Reps reps reps reps reps reps reps (Leinart Thread)

[Perfectionist]

No no...its "I am totally out!"

Now give me $50,000,000 A$FN for correcting you

Ok!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Damn Skippy!!!!!!!!

I used to beef with you all day, but you've really been missed and I for one am ecstatic to see you back K-9. Well said.

+2.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Kent Somers reported it well. The Cardinal WRs don't have confidence in him, because he's so erratic. Ask Q.

This again?

Who threw the pass that left Q unconcious on Giants Stadium's field ?

If Q or any other WR is scared of catching any pass from any QB then it is time to get new WR's

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This is something I never thought I'd see from a Conrad post! (P&R reference)

+2

 

[RugbyMuffin]

cause people have never doubted the cardinals before, give me a break. who gives a crap what ESPN thinks.

I'm putting the over under at 2 weeks for a "im out for good" thread from Mitch assuming Warner retires. Those who pick the over/under right get 100,000 A$FN from me. the person who guesses the exact day correctly gets 50,000,000 A$FN!!!!!!!!!!

Unnessicary to say the least. There has been no instigating by him so I don't see where this is needed.

I respect Mitch's resolve. His opinion is his, and he is sticking to it.

I don't agree with it 100% but it is good to hear and read about both sides of the story.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

But seriously don't fret about the freaking 49ers. Lol Joe Montana isn't walking through that door.

Agreed.

 

[Shogun]

It has been said before that Leinart is the type of QB that thrives when he knows he's the guy, and it's looking a lot like that time has come (at least for 2010 anyway), so let's see what he can actually do. No shame in giving your lottery pick an opportunity to succeed.

And I just found my new sig.

 

[Pariah]

I think you are brutally wrong. Limited skills, very little leadership and NO heart.

Whiz is smart enough to know this.

Matt Leinart WILL NOT be the QB this year. Period.

If Whiz has been thinking this all along and is "smart enough" to refuse leinart his shot, why didn't he address the position sooner? Why didn't he bring in someone that was capable of starting last season? It's not as if it was out of the realm of possibility that Warner suffered a season ending injury. It's not as if it wasn't likely that Warner was going to retire after the season.

Whiz knew this day was coming. If he's thinking the thoughts you so adamantly attribute to him, why isn't he better prepared for it?

 

[PoolBoy]

Who's backing you on this? Or are changing this to real money?

no, i have a lot of A$FN, i just bet all of it on warner retiring, so...unfortunately i will have a TON of money to spend

 

[CaptTurbo]

Hey Mitch thought Warner was a useless backup and has the same opinion of Matt so we are in great shape!

 

[bg7brd]

If Whiz has been thinking this all along and is "smart enough" to refuse leinart his shot, why didn't he address the position sooner? Why didn't he bring in someone that was capable of starting last season? It's not as if it was out of the realm of possibility that Warner suffered a season ending injury. It's not as if it wasn't likely that Warner was going to retire after the season.

Whiz knew this day was coming. If he's thinking the thoughts you so adamantly attribute to him, why isn't he better prepared for it?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Whiz obviously has faith in Leinart because he wouldn't be caught with his "pants on the ground". That's for another coach in the NFC west

 

[Shane]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Whiz obviously has faith in Leinart because he wouldn't be caught with his "pants on the ground". That's for another coach in the NFC west

I love me some Whiz. But I certainly don't buy that line of thinking.

I'm betting that in Whiz's mind he had Warner for at least another year and that is what he was ultimately planning on. Sometimes there just isnt much you can do as a coach but hope. Personal decisions aren't something he can see coming. You can bet that the Warner camp was demanding a 2 year deal during negotiations. He was likely planning to stay at least as well. You can't foresight everything.

 

[bg7brd]

I love me some Whiz. But I certainly don't buy that line of thinking.

I'm betting that in Whiz's mind he had Warner for at least another year and that is what he was ultimately planning on. Sometimes there just isnt much you can do as a coach but hope. Personal decisions aren't something he can see coming. You can bet that the Warner camp was demanding a 2 year deal during negotiations. He was likely planning to stay at least as well. You can't foresight everything.

So you think Whiz runs his show on wishes and hopes? If Whiz didn't like Leinart he would have been gone after his first year here. He's known for a long time that this day was coming so if he wasn't comfortable with Leinart I'm sure he would be in a better position than having ZERO QB's going in to the off season.

