginning of the 2008 season?

Leinart was named the starter for the 2007 season. Warner was named the starter for the 2008 season.

 

[Shane]

Shane your full of it we all know that Leinart has not been handed the reigns to this team the way he will be if Warner retires! Competing with a HOF'er is hardly being handed the reigns. The offense will be changed, this imo is key as no one is Kurt Warner except KW. Most QB's would have trouble trying to run the offense the way Warner did, thats why it will be changed to an offense Whiz will design to be best for ML instead of trying to force him into a Warner offense. To say Matt has ever been handed the reigns under the current coaching staff is a flat out lie!

There you go again making excuses. Now instead of saying he was never handed the reigns. Now he WAS handed the reigns but under a different situation. Will you please make up your mind?

You claim it doesn't count because he had Warner behind him who is a HOF QB? Where is the logic in that? Lets not forget that a good majority of this board was pissed off when Whiz named Warner the starter. Most of us (including me) considered Kurt's best years to be behind him and still wanted Matt to start even though he sucked in the pre season. Kurt wasn't considered the sure fire HOFer back then and was largely thought of as a washed up TO machine.

You say that as though Warner was thought of as he was the year after he won the SB when Matt WAS handed the Reigns.

 

[bg7brd]

He was named the starter for the 2008 season. That is being handed the reigns. He had to go out and lose the job. He did just that.

Word play won't change that fact.

What do you mean word play? That is the way WHiz said it. By the way, Leinart didn't lose the job, Warner won it.

 

[Shane]

What do you mean word play? That is the way WHiz said it. By the way, Leinart didn't lose the job, Warner won it.

Prime example of word play.

 

[conraddobler]

Matt is going to get one year as the main guy.

Then it's time to fish or cut bait.

 

[ajcardfan]

Leinart was handed the reins in 2007 because Warner was such a trainwreck in 2006. (Anyone else remember the fumbled snap, inside the twenty with less than a minute to go, that lost the Rams game? I couldn't have GIVEN away my Warner jersey the rest of that year.) 2007, Leinart gets hurt and Warner plays well the last half of the season and we wind up 8-8.

2008, Leinart is named first string, but it's clear there's a true competition (unlike the year before) because of how Warner finished in 2007. In my mind, that isn't being handed the reins. IMHO.

 

[cardsfanmd]

There you go again making excuses. Now instead of saying he was never handed the reigns. Now he WAS handed the reigns but under a different situation. Will you please make up your mind?

You claim it doesn't count because he had Warner behind him who is a HOF QB? Where is the logic in that? Lets not forget that a good majority of this board was pissed off when Whiz named Warner the starter. Most of us (including me) considered Kurt's best years to be behind him and still wanted Matt to start even though he sucked in the pre season. Kurt wasn't considered the sure fire HOFer back then and was largely thought of as a washed up TO machine.

You say that as though Warner was thought of as he was the year after he won the SB when Matt WAS handed the Reigns.

At least you admit this. I appreciate your honesty. I backed Kurt the entire time, while you guys laughed at me. Now I am backing Matt and the same people are laughing. This is a good sign

 

[bg7brd]

Prime example of word play.

You should know, you're the king of word play. You select only bits and pieces to make your argument. It's plain to see your dislike for Leinart and you never miss a chance to stick it to him. My point was that just because a hall of famer, playing at the top of his game, beat Leinart out for the starting job doesn't make him a bad QB. I'm willing to give him this season to prove himself before I throw him under the bus. You, on the other hand, can't pass up an opportunity to see how far you can you can jam him under there.

 

[Shane]

Leinart was handed the reins in 2007 because Warner was such a trainwreck in 2006. (Anyone else remember the fumbled snap, inside the twenty with less than a minute to go, that lost the Rams game? I couldn't have GIVEN away my Warner jersey the rest of that year.) 2007, Leinart gets hurt and Warner plays well the last half of the season and we wind up 8-8.

2008, Leinart is named first string, but it's clear there's a true competition (unlike the year before) because of how Warner finished in 2007. In my mind, that isn't being handed the reins. IMHO.

If you are named 1st string you are handed the reigns. You have to lose it. He clearly did in the Oakland game Going 4-12 with 3 Ints and 1 or 2 fumbles.

 

[PoolBoy]

If you are named 1st string you are handed the reigns. You have to lose it. He clearly did in the Oakland game Going 4-12 with 3 Ints and 1 or 2 fumbles.

handed the reigns is what sanchez got. once he won the job (easily) he could have TERRIBLE games and they would stick it out with him. having a bad game in PRESEASON and losing the job is not handed the reigns.