 

[Shane]

So you think Whiz runs his show on wishes and hopes? If Whiz didn't like Leinart he would have been gone after his first year here. He's known for a long time that this day was coming so if he wasn't comfortable with Leinart I'm sure he would be in a better position than having ZERO QB's going in to the off season.

Tell me what you would have done or who you could have brought in that would:

A. Give you so much more confidence other than Matt.
B. Someone that is so good you have zero worries about it and you know wont raise any kind of stink about being the starter themselves.

Its no different than drafting a QB in the top 10 of the draft. You like the guy and may THINK he will be good. But in the end you just ultimately don't know. Thats pretty much what you have in Matt. Its a crap shoot. Whiz may have some level of confidence in Matt. But you can bet he doesn't have the level he had in Kurt and in the end he has no idea what he has or how he will turn out. You can also bet that he hoped Warner didn't retire. He all but said that at the end of the Saints game.

So yes coaches including Whiz have to run the ship on "hopes" and "wishes" nothing is guarantee. Most of all Matt.

 

[john h]

I totally understand those that don't think that Matt Leinart is going to replace Kurt Warner. I don't think that Matt Leinart is going to replace Kurt Warner, either. I don't think anyone except the upper echelon of NFL quarterbacks can replace Kurt Warner.

But I don't understand those who are already convinced that Matt Leinart is a bust as the 10th overall pick and the Cards oughtn't have any faith in Matt going into 2010. The cold fact of the matter is that the Cards aren't going to trade their first and third-round picks for Donnie McNabb or Kyle Orton, and Matt's a better option than all of the QBs that are going to be out on the free agent market. But there's hopes.

A quarterback is only as good as the reps that they're able to get. The fact of the matter is that while Matt has been in the league for four years, he hasn't gotten enough reps to have any understanding of his potential. He's shown flashes of being a steady starter in the NFL. And I think that he has the potential to be better than that. But it's going to take time.

None of us know what Matt is going to be or even if he is going to start. Chances are he will take the position by default if nothing else. He was a top college QB. Many questions remain about Matt which can only be answered on the field. We all have our own ideas based on what little we saw of him over the past couple of years. Everyone wants him to succeed. I think most of us want a plan "B" in place as we do not want the entire season to be spent on figuring out if Matt is the man or not. It will be very different for him as when you take the field as the man it is not like coming in for a quarter or playing one game because your starter is down.

One serious thing to give thought to is that from what I read Matt will be owed 11 million + in 2011. He is going to have to be "Super QB" to get that kind of money if my information is correct.

 

[john h]

Wow. Strong words Mitch.

thinking... thinking.. thinking... thinking...

okay, done thinking.

Gotta agree with K9. Although I don't think Leinart is Warner nor even Sanchez, he has shown something. What that something is, don't know. But I do believe he may have what it takes. He just may.

And about his arm...

I've often heard folks knock his lack of arm strength, but my eyes tell me his arm is plenty strong. Thoughts?

I do not think Matt is automatically the starter but from the fans perspective he is. Whiz has no plans to "rebuild". I think we will sign another FA QB as our plan "B" just in case. Matt will either make it this year or be history as we will not pay him the big bucks he will be due in 2011. We should have a lot of QB's who would like to come to AZ because of our 5 star receiver corps. Below are some available QB's:


1. Kyle Orton, Denver- He isn't a great QB by any means but he's a top free agent QB in the 2010 NFL off-season because he can manage a game and avoid the big mistake, plus he's still a young guy who can improve and fit in many different systems.

2. Chad Pennington, Miami- So many surgeries but still so many completed passes and wins suggest he might not be a guy to count out as a free agent QB in 2010. He can latch onto a good team and manage a game with the best of them but Miami is probably moving on with Chad Henne now.

3. Jason Campbell, Washington- Young guy with good physical tools who hasn't quite put it together with consistency. Campbell could still take off on the right team and is worth a look as Washington hasn't been the most functional NFL franchise recently and has played in such a tough division. A decent free agent QB.

4. Kellen Clemens, Jets- Mark Sanchez has the QB position locked up but Clemens has shown some promise in his short time as a starter. But he is worrisome as a free agent QB pickup because of the fact that he seemed to regress with more playing time as a starter at QB. Still worth a shot however in the free agent market.

Other top free agent QB's in the 2010 class of free agent QB's:

Charlie Batch of Pittsburgh, David Carr of the Giants, and Daunte Culpepper. of the Lions.

 

[kerouac9]

Tell me what you would have done or who you could have brought in that would:

A. Give you so much more confidence other than Matt.
B. Someone that is so good you have zero worries about it and you know wont raise any kind of stink about being the starter themselves.

Its no different than drafting a QB in the top 10 of the draft. You like the guy and may THINK he will be good. But in the end you just ultimately don't know. Thats pretty much what you have in Matt. Its a crap shoot. Whiz may have some level of confidence in Matt. But you can bet he doesn't have the level he had in Kurt and in the end he has no idea what he has or how he will turn out. You can also bet that he hoped Warner didn't retire. He all but said that at the end of the Saints game.

So yes coaches including Whiz have to run the ship on "hopes" and "wishes" nothing is guarantee. Most of all Matt.

Do you think that Whis has more confidence in Matt now than he had in Warner when he effectively turned the starting job over to him? That Kurt Warner was a mess who had fumbled away multiple games the year before and was clearly outperformed by a rookie who had shown little work ethic to that point.

 

[Shane]

Do you think that Whis has more confidence in Matt now than he had in Warner when he effectively turned the starting job over to him? That Kurt Warner was a mess who had fumbled away multiple games the year before and was clearly outperformed by a rookie who had shown little work ethic to that point.

No I don't think that.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I do not think Matt is automatically the starter but from the fans perspective he is. Whiz has no plans to "rebuild". I think we will sign another FA QB as our plan "B" just in case. Matt will either make it this year or be history as we will not pay him the big bucks he will be due in 2011. We should have a lot of QB's who would like to come to AZ because of our 5 star receiver corps. Below are some available QB's:


1. Kyle Orton, Denver- He isn't a great QB by any means but he's a top free agent QB in the 2010 NFL off-season because he can manage a game and avoid the big mistake, plus he's still a young guy who can improve and fit in many different systems.

2. Chad Pennington, Miami- So many surgeries but still so many completed passes and wins suggest he might not be a guy to count out as a free agent QB in 2010. He can latch onto a good team and manage a game with the best of them but Miami is probably moving on with Chad Henne now.

3. Jason Campbell, Washington- Young guy with good physical tools who hasn't quite put it together with consistency. Campbell could still take off on the right team and is worth a look as Washington hasn't been the most functional NFL franchise recently and has played in such a tough division. A decent free agent QB.

4. Kellen Clemens, Jets- Mark Sanchez has the QB position locked up but Clemens has shown some promise in his short time as a starter. But he is worrisome as a free agent QB pickup because of the fact that he seemed to regress with more playing time as a starter at QB. Still worth a shot however in the free agent market.

Other top free agent QB's in the 2010 class of free agent QB's:

Charlie Batch of Pittsburgh, David Carr of the Giants, and Daunte Culpepper. of the Lions.

WOW When you list those FA QB's....I have to say....LETS GO LEINART!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cards_Campos]

Do you think that Whis has more confidence in Matt now than he had in Warner when he effectively turned the starting job over to him? That Kurt Warner was a mess who had fumbled away multiple games the year before and was clearly outperformed by a rookie who had shown little work ethic to that point.

That kinda makes you wonder how much confidence he has in Matt! Just saying.

 

[chickenhead]

Clemens has basically had every opportunity to be the starter in NY. I don't blame him for losing out to Favre, but after emphatically losing out to Sanchez this year...I'd rather go in another direction. Batch wouldn't be a surprise. Carr is someone I always thought could use another chance. Daunte I don't want for no other reason than he was still doing that stupid rolling-up-the-yards motion in his mediocre comeback.

 

[Brian]

The only reason I'm all in for Leinart in 2010 is because I've seen this exact scenario played out before. So it can happen.

Two words: Aaron Rodgers.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

PTI

Just watched the show and all 4 reporters agreed that they would go after a vet like McNabb instead of handing the reins over to Matt. None of them liked Matt. They all gave the Cardinals positive feedback saying that we went to the SB and are on a 2 year run and should reload with a vet QB.

 

[CardLogic]

PTI

Just watched the show and all 4 reporters agreed that they would go after a vet like McNabb instead of handing the reins over to Matt. None of them liked Matt. They all gave the Cardinals positive feedback saying that we went to the SB and are on a 2 year run and should reload with a vet QB.

But then, what do they know...

 

[BullheadCardFan]

But then, what do they know...

True, but they usually bash us.